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[Jimi77 Premium Member]

Now look directly at the logic of it. It the case was all bullshit, then Trump's lawyers (and he can afford MANY MORE and should-be BETTER lawyers than EJC did) should have destroyed any case that she had against him. Simply torn it apart.
Yet, they didn't. Why?
Were they paid off by EJC? Did Trump decide not to pay them, and they simply gave up while pretending to still fight? Did they realize that it was all real and simply couldn't defend him? Did Trump's own failure destroy their defense?

NY isn't going after every developer, but if a big developer makes it publicly known on a large scale that they perpetrated a financial crime against the banks and evaded taxes, do you think it it just gets ignored?
Wasn't it like 53,000 cases got referred in one year for small mortgage fraud (~$300,000 per case)?
Why should Trump be ignored, when his was in the HUNDREDS of millions?

I find it interesting that if someone is accused of something, and two people on a team of 26 who are investigating it have a relationship, then the case should be dropped against the accused, because the other 24 people are obviously out to "get" the accused.
That leaves a lot of doors open if you wanted to write a book "How to Commit Crime And Get Away With it".

I wonder if the shooter in that United Health Care case will just run for POTUS if he gets caught. Get-out-of-anything pass.


Hmmmm, WHO won the case?

The certainly found the most biased place for pool of biased jurors. They had to pass a new law just to get Trump. I'm pretty sure you'd be singing a different tune if such tactics were used to take down somebody on the left. If you can't see the obvious flaws in EJC as a person and this case, I can only assume you're unable/unwilling to set aside your bias. Do you think the law should have treated Hunter so harshly?

How a new law allowed E. Jean Carroll to seek justice against Trump years later

Survivors of ****** assault and advocates helped pass the Adult Survivors Act in New York that was instrumental to Carroll’s civil case.

19thnews.org

339 residential mortgage cases in 2016. You would think it would be easier to find this data, but this what I found in a quick search. Data indicates that .75% of loan apps contain fraud, I don't know how many millions of apps are filed per year, but it looks like a really really low priority if you're not Trump.

https://www.ussc.gov/sites/default/files/pdf/research-and-publications/quick-facts/Mortgage_Fraud_FY16.pdf

Trump didn't brag that he committed fraud. What he did is tell the American people that the system is rigged and he knows because he uses it to his advantage. Either you can acknowledge that in both Hunter's case and Trump's case, there never would have been cases if it weren't for who they are or you can remain in delulu land and keep trying to justify the Trump cases. It's that inability of the left to look back and acknowledge their mistakes that is pushing their own (former) advocates away and it makes the left completely foolish. If it's beyond you to admit that the Trump cases would never have been brought if he weren't a hated political figure. "They" certainly never invented any new laws to open Clinton up to defamation lawsuits for stuff that may or may not have happened decades ago.

And trying to convince anybody with more than 2 brain cells to rub together that Trump is out there raping women when he trades in his model wife every couple of decades and is banging **** stars on the side is a pretty tough sell.

 

[spokey9 5,000+ posts]

NY isn't going after every developer, but if a big developer makes it publicly known on a large scale that they perpetrated a financial crime against the banks and evaded taxes, do you think it it just gets ignored?

Every developer applying for a loan evaluates the collateral property to what they think the value is...and banks counter their evaluation and both sides decide whether or not to proceed. The case in NY fails the smell test when the judge and prosecution declared Mar a Lago is worth 10m...way smaller and less desirable properties around there sell on the open for well beyond that price tag...

 

[Buck 5,000+ posts]

I've listened to Alex Jones enough to know he's slinging shyt. I died May of 2022 from the jab - Alex Jones told me so. My kids are all kinds of f'd up from the jab - Alex Jones told me so. Alex Jones is one of the few people whose credibility is as low as Rachel Maddow's.

He did get that wrong, but I agree with his overall points about vaccines. Jones was actually saying what another doctor said, because I saw it too. But Jones has been correct about a lot. And he's been correct about things in the past that are now unfolding even more. There's always bad info or whatever that all news falls for sometimes. Not saying it makes it right, just keeping it real. Jones's overall point about globalism and medical tyranny and all that are absolutely correct. He like never gets credit for all he's right for, he gets brutalized by the establishment when he's wrong or opinions differ. Hillary Clinton hates Jones, all the right evil people hate Jones, and it's because he has their number. With that said, I don't trust Musk at all. I like some of what he's doing, but I fear he's a Trojan horse.

 

[Jimi77 Premium Member]

Was Rob trying to deny that people have flatlined and been brought back?

Buck (IIRC) has claimed to have flatlined and been brought back and Rob called that claim BS. Buck has some whacky ideas/beliefs. I think he deserves the benefit of the doubt on his personal medical experience.

 

[Jimi77 Premium Member]

He did get that wrong, but I agree with his overall points about vaccines. Jones was actually saying what another doctor said, because I saw it too. But Jones has been correct about a lot. And he's been correct about things in the past that are now unfolding even more. There's always bad info or whatever that all news falls for sometimes. Not saying it makes it right, just keeping it real. Jones's overall point about globalism and medical tyranny and all that odd absolutely correct. He like never gets credit for all he's right for, he gets brutalized by the establishment when he's wrong or opinions differ. Hillary Clinton hates Jones, all the right evil people hate Jones, and it's because he has their number. With that said, I don't trust Musk at all. I like some of what he's doing, but I fear he's a Trojan horse.

He's my problem(s) with Alex Jones. When he predicted my overdue demise, he didn't present it as "this doctor says..."; he claimed he had "documentation." He had his usual theater of the absurd with mounds of paperwork scattered all over his desk. Two, he's throws out a 1/2 dozen conspiracies a day and then claims credit when a fraction of a percent of them turn out to be true. Seriously, I think if you were to track his "right vs wrong" ratio, he'd be in the Rachel Maddow tier of "full of BS."

 

[Buck 5,000+ posts]

Buck (IIRC) has claimed to have flatlined and been brought back and Rob called that claim BS. Buck has some whacky ideas/beliefs. I think he deserves the benefit of the doubt on his personal medical experience.

I didn't claim to flatline, idk what exactly happened, I just know I remember being very sick for a specific reason that I very well know, blacking out when I added to the problem, dying at the end of blacking out and then told I was dead after I died when I got to where I went. Which was literally in outer space but I've got so many cans full of worms, can't open them all at once

He's my problem(s) with Alex Jones. When he predicted my overdue demise, he didn't present it as "this doctor says..."; he claimed he had "documentation." He had his usual theater of the absurd with mounds of paperwork scattered all over his desk. Two, he's throws out a 1/2 dozen conspiracies a day and then claims credit when a fraction of a percent of them turn out to be true. Seriously, I think if you were to track his "right vs wrong" ratio, he'd be in the Rachel Maddow tier of "full of BS."

I agree with the first/second sentence.

It's your opinion they are theories. A lot of what he talks about sounds crazy because people are ignorant to the powers of the world and what their stated plans are for humanity. Like I say, if you listen to Jones long enough, you learn what he's trying to say and how complicated it so really is, and he gets worked up about some things too much and acts like a gorilla on cocaine or something, and he has bias and gets stuff wrong, but he's still by far the best big news source out there with his show. I actually started listening to him after my NDE because of the path of what I learned and how that lead me to understanding about this world. That thing where I've had crazy powerful spiritual or extra dimensional experiences is what makes people like me and him and some others I've met in life how we are. We're connected deeply into reality in a way that's hard to understand unless you've been though it. This is just another life for me. I remember things I can't talk about, ancient things, subjects I can't talk about without making people act like they're circus performers from hearing it. There's an ancient war over the direction of humanity and all most people know is the one life. Most humans are stuck in this world and can't see nor know anything outside of it, and it's actually a big problem, but I'm sure I sound insane or something. The attempt of ai and the internet to merge with humanity is a bigger threat than most can possibly understand. Most people don't understand what they are or how life and death works on a more technical level of energy, like quantum physics, nuclear/particle physics and other dimensions, that type of science, so they don't even understand the threat.

 

[Jimi77 Premium Member]

Abortion being controlled on a federal level, vs a state level, is extremely arguable. Most people agree with abortion, but most agree as long as there is a term limit. Using it as a form of birth control was not the original reason for approving it. Allowing it to be controlled on a state level is more democratic because it allows individual groups to determine the law, and not the federal government. It's like having California make all the laws for the rest of the US. It's just not very democratic.

As for the Hunter Biden case, the right did nothing worse than the left using the courts to attack anyone who basically associated with Trump. This, you cannot deny. The right is also trying to use Hunter to expose any illegal dealings with Joe, the "Big Guy."

Roe v Wade established that there was a ~17 week Federal protection and that it was state issue after that. That's why I have an issue with overturning Roe v Wade; Roe v Wade was perfectly reasonable law. It's the extremist on both sides that are unreasonable. Overturning Roe v Wade has resulted in those extremist taking over the issue; now we have bans from day one in some states and in others if the baby is still in the womb, it can be terminated in the name of women's health.

 

[Jimi77 Premium Member]

I didn't claim to flatline, idk what exactly happened, I just know I remember being very sick for a specific reason that I very well know, blacking out when I added to the problem, dying at the end of blacking out and then told I was dead after I died when I got to where I went. Which was literally in outer space but I've got so many cans full of worms, can't open them all at once

Died, flatlined - I think we're splitting hairs and since I wasn't there, I'll go with your version of events since it's the only version.

I agree with the first/second sentence.

It's your opinion they are theories. A lot of what he talks about sounds crazy because people are ignorant to the powers of the world and what their stated plans are for humanity. Like I say, if you listen to Jones long enough, you learn what he's trying to say and how complicated it so really is, and he gets worked up about some things too much and acts like a gorilla on cocaine or something, and he has bias and gets stuff wrong, but he's still by far the best big news source out there with his show. I actually started listening to him after my NDE because of the path of what I learned and how that lead me to understanding about this world. That thing where I've had crazy powerful spiritual or extra dimensional experiences is what makes people like me and him and some others I've met in life how we are. We're connected deeply into reality in a way that's hard to understand unless you've been though it. This is just another life for me. I remember things I can't talk about, ancient things, subjects I can't talk about without making people act like they're circus performers from hearing it. There's an ancient war over the direction of humanity and all most people know is the one life. Most humans are stuck in this world and can't see nor know anything outside of it, and it's actually a big problem, but I'm sure I sound insane or something. The attempt of ai and the internet to merge with humanity is a bigger threat than most can possibly understand. Most people don't understand what they are or how life and death works on a more technical level of energy, like quantum physics, nuclear/particle physics and other dimensions, that type of science, so they don't even understand the threat.

There may or may not be an ancient global conspiracy to f' humanity. I'm siding with Dr Kate Dibiasky: "the truth is way more depressing. They are not even smart enough to be as evil as you're giving them credit for."

 

[spokey9 5,000+ posts]

Roe v Wade was perfectly reasonable law

Considering courts aren't empowered to create law and "case law" is easily overturned...why wasn't the fundamentals of that decision drafted into law by congress. I know it's been a wedge issue since '73 and the opportunity to pass any law has been there for 50 years. The failure is on the legislators.

Even Ginsberg who was an advocate for abortion rights thought roe was decided on a flawed premise.

Even RBG thought Roe v. Wade went too far. We should learn from her incremental approach.

Ruth Bader Ginsburg thought the ruling in Roe v. Wade was correct but too sweeping.

www.americamagazine.org

 

[Old_Slapper]

Roe v Wade established that there was a ~17 week Federal protection and that it was state issue after that. That's why I have an issue with overturning Roe v Wade; Roe v Wade was perfectly reasonable law. It's the extremist on both sides that are unreasonable. Overturning Roe v Wade has resulted in those extremist taking over the issue; now we have bans from day one in some states and in others if the baby is still in the womb, it can be terminated in the name of women's health.

Yes, unfortunately there are extremist of both sides. Personally, I believe in abortion if there is a medical issue and it was due to ****. The fact that people are now using it as a form of birth control is extremely disheartening.

 

[Jimi77 Premium Member]

Every developer applying for a loan evaluates the collateral property to what they think the value is...and banks counter their evaluation and both sides decide whether or not to proceed. The case in NY fails the smell test when the judge and prosecution declared Mar a Lago is worth 10m...way smaller and less desirable properties around there sell on the open for well beyond that price tag...

Agreed. I was in the mortgage biz for over a decade, the final valuation for a property always fell on the lender. If these big commercial banks are lending money to developers based on developer's valuation, we'd have a RE implosion that will make the 2008 crash look like kid's play. If "they" are worried about tariffs hurting the economy, this developer's determining the value of their properties should have them scared sh!tless.

 

[Jimi77 Premium Member]

Yes, unfortunately there are extremist of both sides. Personally, I believe in abortion if there is a medical issue and it was due to ****. The fact that people are now using it as a form of birth control is extremely disheartening.

I'm not a fan of it being used as a form of BC, especially when there is a million other forms of BC. I'm totally okay with abortion in the case of risk to the mother, ****, ******, etc. That said I'm not a fan of inserting myself or the gov't into other people's lives. I think Roe v Wade did an excellent job of walking that line and finding a reasonable middle ground.

 

[Jimi77 Premium Member]

Again with the false accusations. ******? Show me the proof. Pathological liar? Biden has a lot more blatant lies flying around to try and get votes. Racist? Pre presidential runs, he's been seen with a lot more ethnics than Biden, who has made more racist comments than Trump.

Then again, you already know all of this, so you're just going to throw a "Squirl" out there to divert the attention on what I just said.

Gotta stand up for Biden again. Can we really hold him accountable for anything he said in the last ~3-4 years? He literally didn't know his left from right at times. I actually feel bad for the guy. IMHO, he had an admirable record until his term as POTUS. His decades of services got tarnished in a few short years and I'm pretty sure Biden didn't even know what was happening.

 

[spokey9 5,000+ posts]

Gotta stand up for Biden again. Can we really hold him accountable for anything he said in the last ~3-4 years?

Biden has pretty much lied since entering the government unless you think the corn pop story is true or that he graduated in the top of his class

Not saying other politicians haven't but a spade is a spade

 

[Old_Slapper]

I'm not a fan of it being used as a form of BC, especially when there is a million other forms of BC. I'm totally okay with abortion in the case of risk to the mother, ****, ******, etc. That said I'm not a fan of inserting myself or the gov't into other people's lives. I think Roe v Wade did an excellent job of walking that line and finding a reasonable middle ground.

This is where I think having it at a state level is best. Each of the extremes can have it their way. This is where they need present the law they wish their state to have, and vote on it. States already for people into lifestyles that some love and some hate. If you don't like it, you can move. On a federal level, it's not so easy to escape it. Some people just flat out get sick thinking of someone having an abortion, and some people barely care if the baby is aborted even after birth. The only even ground there is, is to let the states decide.