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http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?t=597419

 

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This is why you folks need to enhance your woodworking skills even though

equipment purchasing eats into your stereo budget. Over time your skills

improve and you can make a great system for only 5% of that budget

and a really nice system for 2.5% of that budget.

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repost of a reposted repost on another forum... But neat nonetheless


I com to lern bout car awww-deeeee-ohhhhhs!

Truck: 1998 Ford Ranger SC 2.5L 4 cyl 5 spd

Mods- 195/60R15 Cooper Cobra Tires on stock rims

System: HU- Eclipse CD8454, 2 Dayton RS180 7" midbass, Optimus 3" Horn Tweets hotglued to the dash, 3 12" JL W6v1's downfiring sealed, PPI PCX2200 @ 4 ohms, Alpine MRV-F545 mids and highs, 2 layers of Raamat on the doors.

What's in Store:

2 more Dayton RS180 7" midbass, 2 Bolender Grabender Neo planar tweets

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$181k isn't the most I've seen :)


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hahaha...

 

u folks obviously dont know who MERIDIAN audio is....

why dont you inform us?

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Some things just can't be posted on that forum.... My response to his post .. here only ...

 

snip... from link.

 

Yesterday afternoon, I went to an audition of the latest and greatest "flagship" McIntosh audio system. Although it was *just* a stereo system, it consisted of:

 

The XRT2K Speaker System. These speakers stand over 7 feet tall and contain 110 drivers on each side of the stereo pair; six 12" woofers, sixty-four 2" mid's and forty, 3/4" tweeters.

 

 

XRT2K is an improvement over their older stuff, but not really a design

amazement. Look at the low sensitivity rating of that speaker -- lol

 

 

MC2KW Tri-Chassis Amps. Each channel consisted of an output module and two 1,000 watt power modules, combined to supply 2,000 watts per channel. The dealer had to have an electrician come in and run five new dedicated circuits just to supply power to these babies.)

 

 

Nice amp but is it worth paying $30k MSRP each ? What's the big deal with 2000w/ch ?

You can get proamps for less with more power at a fraction of the cost.

 

 

C1000 Tri-chassis Vacuum Tube/Solid State pre-amp .

MDA1000 D/A Converter

MCD1000 CD transport

 

 

More expensive stuff not needed.

 

It was phenomenal! I've never heard *anything* even remotely close. On some music, it sounded better than any live concert I've ever attended.

 

 

Line array's plus high power give you this impression.

 

 

The sound was open and "airy" like nothing I've ever experienced in a music playback system. I went with a friend, (who is also a member of this forum) and we were both struck by the size of the soundstage, the pinpoint accuracy of the imaging and the "attack" of sounds like plucked strings and percussion.

 

 

My cheap NSB array does the same thing...

 

 

And then there was the bass, aahhh..., the bass! In an oddly shaped room, with no acoustic treatment and no EQ or room compensation, the bass was the tightest, cleanest and smoothest I've ever experienced.

 

 

I don't have a bass array, but I can build one using $20 Dayton woofers

that would give this type of response.

 

 

Nonetheless, every bass note was distinct and clear, with zero distortion.

 

 

Line arrays have low distortion.

 

 

The soundstage was very wide and very tall, but lacked a little in depth.

 

 

Typical response from any line array audition. Depth can be added by using

a digital delay on one channel.

 

 

However, that could have been affected by the room they were in, (a large open room with glass windows just 2 feet behind the listeners). The imaging was really good almost anywhere in the room. However, when you found the "sweet spot" the imaging became breathtaking. The sweet spot wasn't very big, (it was right at the equilateral triangle formed by the speakers and the listener), but once you heard the imaging from that spot, the system was a revalation. Voices and instruments hung in space in a way that was totally believable and realistic.

 

 

More line array boner stuff.

 

 

Voices had startling realism, with no chestiness or nasaliness. On recordings of "live" music, voices took on the large soundstage of amplified reproduction. With "studio" recordings, voices had the pinpoint imaging that made you feel like the singer was standing right in front of you. However, occasionally, some voices sounded overly "big," like the singer's mouth was 5 feet wide and 10 feet tall.

 

 

Again, line arrays do this.

 

 

This must have been the recording because not all voices sounded that way. I guess these speakers are just so accurate that they are going to portray every recording exactly as it was recorded.

 

 

Any line array will do this.

 

 

The struck keys of a well-tuned piano...

Nora Jones belting out "Come Away With Me..."

Drumsticks tapping a symbol...

Brushes on a snare drum...

Buddy Guy's fingers plucking his guitar strings...

The "kick" of a bass drum...

Diana Krall's voice...

The breath of an unknown (to me) flutist on an unrecognized (by me) "New Age" selection...

 

 

Stuff my NSB array can do.

 

 

I heard things with a clarity and depth that I've never experienced before in recorded music reproduction. The clean dynamic range, the sheer, distortion-free volume, and the effortless stereo imaging were head and shoulders above anything I've heard before.

 

 

More line array boner stuff.

 

 

Summary

The real magic he heard was caused by the speaker and lots of power, not the sources,

and even in an untreated room, you can get that reaction. I can replace all those sources

with cheap stuff and use low cost proamps and he'd never know.

 

$181k for that. I can do something similar for $2k DIY plus $1k for amps, $250 for

crossover, and $125 for the source. Ideally, a nice preamp would be cool,

but not mandatory. I can probably mimimick his experience more accurately with another

$1k to the budget.

 

Never reveal DIY to these people, they will never believe that someone

can recreate that experience by only spending less then $5K ... DIY style...

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Thy, usually I agree perfectly with you, but $125 for a source with $2k in speakers seems a little off :D


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what the @#$%. $181,000


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Thy, usually I agree perfectly with you, but $125 for a source with $2k in speakers seems a little off :D

 

To clarify, I was referring to the cd player using that term loosely, could be sacd,

dvda, etc.... This source, then drives the next signal processor or preamp or

pehaps the amplifier directly if it has a volume control.

 

This source doesn't have to be expensive as technology has come along

way, it's not the 50's, 60's, 70's or 80's... Integrated circuits have taken

the place of discretes to do this job in a compact size.

 

You will be surprised when I tell that you Earl Geddes makes the same

claim, I believe he uses a sub $200 source to audition his high end

loudspeakers, because he believes in the same thing, source electronics are that good

today.

 

http://www.gedlee.com/

[He's an audio guru x 100].

 

The only issue that concerns me with sources is noise and if the unit has

flat frequency response, which they usually do. I don't see a need

to spend $500 on a dedicated cd player or spend more on exotic external DAC's

if a $100 universal DVD player measures well.

 

My source is just that, cost me $126 shipped. Plays all the formats. I have the cash

to spend $5k on a source if I thought it would help, but I choose not to go there

as it's money down the drain.

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Only $181,000?!?

 

I'll take 4!! :naughty:


References: vitveet, ismelllikepoop, xdavieexx, TreyE

 

Head Unit: Pioneer DEH-P860mp

Front Speakers: Infinity Kappa 6.5cs

Rear Fill: Some Pioneer coaxes

Sub Amp: Directed 1500d

 

Though I would suggest investing in a dictionary

 

:laugh:

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whoa!!

 

Currently Active Users Viewing This Thread: 16 (12 members and 4 guests)

PV Audio , Alpineinstaller , Big-Cat , Blunt , cole24 , da_tank , Hades2004 , jeeper07 , jujumantb , OneKrazyKeebler , Range Rover , thylantyr

 

HT forum usually isn't this popular...

 

Anything tube based will be very expensive. I love audiogon though; middle to late old-aged men arguing on whose $3000 power cable is the best.

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I remember hearing somewhere that Fabio had like over 1mil in his setup


 

OneKrazyKeebler BEST AVATAR EVER!! :clap: OWWWWEEEEEEEEEEEEEE!

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so long ago, they dont effin count anymore, get over it

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Don't forget about the $350k amp..........

or the 325,000$ speakers;)

 

i bet you could spend over a million on a system....


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I guess everyone missed the point of this thread... not to show off expensive

gear or to name expensive gear... rather what that guy is describing can be

had for a huge fraction of the cost ------------- if you DIY ---- evil ----

 

He makes it sound like you *need* to spend this cash to get ..*that* .. sound.... not

if you carry the dark lord's light saber in hand .... :laugh:

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I guess everyone missed the point of this thread... not to show off expensive

gear or to name expensive gear... rather what that guy is describing can be

had for a huge fraction of the cost ------------- if you DIY ---- evil ----

 

He makes it sound like you *need* to spend this cash to get ..*that* .. sound.... not

if you carry the dark lord's light saber in hand .... :laugh:

 

Now that I perfectly agree with :)

 

I hate the automatic assumption that all vacuum tube gear is overpriced - because of that very phenomenon you described. Sure, I could spend $3k on a pair of Welborne Labs monoblocks or some other "audiophile approved" brand name that advertises in Stereophool or TAS. But why, when I could buy a kit from Bottlehead or Decware and build it myself for a tiny fraction of that, or scratch-build something for even less? Doesn't make sense, unless he gets part of his e-penis from the name and/or is too lazy to DIY.

 

A single-ended 2A3 amp, if the same transformers and components are used, is going to sound just like any other 2A3 amp that uses those same parts; I'd rather not have the name and have the cash in my wallet :)


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