hispls 5,000+ posts
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Atomic still makes some nice drivers but they are not budget priced by a long shot.
Eminence does not build woofers cheap. Equivalent of TC9 would cost over 200$ per piece. Bear in mind they said that motor was a prototype so hopefully the retail model will at least be pretty. As far as spiders, cones, tinsels, surrounds, I'm not entirely sold on needing anything fancy for most applications. None of that is typically a weak link in and of itself that'll prevent a sub from functioning well or giving you a solid 10+ years of service. If you're trying to build a 1200W driver that sounds really good none of that fancy stuff is necessary.I can appreciate all that. Without a doubt that Chinese TC stuff had so many quality issues it was sickening. Glue problems, lead problems... worse than the ones found in the US production. Thilo should be ashamed.
Quality, consistency and service is most definitely worth a premium. And at that price point I would not only expect it, I would demand it. But the parts... My perspective on it is this - The truly great XBL stuff came out when parts were still pretty standard and that's just how it was. You had a great new motor bolted up to parts that were holding it back from reaching full potential. No harm in that, and it was the same for TC for quite a while. Those were good days and people were happy and having fun. TC used those same standard parts until the new tooling of their many baskets and spiders and surrounds. Nearly every motor they had experienced some benefit in performance other than the 2" coil stuff.
New Adire has a real chance at a strong comeback if they would price these new offerings at a much more competitive price just above comparable drivers with normal motors, and work on something that is really some next level shit for the company and the hobby as a whole. As in a true continuation of advancement for a brand that never should have died and would most certainly have pushed beyond those boundaries if they hadn't come full stop, and in a way that we would all expect from guys like Dan, Thilo, and Jacob. (Man, if they could all get along, imagine what that collaboration would give us!)
When I look at this newly released Adire product, all I see is something that looks like Eminence built it for them (I would almost put money on that guess). Mediocre black paint all over the basket and motor (except the Brahma motor which looks Chinese), cheap yellow spiders, nasty foam surrounds and plastic dust caps. Eminence will build something of pretty good quality for you at a very low price. Nothing that warrants the price the new Adire is attempting to charge in this day and age. I mean look at the aluminum cone dayton drivers that compare to the Shiva and Tempest, there's no way Adire is getting my money for those two drivers so long as the Dayton is available.
There's too much untapped potential in those XBL motors for even more stroke, while still maintaining a marked sensitivity advantage over other motor topologies. If Adire wants to be a leader in that price bracket they need to offer better baskets, larger spiders, great looking cones with rubber surrounds, and nicely machined motors that are proudly on display, not chromed or painted. Something that truly looks boutique and American made. It's the very reason I have amassed so many of the older, high quality TC drivers.
IMO there is little to be gained by more excursion at this point since you're almost always limited thermally. Standard 12 spoke frame works for almost all applications, TI or LA Storm frame give a bit extra which is still plenty. The cost of exotic spiders and custom tooled surrounds is absolutely not worth it when it only adds inefficiency for the sake of d!ck measuring. None of these super excursion meme woofers are any good nor will they ever be.
Tell me why you think you'd need another 10mm excursion on top of a Ti frame and I'll tell you why it's not the best way to accomplish your goals. If you're talking about playing sub 20hz and that's something people really "need" out of a small package perhaps it's time to revisit rotary transducers like the old PG ones.