1000 watts in Class D and Class AB

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so keeping the same vehicle,same components,same subs,same song playing,just swapping out amps from class ab to class d, that is null and void totally also?
Just swapping amplifier DOES NOT make a test or comparison valid.

not even somewhat comparable?
Not for trying to determine if there is an audible difference in the amplifier classes.

is it fair to compare an a/b amp running 4 ohm mono to a class d amp at 1 ohm since this is how most,not all are ran?

What variables could be at play that could contribute a difference to the sound which is wholly unrelated to the class of the amplifier?

 
what about the "myths" that class d has less woofer control? wouldnt that be noticible on large speakers like subwoofers?
It's exactly that.....a myth.

I don't have time to answer all of your questions as I'm getting ready to walk out the door.

But think about this for a minute. I'm not saying that you didn't hear a difference when you went from Amp A to Amp B. What I am saying, is how did you isolate every variable in order to attribute the sound to the class of amplifier? How could it not have been a difference in power, or gain structure, or one of the other variables which we know affects the sound? How did you isolate the comparison so that the only variable was the amplifier class?

Did you know which amplifier you were listening to? If yes, then your comparison is completely invalid. It doesn't matter what else you did. If you knew which amp you were listening to, you're results are meaningless.

 
so if class a/b amps are: more expensive,lower efficient,physically larger,no better sounding, why are they built?
so are you saying its no more comparable than swapping out amps by brand vs class?
what about the "myths" that class d has less woofer control? wouldnt that be noticible on large speakers like subwoofers?
I guess its all coincidence that anything I have ran other than class a/b did not sound as good to me,not because I knew it wasnt a/b,because it just didnt.
^^^^please elaborate
There was no way to put all of that in a single post? Holy shit.

And yes, you are right, it is all coincidence. Or maybe, it might be any of the other million factors that attribute to how a woofer sounds rather then just the class of the amplifier.

 
Numerous experiments have been conducted that would prove exactly this....the audibility of amplifier "classes" (among other things). The test subjects have been everyone from amateur, to audiophile, to designer. And not one has passed the test. Not one has been able to identify an audible difference in amplifier class.
Intriguing...got a link to one of these tests?

 
In the first paragraph you attempt to draw a conclusion about a difference in sound between amplifier classes.
Then in the next paragraph, you openly state that the comparisons were not conducted in a way that would allow you to draw any kind of conclusion.

So why even state the first paragraph, when you later openly admit that it is flawed?
It is kind of tough to compare different setups in different vehicles and keep things consistent:confused: The one thing I have been looking for is a class d subwoofer amp that hits notes in the 30 to 45 Hz range with speed and precision, and thus far many of the systems I have heard just can't do it.

The differences you are hearing could very well be "real".....but you are incorrectly attributing to the class of the amplifier instead of the real cause of the difference (which is the result of known, measurable differences in things like power, gain structure, complete differences in setups, etc).
They are not, however, the result of the amplifier class.
I guess you didn't see my other thread where one of my installer friends invited me over to compare a Hifonics Brutus 1608D @ 2 ohms with a Lunar 2125 @ 2 ohms. The Lunar is rated to deliver 575 watts RMS at that load and the Hifonics topped out @ 800 watts RMS before major clipping occurred!

This test was conducted in a 2002 Tahoe, with a pair of phoenix gold 10" subwoofers in a properly ported enclosure off of a Pioneer DEH-800PRS HU and there was a clear difference on anything with speed and precision.

First, he played some DJ Unk... with the Lunar, then with the Hifonics. I was shrugging my shoulders saying I couldn't tell the difference. Other than the fact that I hate the new commercial rap garbage, the bass sounded the same to me with both amplifiers.

Next, he went back to the Lunar, and put in a Disturbed CD with some heavy double bass pumps. The Lunar hit every one of those double bass drum notes. On to the Hifonics, repeat the test... The double bass drum pumps just blended together and sounded like total ***.

Oddly, this has been consistent with 90% of the Class D subwoofer setups that I have heard over the past month. Rap bass or anything loose, no problem. Play something that requires speed and precision, and for some reason the Class D setups come up short. At first I was blaming it on the fact that many of the class d systems I heard were "budget" amps run @ 1 ohm. Next I blamed bass boost. It wasn't until I heard the Brutus versus the Lunar that I truly gained an appreciation for the difference since I was able to hear both amplifiers in the same vehicle.

Oddly, this all started out with asking my friend how the Hifonics XXV series was because I wanted to put a Colossus on my pair of dd1508s in my Civic. He said, and I quote "Class D is garbage" which is not something I expected from a 20 year old MECP certified installer. Then he invited me over to hear the difference in another friend's Tahoe that was at their shop. Sure, the PG 10s may not be the best BUT there has to be a reason why the Lunar performed WAY better than the Hifonics on those double bass drum pumps with the only difference being a change in amplifiers. In this case, maybe it is strictly budget amp versus quality amp....

 
I do not think Squeak is saying that you didn't hear a difference I think he is just pointing out the differences you hear are attributed to more than just the "class of amp". I have personally heard big differences in small adjustments in gain (not talking half turns on the knob) and also there is a BIG difference in the on board amplifier settings like the quality of the x over and any eq built in. Many amps I have seen had 4v and .2mv on either end of the gain setting and IF you tried to adjust it by ear and looking at where you THINK a round about setting for 2v should be you were WAY off and wasting alot of time making small adjustments when you were in fact a 1/4 turn away from where you should be LOL. Not saying this is you or your installer but MANY people I know and have "fixed" their set ups from sounding bad about half of their issues were not trying hard enough to make everything sound "right" before turning up the gains and flipping switches. I have heard Pyramid systems sound pretty good...and for the most part I do not consider their amps that great at all and I am not talking about Super Blue or American made "high end" Pyramid either. Most of how amplifiers get judged by is an accumulative effect.

 
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