12 xxx vs sundown x12?

[murph 10+ year member]

I just thought that if a sub has more throw you can displace more air and get more db? I don't know my woofers-that's why I didn't understand the post. The only ones I recognized off the top of my head was IA death row and 05 xxx. noob here

I didn't mean low bl btw I corrected that. More throw does displace more air but also allows the subwoofer to have the ability to play down lower. A longer throw will make the subwoofer more inefficient but typically all SQL subwoofers are very inefficient. All the subs I listed fit very well with what he wants if he want more sq oriented the Oz matrix elite, adire brahma or arc audio flatline will be the way to go.

 

[mrawesome]

Unfortunately I am not going to spend any decent amount of time answering these questions, but just know what I said is true. If you truly care enough to know why, you will do some research and will eventually be able to answer your own question.

kk I will

I didn't mean low bl btw I corrected that. More throw does displaceore air but also allows the subwoofer to have the ability to play down lower. A longer throw will make the subwoofer more inefficient but typically all SQL subwoofers are very inefficient. All the subs I listed fit very well with what he wants if he want more sq oriented the Oz matrix elite, adore brahma or arc audio flatline will be the way to go.

okay that makes sense. an spl sub would be more efficient and have higher volume w/ less power.

 

[murph 10+ year member]

kk I will
okay that makes sense. an spl sub would be more efficient and have higher volume w/ less power.

Spl subs are very inefficient too. Sq subs are really the only truly efficient subs out there. SQL subs are very inefficient because they ar trying to get the best of both worlds.

 

[mrawesome]

Spl subs are very inefficient too. Sq subs are really the only truly efficient subs out there. SQL subs are very inefficient because they ar trying to get the best of both worlds.

so the only things seperating spl and sql is the amount of throw and the cone mass(which affects fs)?

 

[C21H30O2]

Spl subs are very inefficient too. Sq subs are really the only truly efficient subs out there. SQL subs are very inefficient because they ar trying to get the best of both worlds.

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[murph 10+ year member]

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You are as smart as a tack if you are about to tell me spl subs are efficient. Heavy cones, huge motors (high bl), stiff af suspensions and 3-4inch 8 layer coils.

 

[murph 10+ year member]

so the only things seperating spl and sql is the amount of throw and the cone mass(which affects fs)?

Not at all. All of the factors other than motor force are basically different. Xmax or the throw of the woofer is usually high in both markets. Let's put it this way SQL is a lifted sports car and spl is a lifted cummins.

 

[C21H30O2]

You are as smart as a tack if you are about to tell me spl subs are efficient. Heavy cones, huge motors (high bl), stiff af suspensions and 3-4inch 8 layer coils.

That's exactly what I am saying. Why would a SPL purpose driver be inefficient? That makes no sense at all. Efficiency is power out for power in.

Why would it be built with a heavy cone? You want as light, and stiff as a cone as possible. High BL^2/Re and low Mms are your main priorities in designing an SPL driver. To handle an absurd amount of power, yes you probably will have multiple stiff spiders to control it, but this will not effect efficiency, only frequency response.

If I need to explain the aforementioned sentences then I would suggest you do a little bit more reading yourself //content.invisioncic.com/y282845/emoticons/wink.gif.608e3ea05f1a9f98611af0861652f8fb.gif

 

[murph 10+ year member]

That's exactly what I am saying. Why would a SPL purpose driver be inefficient? That makes no sense at all. Efficiency is power out for power in.
Why would it be built with a heavy cone? You want as light, and stiff as a cone as possible. High BL^2/Re and low Mms are your main priorities in designing an SPL driver. To handle an absurd amount of power, yes you probably will have multiple stiff spiders to control it, but this will not effect efficiency, only frequency response.

If I need to explain the aforementioned sentences then I would suggest you do a little bit more reading yourself //content.invisioncic.com/y282845/emoticons/wink.gif.608e3ea05f1a9f98611af0861652f8fb.gif

Who the hell are you? Spl subs are not efficient if they were people would not be running 12k amps to power their woofers. Spl woofers have heavy cones because only certain materials can handle that power. Yes some do use carbon fiber and such but that is not what is used on most. No high bl woofer will ever be concidered efficient. Why don't you go look up your info and get back to me.

 

[C21H30O2]

[quote name='murph']Who the hell are you? Spl subs are not efficient if they were people would not be running 12k amps to power their woofers. Spl woofers have heavy cones because only certain materials can handle that power. Yes some do use carbon fiber and such but that is not why is used on most. No high bl woofer will ever be concidered efficient. Why don't you go look up your info and get back to me.[/QUOTE]

Listen, to be completely honest I'm not going to sit here and spend hours explaining to you how subwoofers work. I browse forums for fun and like to throw in my two cents for posts that could use correction. I understand that you do not know me so you probably don't take my word so If you want an in depth explanation, perhaps @Electrodynamic or @sundownz can come post something.

 

[murph 10+ year member]

Listen, to be completely honest I'm not going to sit here and spend hours explaining to you how subwoofers work. I browse forums for fun and like to throw in my two cents for posts that could use correction. I understand that you do not know me so you probably don't take my word so If you want an in depth explanation, perhaps @sundownz or @Electrodynamic can come post something.

Yeah ok, don't forget to explain to me how you're f350 is more efficient than a prius.

 

[C21H30O2]

Yeah ok, don't forget to explain to me how you're f350 is more efficient than a prius.

Ok, let's just pick your post apart word by word. Let's start with this, "stiff af suspensions".

True or false, stiffness affects a drivers efficiency?

 

[MrFoca]

Yeah ok, don't forget to explain to me how you're f350 is more efficient than a prius.

LOL. The F350 is more efficient there bro.

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[murph 10+ year member]

LOL. The F350 is more efficient there bro.
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Hey genius I was talking about gas mileage. I could give a shit less how much my car pollutes the air.

 

[chaddyc 10+ year member]

These two subs were definitely not meant as SPL only subs. Fs, Mms and BL^2/Re is a good place to start looking as to why. If I were to select these drivers, it would be because I wanted a monster low frequency daily driver.

This. Heard good things on how low they get and great Sq. I live in Hawaii so shipping is murderous. I seen a few options that I can get local. I got 2000rms to push which ever sub I go with. Also seen a dd3515 local too. How would that compare to the other two subs?

Thanks