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[Lasherž]

Exactly, you haven't named any fact that the scientific community agrees on concerning covid. You just keep suggesting the scientific community is on your side.

Like? I'll source whatever you want dude. You're being purposefully vague.

 

[Lasherž]

The Republicans have less money on the table. Also, cutting back the unemployment from and additional $600 a week is a very, very smart thing. It is true, if I was making more by staying at home I am staying at home as long as humanly possible. That is what people are doing. I can see 70% for unemployment which is what... 10% more than normal unemployment?

So lemme get this straight, we want a payroll tax cut that will sabotage social security in order to make people working get more of their gross pay. We're also claiming that more money than what they earn normally is bad for people. Considering you don't qualify for unemployment if you quit or if you're fired under nefarious circumstances, I don't think you're going to get an inrush of people trying to clamor for unemployment where most states can't keep up enough to even process claims. It may be smarter to just match their prior year average, but that would cost significantly more on average than 600 extra to every state's funds... As usual conservatives are more worried about the fringe than the majority of cases to justify their inaction or policies benefiting only the highest tax bracket. Nothing new here, it's just this time it's actually urgent.

People are running the roads every day. I see them when I am working. The roads are not less packed than pre-Covid. There is just as much traffic or more. People have to get their shopping done sooner now. Stores are packed. People can get their ***** back to work. They have no problems shopping, they should have no problems working. I see kids out playing in groups all day long... get your ***** back to school. Bring hand sanitizer and wear your mask. Most of all America... wash the sand out of your vajay jays!

That's a stellar old man rant, you should tell your city counsel all that stuff. You might make it on Youtube.

 

[Lasherž]

Pick literally anything. You do know what the scientific method is and how it works, right?

"Literally anything" but you can't pick one? Ok. I wrote a long post on a car audio forum, not a research paper. I'll gladly cite multiple points of contention for you but I'm not going to retroactively add hyperlinks for every sentence when you've all been arguing with no sources mentioned either lol.

So does money cure COVID? Is the state responsible to prevent anybody dying from anything ever? Can you explain the CDC data which suggest that under 10,000 COVID deaths were among people without other serious health problems?

New CDC report shows 94% of COVID-19 deaths in US had contributing conditions

According to the report, only 6% of deaths have COVID-19 as the only cause mentioned, revealing that 94% of patients who died from coronavirus also had contributing conditions.

www.wfla.com

Not directly, no. It does cure temporary poverty that can easily contribute to someone's death. I wouldn't say they're responsible, but the safety nets exist for a reason and it's both economical to keep people alive as well as morally the right thing to do. I mean if you want to let people die for a preventable situation then fair play to you, I just don't want you drafting policies. Sounds reasonable to me.

I already addressed the CDC data in two responses to ThxOne:

You have to realize how stupid it is to disregard people with preexisting conditions. The rate of people with preexisting conditions bad enough to deny coverage in the US is 43% and those are not all inclusive of the conditions that coronavirus is more likely to kill you based on including age and other temporary sicknesses that can compound covid-19. It's no secret that healthy people are at very low risk, close to .4%, however people with preexisting conditions make up a large portion of our country and workforce, not to mention that people with preexisting conditions are concentrated in certain areas in the south, so the devastation to the local economies will be massive. The reason why Sweden made this wager is because their country is largely young and healthy (due in no small part to their universal healthcare system which allows free preventative care). They also did it before research showed that reinfection from the same strand is definitely possible. Healthy people are wearing masks for the same reason we get flu shots. Unhealthy people are wearing it for the modicum of protection it gives them from people who don't care about them.

The thing about these stats is that people seem to be upset that every cause is included in someone's death. That's how it's always been done and part of why heart disease is so high up there in the death rate. It's compounded by

• Diabetes
• Overweight and obesity
• Unhealthy diet
• Physical inactivity
• Excessive alcohol use

If you want to say that these things exonerate the covid-19 numbers from being so high then it's just not comparing apples to apples at that point. It's not unique to any important health stats that we include people with pre-existing conditions. All of the contributory problems result in the death, so they all officially share the blame. The bottom line is that 43%+ people in the US are vulnerable to covid-19. You saying we're protecting ourselves from 6% of 6% is ignorant of the reason we wear masks, in actuality we're wearing them to protect 100% of the 6%, particularly the 94% that's high risk (~22,000,000).

There are going to be examples of heart disease, but if it's together with symptomatic lung issues then it's dishonest to say covid-19 doesn't play a part. I've known 3 people now who have had it and the 2 symptomatic people have said breathing is a constant struggle. They're all in the 20's and fairly healthy.

If your argument is to let all of the unhealthy people die you run into wealth divides very quickly. Respirators give people a chance to recover, not all hospitals have enough of them and that's primarily in poor areas. The argument quickly becomes "let the poor unhealthy or old people die, everyone else will be fine." I don't think that's very American of us, nor something for anyone to be okay with.

 

[hispls 5,000+ posts]

"Literally anything" but you can't pick one?

Scientific method involves testing a hypothesis with a control group and a test group and must be repeatable. If the experiment fails to produce the same results when repeated it goes into the trash and you come up with another hypothesis. I simply don't see this procedure being followed anywhere and there has been enough evidence of faulty tests and/or reporting so far to bring any early theories into question until these theories can be proven through repetition using scientific method.

Really, at the end of the day, there just hasn't been enough time for any of this to be considered science. It's all just opinion and theory.

It does cure temporary poverty that can easily contribute to someone's death

Free shit isn't freedom, it is dependency. The rations of a slave, hay and a barn for two legged cattle.

The primary reason why the individual citizens of a country create a political structure is a subconscious wish or desire to perpetuate their own dependency relationship of childhood. Simply put, they want a human god to eliminate all risk from their life, pat them on the head, kiss their bruises, put a chicken on every dinner table, clothe their bodies, tuck them into bed at night, and tell them that everything will be alright when they wake up in the morning.

This public demand is incredible, so the human god, the politician, meets incredibility with incredibility by promising the world and delivering nothing. So who is the bigger liar? the public? or the "godfather"?

This public behavior is surrender born of fear, laziness, and expediency. It is the basis of the welfare state as a strategic weapon, useful against a disgusting public.

----Silent Weapons for Quiet Wars

 

[ThxOne Premium Member]

So lemme get this straight, we want a payroll tax cut that will sabotage social security in order to make people working get more of their gross pay. We're also claiming that more money than what they earn normally is bad for people. Considering you don't qualify for unemployment if you quit or if you're fired under nefarious circumstances, I don't think you're going to get an inrush of people trying to clamor for unemployment where most states can't keep up enough to even process claims. It may be smarter to just match their prior year average, but that would cost significantly more on average than 600 extra to every state's funds... As usual conservatives are more worried about the fringe than the majority of cases to justify their inaction or policies benefiting only the highest tax bracket. Nothing new here, it's just this time it's actually urgent.

That's a stellar old man rant, you should tell your city counsel all that stuff. You might make it on Youtube.

The payroll tax cut will be paid back later on if they do it by taking more taxes out of future paychecks. This is IF your employer participates in the cuts.

Or we can just keep overpaying everyone for not working so nobody is motivated to go back to work and the country can continue to go further in debt.

Old man rant huh? I deliver pizza. I have been doing it since the begining of the COVID problem in north Jacksonville Florida. I interact with many, many people a day as well as being around up to 22 employees in tight quarters. We wash our hands and wear mask. We are ALL fine. It's time to get everyone back to work.

 

[ThxOne Premium Member]

So now harvesting cotton is racist. Now assholes are crying about the name of a Texas High School football team. The Robstown Cotton Pickers. How is that racist??? Chances are the clothes these complainers are wearing are made of cotton and somebody had to pick it. But they are wearing it... so what's the problem?

So basically ANYTHING that reminds them of "work" is bad so therefore racist? Is that why everyone hates Whitey? Cause we work so much for the things we need and want? Yikes. Now it all makes sense. WE are the suckers... WE need to become bums too and demand things for free!!! But wait... who do we all blame for our lives being so crappy if whitey is right there in the shitter too? Can't blame ourselves... no, that would mean accepting responsibility... who can we blame.......... England? No, did that already..... Fiji? No, I like their water...... I don't know... I am at a loss.

 

[Clifff150 10+ year member]

We used to play against Robstown in high school. I always thought the name was definitely unique. The team was all Latino and from what is said, the name is to pay respect to migrant Latino workers who picked cotton.

 

[audioholic 5,000+ posts]

Like? I'll source whatever you want dude. You're being purposefully vague.

I'm not being vague, I feel you are.

"Covid-19 isn't a political issue, people who treat it as such are idiots. If you distrust the global scientific community and instead opt for a politician's word just think about how that sounds. That's not something to be proud of, it's something to be ridiculed."

Im specifically asking you to explain exactly what the scientific community agrees on with covid-19.

 

[Lasherž]

Scientific method involves testing a hypothesis with a control group and a test group and must be repeatable. If the experiment fails to produce the same results when repeated it goes into the trash and you come up with another hypothesis. I simply don't see this procedure being followed anywhere and there has been enough evidence of faulty tests and/or reporting so far to bring any early theories into question until these theories can be proven through repetition using scientific method.

Really, at the end of the day, there just hasn't been enough time for any of this to be considered science. It's all just opinion and theory.


Free shit isn't freedom, it is dependency. The rations of a slave, hay and a barn for two legged cattle.


----Silent Weapons for Quiet Wars

Lack of trials isn't the same as non-repeatability. As you say, there's just not enough data right now to make solidly conclusive showings, but that takes decades. The research that has been done is valid. It's not as if preliminary research ignores the scientific method and follow-up research doesn't. You're confusing terms I think. Maybe what you mean is it hasn't been confirmed by hundreds of repeated tests, but we don't have time so instead our narratives change as the science changes. Lack of solid scientific foundation isn't an excuse to not take actions that are known or thought to work against a virus. An analogy: You don't need to wait for the gps to calculate before you start driving from New Mexico to South Carolina, just drive east. Do you think masks are going to be proven to be worse for you than the coronavirus? It's about as dumb to not wear them as it is to drive west waiting for directions to go east.

You also make the mistake of saying a theory isn't considered science, which is the opposite of the truth. Theories are easily debunked if they're not close and hard to debunk if they are. After some scrutiny the scientific community assumes it's close enough to issue guidance within the gray area, that's exactly what's been done here.

The "theory" of evolution is still a theory, still science, and at this point can be safely assumed to be a fact, yet science never withdraws from the designation of a theory because in its core that's exactly what science is, theories waiting to be disproved.

Still waiting to hear one single specific I've mentioned. It's starting to sound like a student bullshitting about something they kinda sorta know but don't want to get too specific to avoid being wrong on the details. Generalities are a waste of time in a conversation covering at least 20 different studies.

 

[Lasherž]

The payroll tax cut will be paid back later on if they do it by taking more taxes out of future paychecks. This is IF your employer participates in the cuts.

Or we can just keep overpaying everyone for not working so nobody is motivated to go back to work and the country can continue to go further in debt.

Old man rant huh? I deliver pizza. I have been doing it since the begining of the COVID problem in north Jacksonville Florida. I interact with many, many people a day as well as being around up to 22 employees in tight quarters. We wash our hands and wear mask. We are ALL fine. It's time to get everyone back to work.

I'm not being vague, I feel you are.

"Covid-19 isn't a political issue, people who treat it as such are idiots. If you distrust the global scientific community and instead opt for a politician's word just think about how that sounds. That's not something to be proud of, it's something to be ridiculed."

Im specifically asking you to explain exactly what the scientific community agrees on with covid-19.

Well since you're unwilling to say what your contentions with any singular claim is, how about wearing a mask is effective at containing the spread? There's quite a bit of research showing that while the virus is smaller than the filtering ability of the masks, it tends to ride water droplets/vapor that get absorbed by the mask. The further from the source the particles get unimpeded the more likely they're in open-air unattached and that's a largely preventable problem via the host wearing a mask.

https://files.fast.ai/papers/masks_lit_review.pdf

 

[Lasherž]

We used to play against Robstown in high school. I always thought the name was definitely unique. The team was all Latino and from what is said, the name is to pay respect to migrant Latino workers who picked cotton.

I can see both points of view on that. Mascots can and should be what their community is proud of. I think it's probably a failure of the school for not being like, "What's another way we can describe what they do?" There's obviously multiple ways they can keep the spirit of the name without it sounding like they're named after slaves in a cotton field though. As the journalist said in the tweets, they could just call them pickers if nothing else.

 

[ThxOne Premium Member]

I can see both points of view on that. Mascots can and should be what their community is proud of. I think it's probably a failure of the school for not being like, "What's another way we can describe what they do?" There's obviously multiple ways they can keep the spirit of the name without it sounding like they're named after slaves in a cotton field though. As the journalist said in the tweets, they could just call them pickers if nothing else.

Nah, if the first place someones mind goes when they hear the words Cotton Pickers is Black Slaves then that person needs to get some therapy to work on THEIR racism. Black people weren't and aren't the only people to pick or harvest cotton but they sure seem to be the first to call just about anything racist... what does that tell you?

This really pisses me off. They wanted to topple any statue they deemed as a racist idol or icon to destroy racism but they can't fix their own way of thinking and stop being racist. You can't get rid of it if you are a racist. That's like my ex... big skank but she kept that in the closet... didn't want anyone to see it, but she was and is a certified skank.

 

[Lasherž]

Nah, if the first place someones mind goes when they hear the words Cotton Pickers is Black Slaves then that person needs to get some therapy to work on THEIR racism. Black people weren't and aren't the only people to pick or harvest cotton but they sure seem to be the first to call just about anything racist... what does that tell you?

This really pisses me off. They wanted to topple any statue they deemed as a racist idol or icon to destroy racism but they can't fix their own way of thinking and stop being racist. You can't get rid of it if you are a racist. That's like my ex... big skank but she kept that in the closet... didn't want anyone to see it, but she was and is a certified skank.

Just say "context matters." You always sound like you've got a chronic persecution complex. If racism exists, then looking for it in order to stomp it out isn't the worst thing in the world. Context doesn't grow on trees in the era of social media, so sometimes they're going to miss the mark based on the headline. In this case it's pretty clear why it's offensive. Being okay in context but not out of context isn't really what you want for a school mascot is it?

 

[ThxOne Premium Member]

Just say "context matters." You always sound like you've got a chronic persecution complex. If racism exists, then looking for it in order to stomp it out isn't the worst thing in the world. Context doesn't grow on trees in the era of social media, so sometimes they're going to miss the mark based on the headline. In this case it's pretty clear why it's offensive. Being okay in context but not out of context isn't really what you want for a school mascot is it?

Nah, I am not going to soften it for tender hearted idiots who's feelings get hurt when the wind blows. They weren't looking for it to stomp it out... the only way they can stomp it out is by not being racist and not letting racist win, i.e. not letting ignorance affect their decisions. Going out and being violent only shows their lack of intellect.

 

[Lasherž]

Nah, I am not going to soften it for tender hearted idiots who's feelings get hurt when the wind blows. They weren't looking for it to stomp it out... the only way they can stomp it out is by not being racist and not letting racist win, i.e. not letting ignorance affect their decisions. Going out and being violent only shows their lack of intellect.

Well it's a good thing you're here to get mad on other people's behalves, where would the townspeople be without you? Seems like something the town needs to sort out. If they want to explain the context every time it's brought up then all the power to them, that just sounds exhausting and probably won't last forever. I dunno if I'd look into it further if I was researching school systems before moving and saw one's team was the cotton pickers.