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[Clifff150 10+ year member]

And, Trump is right there trying to push this vaccine through. Probably hoping it will be available about a week before the election. What a dick move to tell Huckaby Sanders to go to North Korea and bang Kim Jong Un. Just more misogyny on his part. View attachment 23392

It was a freaking joke.

 

[ThxOne Premium Member]

Well at this point one would hope that smart voters have opened their eyes to all the BS on BOTH sides and will vote for the least poisonous person.

Let me say this for you all:

While the Democrats are doing whatever they can to smear Trump because they want to be back in the White House so bad, that is all they can focus on, Trump is responding to all of the smearing in hopes of being reelected but he is doing all that in addition to all the responsibilities of running the country. He is interacting with the rest of the world while this group is poking at him with needles and encouraging domestic terrorist to run wild in the streets in these Democratic cities and then turn around and blame Trump for it. We then have Pelosi denying aid for Americans out of spite while she plays the entitled old rich white woman roll of keep the lower class off the streets so she has free rein to carry on with what she wants to do without having to interact with people she deems to be beneath her.

You couldn't pay me to vote for the current Democratic party.

 

[audioholic 5,000+ posts]

I believe the DNC has a good chance of breaking apart after the election in November no matter who wins. If Trump wins, I think the excuses for the young pro-socialism millennials to leave the party (or try to take it over) are obvious. But even if Biden wins, he and the older liberals like Pelosi and Schumer have no intentions of keep the promises they have made to the radicals in their party this election cycle.

Biden isn't going to disband the police and replace them with roaming bands of arms private citizens. Biden isn't going to pay out trillions of dollars in "reparations" (more like zero dollars). Biden isn't going to open the borders. He's not going to find a way to create, pay for, and get support for universal healthcare. He isn't going to satisfy the demands of BLM or ANTIFA supporters, and they certainly haven't shown a propensity for patience when their demands aren't met.

The left packing our education system with politically driven people to indoctrinate their students has created a monster they cannot control... communists.

 

[Lasherž]

Well that kinda blew up since I last checked it lol...

Isn’t the economic downfall going to cost more lives than the actual virus?

The virus affects the economy more than a temporary shutdown believe it or not. Killing off part of the labor force is a short term benefit stiffling growth for a much longer time, ultimately being far worse in 10 years time. There's economics in death, not just closings.

In 100 degree heat I’m pretty sure the virus doesn’t survive and there’s scientific evidence it is killed in sunlight instantly.

Not surviving and dying instantly isn't the same thing and I've already established that the most intense sunlight ever is like 3 minutes to the first 'half-life'. In terms of it no longer being a viable virus it depends on the means of transmission to the surface (amount of virus particles), the time of day, the weather, the location on earth, etc. It's possible to get infected with a single virus particle, so that effectively means sunlight would take a very long time to truly kill it off. The UV of the sun isn't enough to vaporize it as thoroughly as you'd get from a commercial UV sanitizing lamp. It's effective, but nowhere near instant. Read more from the first result on google.

How Fast Does Sunlight Kill Coronavirus?

Natural sunlight rapidly inactivates SARS-CoV-2 coronavirus on surfaces

www.coronavirustoday.com

I'm curious what your data is.

From what I’ve read about reinfection is that scientists still aren’t convinced and early evidence shows if it’s true, it’s very rare to have severe issues.

Because the evidence is so hard to come by. There's reason to be worried it could be the case, but the entire scientific community is hedging their bets before giving us bad news. They have to be sure as always. They need hundreds of examples and we've only got a few right now. It's hard to find people who definitely cleared the virus from their system, where they knew the exact strain of the virus, and then test again for the same strain. They also have to be symptomatic on their second infection so they know to consult the researchers.

You are very confident in your opinions about a topic whose statistics, and opinions from 'experts' changes monthly and weekly. With the recent release of the video of Pelosi herself not abiding by the salon closure, and not wearing a mask while doing so, and then blaming the salon owner for "setting her up"... I find it naive for someone to suggest covid has NOT been highly politicized.

Pelosi's not an expert. Trust me I'm not watching politicians for my news lmao. I don't really care about that story, sorry. It's nowhere near as bad of a look as when she was showing off her ice cream collection, so who cares? She's already done her part in the house to pass relief so she can do whatever the **** she wants to do imo. I still hope she gets replaced by Shahid Buttar, but she won't. I also never said it wasn't high politicized... It obviously is, but those who are politicizing it away from the scientific community's advice are idiots. If you want to say some politicians are doing things wrong according to the data then by all means, that's not really political as much as it is common sense and wanting the best outcome for the country. If instead you say the scientific community is less trustworthy than a politician or fringe quack doctor you're a) a moron, and b) shooting yourself in the foot.

It’s not about me being heartless. It’s about being realistic. Pandemics are a part of life. We have all been lucky that nothing like this has happened in what, 100 years? You understand shutting down the economy is going to cost way more lives than this virus right? How many people are going broke because they can’t work and losing everything? I’m very fortunate to have a job and a steady paycheck to support my family.

The way I said it being nothing was a poor choice of words. I didn’t mean it as if the people dying don’t matter. I’m meaning big picture, the number isn’t all that big compared to the amount of people here. Especially when you factor in 94% of the people have underlying conditions. I know not all underlying conditions are the fault of the person but there are a lot that are self inflicted.

Basically already responded to this above but w/e. The economy will be more damaged by people dying than businesses dying. That's just the reality of it. When people die the labor force is weaker, debts are forgiven, families have less support, and poverty reaches them that way. If you want to prevent the damage then relief bills and preventing deaths are both important, but I'd say lives are more important to families than money, but either way they lose the money. Do you think these people can afford funerals? How about hospital stays? The average cost of a funeral alone is crippling to people living paycheck to paycheck. According to a 2019 study it was 4 in 5 people. I doubt it's gotten any better since they started pulling hours.

From Google: "One of the things we often underestimate, however, is what it costs to die in the United States. The National Bureau of Economic Research indicates the average out-of-pocket cost for end-of-life obligations is $11,618 in the last year of life, but those expenditures can come from a variety of sources."

That’s what I’m saying. People are upset he didn’t shut everything down which is stupid because even if he wanted to, he couldn’t.

I don't think he has the power to shut everything down, but he does have the power to be a leader and direct states, businesses, citizens, and his own departments to do what's right rather than decisions based on pseudoscience. I think his persecution complex has spread to his supporters and now they can't see the forest through the trees.

 

[Lasherž]

For someone who seems to worship "science" it doesn't seem like you understand how it's meant to work. True science isn't a democracy or popularity contest, it must follow the scientific method.

I don't know what you mean. What hasn't followed the scientific method so far about all of this data? The 4 cases of reinfection? Obviously they need more data to be confident that these aren't flukes, but the scientific method is being followed by the cases the researchers have found so far so I don't know what your point is.

Too late. People are making COVID political everyday. Especially the politicians.

It's hard for people to look past a 9/11 level of deaths every 3 days, we declared a war over far less and it has cost us about 6.4 trillion dollars. Apparently we're more willing to give money to millitary contractors, active duty soldiers, and arms manufacturers than our own people with record unemployment and homelessness rates.

It was a freaking joke.

To be fair, that's a pretty stupid joke to make about a woman who works for you. Any of us would be fired for saying that in front of the wrong person unless you work for a misogynist yourself.

Well at this point one would hope that smart voters have opened their eyes to all the BS on BOTH sides and will vote for the least poisonous person.

Let me say this for you all:

While the Democrats are doing whatever they can to smear Trump because they want to be back in the White House so bad, that is all they can focus on, Trump is responding to all of the smearing in hopes of being reelected but he is doing all that in addition to all the responsibilities of running the country. He is interacting with the rest of the world while this group is poking at him with needles and encouraging domestic terrorist to run wild in the streets in these Democratic cities and then turn around and blame Trump for it. We then have Pelosi denying aid for Americans out of spite while she plays the entitled old rich white woman roll of keep the lower class off the streets so she has free rein to carry on with what she wants to do without having to interact with people she deems to be beneath her.

You couldn't pay me to vote for the current Democratic party.

Whatever helps you sleep at night dude. Pelosi isn't denying aid, you're just misinformed. That falls squarely on McConnell. There's a bill on his desk in fact. I hate the woman but she's not the turd clogging up the works on this one. Rand Paul was grandstanding about being yelled at on the street in the capital just one week ago like it was the worst thing that ever happened to him. I would encourage you not to look to Pelosi or Paul for moral guidance, and certainly not Trump.

I believe the DNC has a good chance of breaking apart after the election in November no matter who wins. If Trump wins, I think the excuses for the young pro-socialism millennials to leave the party (or try to take it over) are obvious. But even if Biden wins, he and the older liberals like Pelosi and Schumer have no intentions of keep the promises they have made to the radicals in their party this election cycle.

I think it's only likely to split if Biden wins. Speaking as one of those young lefties who cares about other people, the people's party is only a good idea in so far as it exists in the democratic primary process and not outside of it. The libertarians have made that mistake and I'm sure college kids are smart enough to acknowledge the split in the vote isn't beneficial to anyone except Republicans. If Biden wins they have more power to affect positive change, since Democrats will be attacked from both sides and they'll need their majorities if they can maintain/obtain them. They haven't made any promises, so I don't think we have to worry about that. Trump's campaign keeps saying that Bernie put all of his socialist ideas into Bidens campaign and that's just completely false. Biden has made two concessions so far, one is lowering the medicare age to 55 (which he then retracted via the DNC to 60), and the other is supporting the green new deal which was part of the Green party's legislation in the 80s, so establishment Democrat folks apparently take 40 years to come to grips with reality and we're still counting for Republicans.

Progressives are very aware that they're going to be fighting the Biden administration probably even harder than they fight the Trump administration and that's completely fine by me. They need to draw a divide between democrats who support donors over constituents and progressives who use grass root funding which means they're beholden to only their supporters, at least theoretically pending corruption. Progressives are on their candidates like stink on shit though on policies we care about, more so than any other party except maybe libertarians when it comes to gun rights.

Also by radical you mean center-left in any other 1st world western nation. Bernie's a compromise on socialism compared to most of Scandinavia.

Biden isn't going to disband the police and replace them with roaming bands of arms private citizens. Biden isn't going to pay out trillions of dollars in "reparations" (more like zero dollars). Biden isn't going to open the borders. He's not going to find a way to create, pay for, and get support for universal healthcare. He isn't going to satisfy the demands of BLM or ANTIFA supporters, and they certainly haven't shown a propensity for patience when their demands aren't met.

He never said he would do any of that. We know who he is, but he's still far superior to Trump. We'd rather fight a neoliberal than a fascist any day of the week. Neoliberals are predictable and only need light shined on them, fascists on the other hand are more troll-like every day and frankly I don't want to find out what Trump does when he's no longer worried about optics for a reelection. Why anyone would want a more extreme Trump is beyond me, but I assume people liked Hitler at the time too so anything is possible. That's what the system gets for putting up ineffective neoliberals who claim to be on the side of workers but make almost just as many bad decisions for workers as Republicans. People who feel betrayed by them are correct, but desperation leads to what we've got now.

Also progressives don't want open borders lol. I know it's conservative's favorite talking point about people like AOC but it's total bullshit. If you ever want to get a grasp of your own party's bullshit just look at the contradictions that Biden is both the most liberal socialist ever and also not going to pass any progressive legislation. I've heard both by Trump's campaign. Most of his supporters think that Pelosi and AOC share the same views though, so I guess he picked his audience well for lying out of his ***.

The left packing our education system with politically driven people to indoctrinate their students has created a monster they cannot control... communists.

I don't know any communists dude, lol. Not a single one. Good red herring though to explain why kids don't agree with you. Are you sure it's not just education in general? I mean most of the south wasn't even taught slavery as a bad thing, that we put japanese people in internment camps, or that the civil war was fought over state's rights despite on record statements from the people involved in it. Hell, conservatives simultaneously fly confederate flags while claiming they're the party of Lincoln, how does that make sense to an educated person?

 

[Clifff150 10+ year member]

I’m sorry that I don’t offense to every god damn thing someone says. Considering our relationship with NK, I find it funny actually. But I guess I’m just a misogynist pig.

 

[ThxOne Premium Member]

Whatever helps you sleep at night dude. Pelosi isn't denying aid, you're just misinformed. That falls squarely on McConnell. There's a bill on his desk in fact. I hate the woman but she's not the turd clogging up the works on this one. Rand Paul was grandstanding about being yelled at on the street in the capital just one week ago like it was the worst thing that ever happened to him. I would encourage you not to look to Pelosi or Paul for moral guidance, and certainly not Trump.

What a surprise... point the finger right back the other way. I know, it's McConnell's fault because he is a republican right?
Democrats want to spend more money, Republicans want to spend less money. Who is the expert economist though?

 

[audioholic 5,000+ posts]

Pelosi's not an expert. Trust me I'm not watching politicians for my news lmao. I don't really care about that story, sorry. It's nowhere near as bad of a look as when she was showing off her ice cream collection, so who cares? She's already done her part in the house to pass relief so she can do whatever the **** she wants to do imo. I still hope she gets replaced by Shahid Buttar, but she won't. I also never said it wasn't high politicized... It obviously is, but those who are politicizing it away from the scientific community's advice are idiots. If you want to say some politicians are doing things wrong according to the data then by all means, that's not really political as much as it is common sense and wanting the best outcome for the country. If instead you say the scientific community is less trustworthy than a politician or fringe quack doctor you're a) a moron, and b) shooting yourself in the foot.

I was responding to you saying this: "Covid-19 isn't a political issue, people who treat it as such are idiots."Maybe you just worded your comment badly, because covid is the hottest political issue of 2020. I used the Pelosi example to show that a 6 second video of her not wearing a mask at a hair salon is all everyone is talking about right now. And you can choose to ignore the political aspect of covid if you want to, but it's those politicians, not scientists, that set policy we are expected to follow under the threat of fines or jail.

Please link to which scientific community you are referring to that says they have all the accurate answers about covid.

 

[Lasherž]

What a surprise... point the finger right back the other way. I know, it's McConnell's fault because he is a republican right?
Democrats want to spend more money, Republicans want to spend less money. Who is the expert economist though?

Lol dude I'm not being bipartisan, the bill for relief is literally on his desk, you want her to do something she already did. Also republicans don't want to spend less money, they just want the money to go to the top as was made clear during the first relief package.

 

[Lasherž]

I was responding to you saying this: "Covid-19 isn't a political issue, people who treat it as such are idiots."Maybe you just worded your comment badly, because covid is the hottest political issue of 2020. I used the Pelosi example to show that a 6 second video of her not wearing a mask at a hair salon is all everyone is talking about right now. And you can choose to ignore the political aspect of covid if you want to, but it's those politicians, not scientists, that set policy we are expected to follow under the threat of fines or jail.

Please link to which scientific community you are referring to that says they have all the accurate answers about covid.

Yeah fair enough, worded badly maybe. There's politicians who agree or at least accept what the medical community says as the information comes in and there's those who don't. So in my "people who treat it as such are idiots" point it was about people who get their guidance on this from political sources. Media who don't cite the CDC/Who/Epidemiologists, politicians, or doctors who think vaccines cause autism.

"I used the Pelosi example to show that a 6 second video of her not wearing a mask at a hair salon is all everyone is talking about right now." Well what can I say? People are stupid sometimes, especially when it's an easy story for the media to talk about. It'd basically just be a reaction video that requires no research. The media is nothing if not lazy.

Nobody claims to know everything about it, but they know a lot.. What fact do you dispute?

 

[ThxOne Premium Member]

Lol dude I'm not being bipartisan, the bill for relief is literally on his desk, you want her to do something she already did. Also republicans don't want to spend less money, they just want the money to go to the top as was made clear during the first relief package.

The Republicans have less money on the table. Also, cutting back the unemployment from and additional $600 a week is a very, very smart thing. It is true, if I was making more by staying at home I am staying at home as long as humanly possible. That is what people are doing. I can see 70% for unemployment which is what... 10% more than normal unemployment? People are running the roads every day. I see them when I am working. The roads are not less packed than pre-Covid. There is just as much traffic or more. People have to get their shopping done sooner now. Stores are packed. People can get their ***** back to work. They have no problems shopping, they should have no problems working. I see kids out playing in groups all day long... get your ***** back to school. Bring hand sanitizer and wear your mask. Most of all America... wash the sand out of your vajay jays!

 

[audioholic 5,000+ posts]

I think it's only likely to split if Biden wins. Speaking as one of those young lefties who cares about other people, the people's party is only a good idea in so far as it exists in the democratic primary process and not outside of it. The libertarians have made that mistake and I'm sure college kids are smart enough to acknowledge the split in the vote isn't beneficial to anyone except Republicans. If Biden wins they have more power to affect positive change, since Democrats will be attacked from both sides and they'll need their majorities if they can maintain/obtain them. They haven't made any promises, so I don't think we have to worry about that. Trump's campaign keeps saying that Bernie put all of his socialist ideas into Bidens campaign and that's just completely false. Biden has made two concessions so far, one is lowering the medicare age to 55 (which he then retracted via the DNC to 60), and the other is supporting the green new deal which was part of the Green party's legislation in the 80s, so establishment Democrat folks apparently take 40 years to come to grips with reality and we're still counting for Republicans.

If Trump wins, there wont be much vote to split, since the republicans would likely also keep the senate and win the house. That's not guaranteed if Trump wins, but very likely. And the DNC wont survive another loss to someone they have convinced half the country is an idiot. And if that happens, why would young progressives stay aligned with a failed out-of-power party whose leaders wouldn't satisfy them even if they did have power? The new American Communist Party will make itself officially known sooner or later.

As for not making promises, I listed a few, which you ignored, and simply claimed no promises were made. Biden didn't take a blood oath to open the border. But there's a reason Biden is doing so few interviews, and it's not just because he's a gaff machine, it's also because he doesn't want to be pinned down on hot topics certain factions within his own party would take issue with. Like condemning or supporting ANTIFA specifically. Or if "defunding the police" means abolishing the police.

The Green New Deal is so fiscally irresponsible that it might as well have been written in crayon.

 

[audioholic 5,000+ posts]

Nobody claims to know everything about it, but they know a lot.. What fact do you dispute?

Exactly, you haven't named any fact that the scientific community agrees on concerning covid. You just keep suggesting the scientific community is on your side.

 

[hispls 5,000+ posts]

What hasn't followed the scientific method so far about all of this data?

Pick literally anything. You do know what the scientific method is and how it works, right?

It's hard for people to look past a 9/11 level of deaths every 3 days, we declared a war over far less and it has cost us about 6.4 trillion dollars. Apparently we're more willing to give money to millitary contractors, active duty soldiers, and arms manufacturers than our own people

So does money cure COVID? Is the state responsible to prevent anybody dying from anything ever? Can you explain the CDC data which suggest that under 10,000 COVID deaths were among people without other serious health problems?

New CDC report shows 94% of COVID-19 deaths in US had contributing conditions

According to the report, only 6% of deaths have COVID-19 as the only cause mentioned, revealing that 94% of patients who died from coronavirus also had contributing conditions.

www.wfla.com

 

[Lasherž]

If Trump wins, there wont be much vote to split, since the republicans would likely also keep the senate and win the house. That's not guaranteed if Trump wins, but very likely. And the DNC wont survive another loss to someone they have convinced half the country is an idiot.

You'd be surprised how much evidence and hypocrisy can exist while the establishment democrats do nothing. They picked a centrist for name recognition last time and this time they picked a centrist for name recognition. Hillary also still hasn't learned to shut up, even after she supported Eliot Engel and he got his *** kicked by Jamal Bowman. Pelosi supported Joe Kennedy and he got his *** kicked by Ed Markey. She probably doesn't even consider the hypocrisy of specifically shaming people who support primary challengers while supporting Kennedy.

And if that happens, why would young progressives stay aligned with a failed out-of-power party whose leaders wouldn't satisfy them even if they did have power? The new American Communist Party will make itself officially known sooner or later.

They're not aligned, but they're smart enough to realize that the 2 party system is shitty. Ultimately you can look at all of the progressive victories and see that the party is shifting, albeit slowly. It's not like they're going to join Republicans who are objectively against the interests of the people even more than establishment democrats. In terms of American Communist, you really like that word but apparently have no idea what you're talking about. Socialism is only appropriate where a profit motive would cost lives or doing the right thing is both very beneficial to the public as well as unprofitable. Basically every progressive agrees with that. Healthcare being the obvious example of what they want to change, but I saw conservatives praising trump when he promised single payer.. Never happened though. 80% of the country wants socialized medicine, including most Republicans. I guess you're one of the 43% of your party who thinks it's a slippery slope straight to "Venezuela" lol.

As for not making promises, I listed a few, which you ignored, and simply claimed no promises were made. Biden didn't take a blood oath to open the border. But there's a reason Biden is doing so few interviews, and it's not just because he's a gaff machine, it's also because he doesn't want to be pinned down on hot topics certain factions within his own party would take issue with. Like condemning or supporting ANTIFA specifically. Or if "defunding the police" means abolishing the police.

The "promises" you listed were not promises he made... Source a single one of them coming from his mouth or his campaign. "Biden isn't going to disband the police and replace them with roaming bands of arms private citizens. Biden isn't going to pay out trillions of dollars in "reparations" (more like zero dollars). Biden isn't going to open the borders. He's not going to find a way to create, pay for, and get support for universal healthcare. He isn't going to satisfy the demands of BLM or ANTIFA supporters, and they certainly haven't shown a propensity for patience when their demands aren't met."

If you're just going to make up shit it's not worth the time responding.

Some snippets for you:

"African American mothers and fathers should feel confident that their children are safe walking the streets of America. And, when a police officer pins on that shield and walks out the door, the officer’s family should know they’ll come home at the end of the day. Additionally, women and children are uniquely impacted by the criminal justice system, and the system needs to address their unique needs."

So basically "All Lives Matter, including Blue."

Where was that stand he supposedly took about satisfying the demands of BLM or "disbanding" the police?

"Too often, those in need of mental health care or rehabilitation for a substance use disorder do not get the care that they need. Instead, they end up having interactions with law enforcement that lead to incarceration. The same is true for homeless individuals. That’s not fair to those individuals, and it’s not fair to police officers. To change the nature of these interactions, the Biden Administration will fund initiatives to partner mental health and substance use disorder experts, social workers, and disability advocates with police departments. These service providers will train police officers to better de-escalate interactions with people in severe emotional distress before they become violent. They’ll also help police officers learn how to better approach individuals with certain disabilities, like those with autism or who are deaf, so misunderstanding does not lead to incarceration. And, these service providers will respond to calls with police officers so individuals who should not be in the criminal justice system are diverted to treatment for addiction or mental health problems, or are provided with the housing or other social services they may need."

Sure sounds like "give the police more money for training and give them less responsibility" to me. Where exactly is he taking that stand against police interests?

Another supposed promise, reparations... Nope, ain't in there. Maybe you can find it, but something tells me you got it from a conservative media source and not anything Biden actually said...

The Green New Deal is so fiscally irresponsible that it might as well have been written in crayon.

What's fiscally irresponsible is continuing to give subsidies to the fossil fuel industry when the green energy solutions have been economically viable for over 5 years. They're both getting subsidies, but the oil and gas are propped up almost entirely by them. If you like capitalism you'd let them compete, but if you like socialism for oil barons then I guess you're in the right party. The government initially subsidized the development of green energy solutions and it's now mature, so what you call fiscally irresponsible is relatively mundane incentives to not ruin the earth by making larger investments up front for savings in the long run, hard buy for you I guess.



Maybe this Republican Mayor can convince you of how obvious the decisions on energy are these days. He makes more sense than just about everyone on the topic. Skip to 2:09 if Bernie Triggers you.