Adding another gun to my collection

[nVRuckus 5,000+ posts]

Excellent post. That pretty much sums up this argument. Moving on now....


Did you read my earlier post about this regarding FL law? It answers everything you are guessing abuot now. It on the page 3 post #36.

Im not guessing about anything I have my license for quite awhile now. Im actually thinking about going for my instructor permit after I get my seller license. just didnt bother reading through the 6 pages of posts //content.invisioncic.com/y282845/emoticons/wink.gif.608e3ea05f1a9f98611af0861652f8fb.gif

 

[HitManSE 10+ year member]

Instructors can make some decent $ in a short period of time. I watched someone do a private class and he made like $800 in a few hours talking about what he likes & knows best & got to go shooting afterwards. Talk about getting paid to play //content.invisioncic.com/y282845/emoticons/biggrin.gif.d71a5d36fcbab170f2364c9f2e3946cb.gif

 

[mattf 5,000+ posts]

Excellent post. That pretty much sums up this argument. Moving on now....


Did you read my earlier post about this regarding FL law? It answers everything you are guessing abuot now. It on the page 3 post #36.

I missed that one.

If the gun is out of plane view it is concealed. Florida law states to transport a gun it must be and in an area that is not freely accessable i.e trunk, glovebox, etc. and you are not alowed to carry it unconcealed period even with a ccw.

I see. I was just wondering about those things cause they can vary from state to state.

 

[supraman1379 10+ year member]

Ruckus...I went to the local sherriffs office the other day and talked to them about it. They told me that if i can not conceal it on my body I could have it in the truck loaded. Just letting you know so that you do not have to go back through all the pages and read where I posted this earlier

 

[HitManSE 10+ year member]

Thats cool. Besides, shotguns are more acceptable then pistols and rifles for some reason, but whos to argue.

 

[CanadianDream 10+ year member]

Man, you are just not wanting to hear the point I am trying to make...I understand man...took me a long while to actually listen as well.

Let me turn it away from guns for a second...and say this.

I mean if I said to you, you are less likely to get in a car accident if you never drive a car. Would you be debating the point as much?

Probably not.

These are not "my" stats man - this is just the case. All these stats are per capita man...so sure an increase in incidents as lots of people have guns. But lots of people dont. So the probability is:

number of incidents in a home with a gun/number of homes with a gun

vs

number of incidents in a home without a gun/number of homes without a gun

So you end up with the probability TOTALLY independent of raw number of people or incidents. Its not magic man. Honestly man, why are supiscious of the stats? Not trying to be a jerk, just trying to understand what makes you not believe them.

The point is even when you factor out race, income, location etc. - having a gun at home makes it MORE likely you get injured by one. I don't understand why that is so difficult to believe. I mean without a gun at home, does it not make sense it is harder for injuries due to intentional violence OR accidents less likely? I mean, is it hard to believe if you have no access to a gun you are less likely to be injured by one?

The increase in proability of getting hurt is NOT mainly due to accidents, or robberies, etc. It IS DUE to intentional misuse of a firearm during heated arguments. Having firearms at home escalate the possibility of where these arguments leads dramatically. So all the "safety" training goes out the window when you are dealing with angry, jealous, etc. people. And this risk is >>>>>>>>>> then accidents, or robberies, etc.

Ofcourse with #'s into the millions the stats as you would call them are going to show more incidents. However what those stats do not show you are the fact that most everyone with any sort of common sense teaches their children about guns & what NOT to do should they ever come across one. Ive taken people as young as 13 shooting with hammered into their heads the 1st rule of keep you finger off the trigger. Period.

Those homes with incidents are most likley (99% of the time anyway) homes were nobody took the time to teach their children anything. Thats when accidents happen.

Its like with driving man, driving is more dangerous then carrying a firearm. So why in the world would you ever consider putting a child in a car? Yet alone let them drive alone when then get a license //content.invisioncic.com/y282845/emoticons/eek.gif.771b7a90cf45cabdc554ff1121c21c4a.gif Ever check those stats?

Not the mention the variables mixed into it as well, where with a gun, you just have to not to 1 thing and it will never fire. Dont squeeze the trigger.

 

[nVRuckus 5,000+ posts]

Ruckus...I went to the local sherriffs office the other day and talked to them about it. They told me that if i can not conceal it on my body I could have it in the truck loaded. Just letting you know so that you do not have to go back through all the pages and read where I posted this earlier

He should have also told you yeah it can be loaded as long as it is in yuor trunk or glove box. If he didnt he is setting you up for a fall cause another cop will not listen to "this officer told me" Im just telling you from actual case law how it is. Newst case law finds you can keep it in your center console if the console top is down and that came in 2 years ago. as part of our license condidtion we have to keep up on case law on concealing weapons thats the only reason I know so much on the subject. By no means trying to burst your bubble just looking out for ya cause I guarantee the cop could care less if you catch a felony.

 

[97cav 10+ year member]

OMG CanadianDream shut up and get out!!! Do you realize this entire thread was about someone being happy that they had purchased a gun. No one asked you to come in here and TRY to convince everyone that owning a gun is dangerous. The whole point of the thread was to share with us his ideas and see what we thought. If you dont like it go start your own thread about how "life is so dangerous" and that we should wrap ourselves in a bullet proof, seat belt installed bubble.

 

[HitManSE 10+ year member]

... I never said I dont think the stats are not true. Once again, factor in millions of households and ofcourse its going to show more incidents. Its not rocket science.

I however highly doubth those homes with accidents were of people who educated their childred, or whomever lives there not to mess with the firearms. Ive stated that already.

Im not going to keep on repeating myself. If you dont want to get a gun dont.

 

[supraman1379 10+ year member]

He should have also told you yeah it can be loaded as long as it is in yuor trunk or glove box. If he didnt he is setting you up for a fall cause another cop will not listen to "this officer told me" Im just telling you from actual case law how it is. Newst case law finds you can keep it in your center console if the console top is down and that came in 2 years ago. as part of our license condidtion we have to keep up on case law on concealing weapons thats the only reason I know so much on the subject. By no means trying to burst your bubble just looking out for ya cause I guarantee the cop could care less if you catch a felony.

Yea man I believe you about the law. I would keep this one behind my seat anyways. Maybe even find a way to secure it to the back of the speaker box.

 

[i like guns 10+ year member]

Man, you are just not wanting to hear the point I am trying to make...I understand man...took me a long while to actually listen as well.
Let me turn it away from guns for a second...and say this.

I mean if I said to you, you are less likely to get in a car accident if you never drive a car. Would you be debating the point as much?

Probably not.

These are not "my" stats man - this is just the case. All these stats are per capita man...so sure an increase in incidents as lots of people have guns. But lots of people dont. So the probability is:

number of incidents in a home with a gun/number of homes with a gun

vs

number of incidents in a home without a gun/number of homes without a gun

So you end up with the probability TOTALLY independent of raw number of people or incidents. Its not magic man. Honestly man, why are supiscious of the stats? Not trying to be a jerk, just trying to understand what makes you not believe them.

The point is even when you factor out race, income, location etc. - having a gun at home makes it MORE likely you get injured by one. I don't understand why that is so difficult to believe. I mean without a gun at home, does it not make sense it is harder for injuries due to intentional violence OR accidents less likely? I mean, is it hard to believe if you have no access to a gun you are less likely to be injured by one?

The increase in proability of getting hurt is NOT mainly due to accidents, or robberies, etc. It IS DUE to intentional misuse of a firearm during heated arguments. Having firearms at home escalate the possibility of where these arguments leads dramatically. So all the "safety" training goes out the window when you are dealing with angry, jealous, etc. people. And this risk is >>>>>>>>>> then accidents, or robberies, etc.

Firearm training and practice is everything. If everyone in this thread is as trained as I hope they are, then we will probaly never injure/kill ourselves with a firearm. I am trained, I am safe, and I am ready to fight back against a threat and survive. You are not. Discussion over.

Back to what this thread is supposed to be about.... Let us know if you have got your permit yet. I applied for mine on the 16th and they said it would be 10 business days. Hopefully Ill get it soon.

 

[mattf 5,000+ posts]

Speaking of new guns... here are the two I picked up on black friday. $79 each and they look brand new. The top was made in 1954 and the bottom in '48.

 

[CanadianDream 10+ year member]

Wrong man...hunted for years...still do. Trained, certified in far more then just gun safety and proper use. Has nothing to do with this... as I said gun safety and crimes of passion (the vast majority of gun related injuries) don't work well together.

I am trained, I am safe, and I am ready to fight back against a threat and survive. You are not.

 

[CanadianDream 10+ year member]

Again man... the factor of millions of households IS FACTORED IN.

This is the probability per person with guns at home OR per person without guns at home. The probability would not change if it was 1000, or 1,000,000 homes. So it is incidence (events)/people.

Once again, factor in millions of households and ofcourse its going to show more incidents. Its not rocket science.

 

[mattf 5,000+ posts]

Wrong man...hunted for years...still do. Trained, certified in far more then just gun safety and proper use. Has nothing to do with this... as I said gun safety and crimes of passion (the vast majority of gun related injuries) don't work well together.

Again man... the factor of millions of households IS FACTORED IN.
This is the probability per person with guns at home OR per person without guns at home. The probability would not change if it was 1000, or 1,000,000 homes. So it is incidence (events)/people.

If you want to discuss that, make a new thread and discuss it there. This thread is about buying a new gun.