YAY! To Judge Ruling Against ID Being Taught In Science Class

[adio 5,000+ posts]

I fail to see how any of those are connected....

read it sommore and think a little harder, but i'm just a spectator. like a principal sitting in the back of the class at school

 

[HeatSeeker 10+ year member]

Evolution has nothing to do with any of the things you just mentioned. Nothing at all. There could very well have been a being that started life, and let it change on its own. No life after death? have you died? No meaning of life? Dont see how that has anything at all to do with evolution. And no free will? If anything the existence of God proves we have no free will, like pointing a gun at someone and telling him you'll kill him unless he jumps off a bridge. Anyways if there were a God and he was "all knowing" as Christians claim, the he knows already what we will do, throwing "free will" out the window anyways.

 

[Acidburn 5,000+ posts]

 

[mikescanlon 10+ year member]

i think acidburn said it all.

 

[marleyskater420 5,000+ posts]

http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=genesis%201-2&version=31
Gen 2: 4 is the start of the second account. In my Bible at home, instead of saying ''Adam and Eve,'' it actually says ''Another Account of the Creation.'' The differences speak for themselves.

Were you dropped as a child?

"4 This is the account of the heavens and the earth when they were created.

When the LORD God made the earth and the heavens- "

The only thing it is saying is that the words just written were the account of the heavens and the earth. As you read the 2nd chapter, it just goes into detail about each day. I don't see how that is two seperate accounts, but rather further detail on one subject.

For the same reason why creationists hate evolution so much. I am a higher being than either though, so I will never understand either of their inferior ways.

See, creationists don't hate evolutionists. I think it was creationism that was first taught in school, THEN the evolutionists kicked it out. Christians aren't taught to hate anyone, and there is no resent(at least from me personally) to evolutionists. I just hate people who are ignorant. Not implying those that don't believe what I do are ignorant, but those that, when arguing, cannot accept a fact when presented, are ignorant.

I shouldn't be forced to learn any religious beliefs in a public school. If I or my parents want me to learn about it, I can go to a church, library, or a private school.

Who said you are being forced to learn it? By your logic, we are also forced to learn evolutionism, we are also forced to learn every other subject in school, and we are forced to conform.

I think anything should be allowed to be discussed in school assuming those who participate in the discussion are comfortable with debating/discussing the subject at hand, but I don't think subjects primarily based on religous beliefs should be part of the curriculum in public schools.

Maybe in Canada they do things different, but just becuase you arent "comfortable" discussing something, doesn't mean you shouldn't. You think great strides in social and racial advancement would have been made if we didn't discuss what hurt our feelings? "

Seriously, you don't think evolution would offend a *gasp* christian who goes to a public school?Or visa versa? How is it one side gets to make all the rules, and the other cannot do shit? How is that fair? How is Christianity and Creationism so harmful to you? Last I heard, it wasn't Christianity that was hiding in the closet, it was your use of logic.

Excuse me Mr.King, but uh....you can't talk about that here, them white folks don't like it."

Yeah, way to go freedom of thought. Thank you Canada.//content.invisioncic.com/y282845/emoticons/rolleyes.gif.c1fef805e9d1464d377451cd5bc18bfb.gif

Your one-sided thinking makes me sick.

 

[HeatSeeker 10+ year member]

. Not implying those that don't believe what I do are ignorant, but those that, when arguing, cannot accept a fact when presented, are ignorant..

The fact is, everyone is ignorant on the subject. None of us were there when it happened, and neither some old guys with lab coats in glasses, or a millenia old book written by guys high on opium will convince me. The current theory of evolution is the most plausible to me right now, but when it all comes down to it, I have to admit, as should any self-respecting person, I don't know.

 

[marleyskater420 5,000+ posts]

The fact is, everyone is ignorant on the subject. None of us were there when it happened, and neither some old guys with lab coats in glasses, or a millenia old book written by guys high on opium will convince me. The current theory of evolution is the most plausible to me right now, but when it all comes down to it, I have to admit, as should any self-respecting person, I don't know.

Werd. I agree with everything you just said. Except I believe in ID. But I still am behind all that you said. We don't know, and thats why I don't see how evolutionists get on some high horse and force other theories out of the picture.

 

[marleyskater420 5,000+ posts]

Don't even ****ing start talking down to me, Tyler ... and way to take everything I said and twist it around into something I didn't even mean ...

Im sick of all the stupid shit that gets said about Christianity. I don't even like the religion and Im tired of the shit it gets. Your points left my rebuttles open. You know exactly what I meant and how I meant it. The entire one-sided thought process that most close-minded evolutionists attain is astounding. I know Christians can be the same way, but it's just rediculous what evolutionists expect.

I would like some answers to the questions I proposed.

 

[marleyskater420 5,000+ posts]

I'm not an evolutionist ...

Never said you were. I was speaking in general terms, but merely quoted you.

 

[Eugenics 5,000+ posts]

im glad, im tired of seeing religon paraded around as fact when there is nothing backing it up at all... you midas well worship a giant pie as your god

 

[HeatSeeker 10+ year member]

I dont see how ID and evolution can't coexist. The problem I have with actaul creationism is the rest of the book it comes with....

 

[HeatSeeker 10+ year member]

im glad, im tired of seeing religon paraded around as fact when there is nothing backing it up at all... you midas well worship a giant pie as your god

Hey, nothin wrong with worshipping pie...//content.invisioncic.com/y282845/emoticons/crap.gif.7f4dd41e3e9b23fbd170a1ee6f65cecc.gif

 

[Flipx99 5,000+ posts]

last one on here for me. i'll just be a spectator here:

I feel that I am agnostic.

If evolutionary theory is true, there are five inescapable conclusions. Number one, there is no evidence for God.

I do not see how evolution disproves evidence for a God. I belive in both. They are not mutually exclusive events. Perhaps God influences evolution.

Number two, there is no life after death.

again, how does the advancement of species, and creation of news ones eliminate life after death. Again, these two events are not mutually exlusive.

Number three, there is no absolute foundation for right and wrong.

Plenty of sociologists have written about a social contract you have with others in your community Furthermore, the basis of right and wrong are determine by society, which ironically, evolves.

Number four, there is no ultimate meaning for life.

yes, there is. Passing genes on to your offspring to extend and expand the species. Just like animals, just like heirs. We want to extend our lineage via offsrping. Reproduction, the continuance of life, is the meaning of life.

And number five, people don’t really have free will.

they have to free will to live as they choose. All living things must die. That a componet of both organzied religion and evotlution.

 

[MastaFlex 10+ year member]

as it has been stated i think evolution is bullshit, it has no evidence what so ever. Tell me how did scientists come up with their "evidence" for evolution. It had to of came off of some concrete evidence. No it came off the big bang theory and other worthless theories, so in all it should be taught as being true, since it has no basis. I believe if you teach one you teach the other

 

[Eugenics 5,000+ posts]

as it has been stated i think evolution is bullshit, it has no evidence what so ever. Tell me how did scientists come up with their "evidence" for evolution. It had to of came off of some concrete evidence. No it came off the big bang theory and other worthless theories, so in all it should be taught as being true, since it has no basis. I believe if you teach one you teach the other

you're right, it has nothing to do with prehistoric remains