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[ThxOne Premium Member]

Where's the rock that you speak of? He tripped. Just like the article you posted says. He could've stayed there. Who was chasing him after the second killing? Why didn't he use his first aid kit on Rosenbaum? I thought he was there to provide medical help? Why did he call his friend and not the police? Why didn't he get on his knees and surrender to the police? How many bad decisions can one kid make in one night?

That is a lot of questions. Why don't you tell us the answers you are looking for because any answers we give will be wrong in your mind. So please, tell us the answers you are looking for.

 

[Bobbytwonames 5,000+ posts]

There's a certain amount of information you're required to provide police...past that bare minimum...I don't talk...not during a traffic stop or an accident...I just exercise my rights

Ok tough guy. You don't tell the police how the wreck happened? You just hand over your license and insurance and act like you're mute and can't talk? I highly doubt that. That's an easy way to get arrested. You do you kid.

 

[ThxOne Premium Member]

Ok tough guy. You don't tell the police how the wreck happened? You just hand over your license and insurance and act like you're mute and can't talk? I highly doubt that. That's an easy way to get arrested. You do you kid.

Wow, I bet you are a real obedient little boy aren't you. The police aren't there to argue a case. Why would you give them information that could incriminate you in court???? The police are there to enforce the law and write reports that can be used legally. You give them your insurance, DL and registration. Past that, stfu and call your lawyer.

 

[spokey9 5,000+ posts]

Ok tough guy. You don't tell the police how the wreck happened? You just hand over your license and insurance and act like you're mute and can't talk? I highly doubt that. That's an easy way to get arrested. You do you kid.

I hand over my information and when the first question comes I invoke the 5th...it's my right...that way I can have an attorney present for questioning...remember anything you say can and will be used against...I don't see why you calling me a tough guy...I ain't telling you to do anything...I'm just using my rights appropriately...

 

[spokey9 5,000+ posts]

And honestly if the police quit using "fishing" at minor stops as a primary investigation method...I wouldn't need to invoke...

 

[Bobbytwonames 5,000+ posts]

lol at you people who are still but hurt over Kyle Rittenhouse hahahaha

Lol at people who comment and add nothing.

 

[Bobbytwonames 5,000+ posts]

Don't flatter yourself. You are trying to say what Kyle should have done then brought up your own crime as a comparison stating that you turned yourself in.

My point is, your petty crime isn't the same as shooting 3 people so the consequences aren't the same. So you can't say he should do something because you turned yourself in... for whatever it was you claim to have done. Peeping? Exposure? Who knows.

The severity of the crime doesn't matter. Honesty does. If he didn't commit a crime then why not turn yourself in?

 

[Bobbytwonames 5,000+ posts]

That is a lot of questions. Why don't you tell us the answers you are looking for because any answers we give will be wrong in your mind. So please, tell us the answers you are looking for.

He said that Rittenhouse was tripped by a rock. I asked for proof and nothing.

 

[Bobbytwonames 5,000+ posts]

I hand over my information and when the first question comes I invoke the 5th...it's my right...that way I can have an attorney present for questioning...remember anything you say can and will be used against...I don't see why you calling me a tough guy...I ain't telling you to do anything...I'm just using my rights appropriately...

Can and might be used against you. If I say it wasn't my fault are the cops going to use that against me in court? You want to act like you are a tough guy when cops approach you. Just be respectful and move on with your day. I can already hear you, "arrest me or leave me alone." Tough guy act. Probably filming the whole thing.

 

[spokey9 5,000+ posts]

Can and might be used against you. If I say it wasn't my fault are the cops going to use that against me in court? You want to act like you are a tough guy when cops approach you. Just be respectful and move on with your day. I can already hear you, "arrest me or leave me alone." Tough guy act. Probably filming the whole thing.

Who said I wasn't respectful...and I'm not trying to be a tough guy...you just mad cause I exercise my rights?...or because I can afford an attorney if I need one?

 

[RobGMN Premium Member]

Cool story. Didn't take long for you to use one of your more popular phrases, the backpedal.

It was known the police would be light FOR THE RIOTS THAT KYLE WAS AT WHEN THE SHOOTING HAPPENED. I know, it's hard for you to follow along.

Hey Rob, what is your favorite topic to have a conversation about?

“It was known the police would be light”?
Who “knew” this information, and how does the addition of HUNDREDS of officers and HUNDREDS of National Guard constitute “light”?
What is the criteria? Is it “light” if there is only one for every citizen? One for every ten? Twenty?

Who “knew”, how did they “know”, and how did they judge?

 

[Jimi77 Premium Member]

You might want to explain that to Thxone. He's of an entirely different excuse structure.
But now to YOURS: What proof was there of this "do not stop riots rule" that Kyle could have known about?
How did #defundthepolice trickle down in two months to what the police were doing on the street?
How did Kyle know about this trickle down in order to determine his presence was "needed"?

If anything, it seems the police presence was kicked UP: https://spectrumnews1.com/wi/milwau...scaled-up-law-enforcement-presence-in-kenosha
National Guard being sent in: https://www.washingtonpost.com/nati...bb06f6-4ee9-11eb-bda4-615aaefd0555_story.html

Gov. Evers Deploys National Guard to Kenosha Ahead of Kyle Rittenhouse Trial Decision

Hundreds of Wisconsin National Guard troops have been activated in preparation for a possible verdict next week in the Kenosha murder trial of Kyle Rittenhouse, according to Gov. Tony Evers’ office.

www.nbcchicago.com

All you had to do was turn on your TV to see the "don't engage rioters rule" in effect throughout the country in several major cities. Hell in Portland and Seattle they set up "no police zones."

Where were the water cannons, riot lines, etc? People may not approve, but if I see a riot, I expect to see police out with their shields cracking heads, pepper spraying mofos and hauling people off to jail. IOW suppress the riot. I posted video of the assault on Rittenhouse and subsequent shooting - maybe 200 yards from the police line. Did the police attempt to stop the assault or arrest the people assaulting Kyle or Kyle the shooter - no, no and no. Clearly the police were operating under some sort of "do not engage" mandate. What use is a curfew if nobody enforces it? What use is the National Guard if they aren't put into action. Ironically what ended up quelling the riots is the Rittenhouse shooting. I guess the rioters decided it wasn't worth getting shot over.

 

[Jimi77 Premium Member]

Thats not a lie...that's an opinion based on what police were facing in the months leading up to Kenosha and Rittenhouse's own statements why he was there...both of which are facts...so I guess a fact based opinion

Try again buddy

Clearly not lies. We cannot know exactly what was going in Kyle's head, his own testimony/interviews may have been lies. We can only look at the facts we do have and draw reasonable conclusions. Given the fact that Kyle wasn't the only one who thought it was time to arm themselves and "defend the city" I'd say there was probably some common denominator, like the effects of the anti-police rhetoric coming from the left. Claims of systemic racism, etc.

 

[Jimi77 Premium Member]

You are hung up on this whole idea of "new". Nothing "new" has to happen for case or decision to be used as a precedent in future cases.
It simply means precedent "requires courts to apply the law in the same manner to cases with the same facts."

But since you seem to want "new", how many previous cases have there been of a 17 y.o. traveling out of his home state, uninvited, to a neighboring state in order to play cop during a riot, and shooting and killing two unarmed men, and shooting an maiming an armed man?
Seems to be a rather unique situation to me.

Do you know of any very similar ones?

The prosecution tried to throw that red herring into the argument. This case wasn't about what state Kyle was from. Since when do you need an invitation to go neighboring state in the US? To correct the record, Kyle shot 2 armed men and one unarmed man who threatened to kill him.

I'm sure there are plenty of cases of armed folks attempting to retreat from their attackers and having to shoot them instead. I'd guess it happens daily in the US, probably doesn't even make it to court most the time.

 

[RobGMN Premium Member]

Clearly not lies. We cannot know exactly what was going in Kyle's head, his own testimony/interviews may have been lies. We can only look at the facts we do have and draw reasonable conclusions. Given the fact that Kyle wasn't the only one who thought it was time to arm themselves and "defend the city" I'd say there was probably some common denominator, like the effects of the anti-police rhetoric coming from the left. Claims of systemic racism, etc.

This is interesting and will be fully supported by the same people here who argue that there was no common denominator (Trump) for the Jan 6th insurrection. That was merely a peaceful gathering (“just people in hats, waving flags” was one description) and some people taking a “tour” of the building.

Interesting how their rhetoric changes depending on who they want to support.