Featured 2010 ford ranger, which door speakers???

[slater]

CDT's have a great rep from many years of hobbyist using them. The fact that they are doing as well as they are and that it was all done by word of mouth is a testament to the products quality.

You cannot EQ out sound signatures, characteristics, nor can you EQ out environmental aspects of the build. That's where DSP is beneficial. measuring a response in any environment is crucial to knowing where to start.

You have to see what you're hearing in order to address any anomalies, that is to get to the next level sound, with the Recoil or any other amp.

All the CDT's I've ever used have been decent, some exceptional in timbre and SQ. DSP is about the only way to tame nulls and peaks, EQ's don’t address that at all.

It's like using the treble/mid/bass adjustments on a head unit. You're not really addressing any issue unless you can see it.

Yeah, EQ isnt the answer...
Maybe im just spoiled as my tacoma is DSP'd, the Focal K2's, so sounds super clean...
So when I get in his truck, im critical....

Maybe I screwed up on the hd 62 selection & could have done better in the doors...
They have sooooo many options its overwhelming for the average individual that doesnt geek out on all the specs....
maybe a 6.5 woofer, a 3" mid, & one of their better tweeters...
they also have all sorts of unity drivers, Wideband drivers, etc....
Im clueless!!!

I dont mind throwing some 3 way Hertz Mille Pros at it, atleast it wont be Focal K2 money....
Also maybe im accustomed to the sound of a 3 way component system & to me that sounds cleaner...

As I said, doesnt sound bad but doesnt wow me....
Yeah, ar first I just wanted something for the kid to enjoy, now I really want to tweek it.....

After school my kid met me at the audio shop....
We listed to the Hertz Mille Pro 2 ways & they sounded really good...
I get that, the showroom isnt that same as his truck , but hands down they sound better...
Used the same deck, same EQ settings....

 

[Doxquzme Premium Member]

Yeah, EQ isnt the answer...
Maybe im just spoiled as my tacoma is DSP'd so sounds super clean...
So when I get in his truck, im critical....

I dont mind throwing some 3 way Hertz Mille Pros at it, atleast it wont be Focal K2 money....
Also maybe im accustomed to the sound of a 3 way component system & to me that sounds cleaner...

As I said, doesnt sound bad but doesnt wow me....

I'm not a fan of the Hertz Tetalon synthetic dome tweeters, they don't offend but they don;t inspire either. Now that said, if you can swing an extra $50 over the Hertz, load these into the shop cart and while they last, $450 for the set is a very good price, very good componanet set. Just save the crossovers for when you wnat to upgrade to the Accuton 3-way comps!

https://audiointensity.com/products/rainbow-gl-c6-3-3-way-6-5-3-20mm-component-set

And the power thing, for CDT, nah, the ones you got have a sensitivity ratingg of like 92db! And even if that is at 2.84v, likley it's still aroun 88 1w/1m.

One of the better CDT 3-way configurations I came up with, especially if you like your silks on the bright side, is this.

CDT Audio HD-M6

Depending on how low you are going with the mid section:

https://www.cdtaudio.com/cdtnew22/products/components/woofers/midwoofers/es4.php - OR - https://www.cdtaudio.com/cdtnew22/products/components/woofers/midwoofers/es03.php

And if you like the upper mids/vocals to be pronounced and the top end faily sharp for a silk:

CDT Audio ES-1200iS

- OR - a little more articulate, well balanced and excelalant spatial imaging: https://stevens.audio/blank/ols/products/sa1

The stevens is a fantastic tweeter, at three times the $99.00 a apir asking price, really. Chambered back, low fs of 640 hz, handels a true 150 watts RMS, really a very good tweeter.

Heard these recently, pretty outstanding too. Very good blending, seemless intergration with one another, quitge nice.

XQS653KIT 700W Peak (350W RMS) 6.5" X-Series 3-Way Component Speaker System with Carbon Fiber Cones and 30mm Silk Dome Tweeters

Product Details: 6-1/2" X Series 3-way Component Speakers Car Speakers Power Handling: Peak: 700 watts per set / 350 watts each side RMS: 350 watts per set / 175 watts each side 3.5" XQS3 Carbon Fiber Midrange drivers with Neodymium magnet 1-1/8" Silk Dome Tweeters with Neodymium magnet 3-way...

nvx.com

 

[slater]

Really appreciate everything you do Steve!!!
Got the amp today....
Need to chew on all this info...

 

[Old_Slapper]

If you're going with the DSP, I would go with the 3-way Hertz. That's the only way you will be able to take full advantage of DSP. Over the weekend, I went to a local car show and there was small group of cars running CDT speakers. They sounded like what you were describing. They were a little harsh. With the Hertz and amp, you might not need any other equipment.

 

[Jimi77 5,000+ posts]

3-way solves alot of car audio problems. Hertz & CDT are going to sound more laid back than Focals. Steven's makes good stuff. His HCLDs are awesome if you can fit them in the truck.

 

[slater]

If you're going with the DSP, I would go with the 3-way Hertz. That's the only way you will be able to take full advantage of DSP. Over the weekend, I went to a local car show and there was small group of cars running CDT speakers. They sounded like what you were describing. They were a little harsh. With the Hertz and amp, you might not need any other equipment.

Thats the plan....
Im going to do a 2 amp config,
dedicated sub amp,
dsp / amp
hertz mille pro 3 way, the kid has always loved how they sound.
Not like I have a ton of money in the recoil.
Its solid, has plenty of power, just want it clean...
vocals are just meh, with a 2 way to my ear.

 

[Jimi77 5,000+ posts]

If you're going active 3-way, you could just pick up a good midrange and save some $$$$.

 

[slater]

If you're going active 3-way, you could just pick up a good midrange and save some $$$$.

That would be responsible....

 

[slater]

Shits ordered & in route, looks like we'll have everything by Tuesday..
decided to go even bigger, stinger mt2000 will give the Hertz 10" MPS 250 4s 1500 watts...
Turn the gain down there will be some head room...
AudioControl d-6 1200 amp / dsp combo 6 x 125 watts @ 4ohm for the hertz Millie Pros..
Hopefully that will be sufficient power to make them loud enough & no slouch when needed, & still be clean.
Hertz Mille Pro 163.3 MPK 3 way components.
Some 1/0 gauge....

Really anxious to hear the outcome, see how it compares to my Focal K2's in my truck, in a real environment vs the showroom...
Kid seems to really like their sound & he heard them all...
To me they sound more on the rich full side, vs the brighter side of the Focal K2...
Guess the DSP can make them brighter if needed.

 

[Doxquzme Premium Member]

Shits ordered & in route, looks like we'll have everything by Tuesday..
decided to go even bigger, stinger mt2000 will give the Hertz 10" MPS 250 4s 1500 watts...
Turn the gain down there will be some head room...
AudioControl d-6 1200 amp / dsp combo 6 x 125 watts @ 4ohm for the hertz Millie Pros..
Hopefully that will be sufficient power to make them loud enough & no slouch when needed, & still be clean.
Hertz Mille Pro 163.3 MPK 3 way components.
Some 1/0 gauge....

Really anxious to hear the outcome, see how it compares to my Focal K2's in my truck, in a real environment vs the showroom...
Kid seems to really like their sound & he heard them all...
To me they sound more on the rich full side, vs the brighter side of the Focal K2...
Guess the DSP can make them brighter if needed.

Well, I would add, rather, I would state that no amount of tuning will ever make the Hertz sound anything like the Focals, Kevlar, or alloys, or vice versa, just an entirely different sound signature.

I think many confuse timbre and treble, which are not the same thing.

The Hertz are a bit more colored with respect to the mid to upper vocal ranges, and laid-back in their presentation, while the Focal K2's are going to image better and be a bit more treble forward, better at spacial imaging, more specifically; you simply cannot DSP that in or out of either, it's in their DNA so to speak.

What DSP will do for any tweeter is provide the ability to minimize the effects of that particular driver's breakup emphasis, which is important in and of itself, but you'll never get the Hertz to be as articulate.

The tip of a drumstick on a ride will be closer to tic-tic with the Focals, and tith-tith with Mili's, just the way it is. Some prefer that sound to the Focals; I'm kind of a snob for accuracy.

 

[slater]

good info as usual...

 

[slater]

My head hurts,
Not sure how much traction this question will get but dont think I should make another thread just for this.
Since im doing a stinger mt2000 running at 1500 watts along with the audio control d6 at 125x6...
Figured probably a good ide to throw an AGM in this 2010 ranger?
Factory application is a group59 battery.
Looking for an economical option has been challenging.
I find something & posts are on the wrong side.
Seems like most are just a fuzz to long, length wise.
I could grind the front lip off the battery tray which will give me some more room but doesnt resolve the issue of figuring out finding something.
I did find the xspower that will most likely work, theres some notes stating bending the lip...
But at probably $450 after tax & shipping...
Not sure if it will even benefit me much to justify that cost..
a bxt59 is what it calls for roughly 10" long,
they make a bxt65 in mag but thats 12" long, excessive.
Any other options?

https://4xspower.com/products/group-59-battery-package?rq=yr_2010__mk_ford__md_ranger__be_2-3

 

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[Doxquzme Premium Member]

An AGM is essentially a sealed lead-acid battery, and performance is slightly better than regular lead-acid batteries of equal spec. (not cost)

I would argue that for under-the-hood use, you may even find a larger, standard lead-acid battery that is the same price as a smaller AGM, as they generally cost less (sometimes much less) than their AGM counterparts.

Shelling out $450.00 for the XS power seems like a high-dollar investment, low return.

Lithiums that are approved to use under the hood are a better option, but cost a bit of coin. Dakota Lithium, XS power, Limitless, and a host of others, I'm sure, all make a couple that are approved for use under the hood.

If you're going to plunk down $450 for an AGM under the hood that works slightly better than the stock LA battery, then think about shelling out $500- $700 for something like LTO that is vastly supporior to either LA or AGM replacements.

You're kind of right on the cusp of where you need a 2nd battery, and in a small vehicle, not a lot of options there.

 

[slater]

Yeah, trying to keep cost reasonable as no idea if it will truly make a difference....
Some ranger battery trays will take a larger battery, this year wont...
I just tried a group 65, its ugly....
I get get it in the hole, but overlaps the tray....
& modifying wont hep any.

as far as I know a bxt65 is larger alternative to a bxt59 but longer 10" vs 12".....