YAY! To Judge Ruling Against ID Being Taught In Science Class

[HiAmplidude 10+ year member]

Interesting topic.

When I was in college, I sat in classes and learned about all kinds of stuff I didn't necessarily believe in, and some stuff I frankly didn't care to hear at all. So, we must remember that this "topic" (not necessarily its contents) is merely learning material in the educational facility.

Putting ID into a SCIENCE class is not the right way to go about educating students. The decision by the court is a valid and good one. They by no means dismissed God, as far as I can tell.

To say that it is "one way or the other" is being extremely narrow-minded, especially considering we as normal people cannot even begin to fathom the extensity of time, space, matter, existence. Maybe we exist in a way that has never been contemplated. Maybe that existence is God's will. Perhaps the Bible hints at it but the writers, being people too, couldn't quite comprehend its vastness. I don't know. You don't either.

I've seen things in both evil and the light that is unexplainable with either science or the Bible. In my heart, there definitely is more than just a bunch of molecules that have morphed over time to adapt to their environment for survival. Yes, I believe that happened (evolution) for the physical body. I also believe that God intended that. We're not just another form of animal that just happens to be able to type and produce microprocessors and artificial intelligence and heal each other with medicine. There has to be more to the human existance than our bodies.

Beyond time and physical and superficial/shallow ridiculous word-level understanding of existence and reality, we're not going to prove anything with a forum thread where "this thread is worthless without pic's".

 

[bikejunkie223 10+ year member]

no, i mean ur klan card?

you can kiss my white dick boyo! I have no problem with any race, color, creed, ****** preference, or religion. I have a problem with "minorities" crying about how they are mistreated all the time, when they should just STFU and earn respect/money/power like everybody else. "we don't have the same opportunities as whitey" So what? Neither did I, and I AM white! I went into the Military, where I excelled based solely on performance and that has carried me thus far in life and will continue to be my guide and I have NO respect for anyone not willing to try and help themselves.

 

[adio 5,000+ posts]

you can kiss my white dick boyo! I have no problem with any race, color, creed, ****** preference, or religion. I have a problem with "minorities" crying about how they are mistreated all the time, when they should just STFU and earn respect/money/power like everybody else. "we don't have the same opportunities as whitey" So what? Neither did I, and I AM white! I went into the Military, where I excelled based solely on performance and that has carried me thus far in life and will continue to be my guide and I have NO respect for anyone not willing to try and help themselves.

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[twoohfour 10+ year member]

This is the reason why I didn't even bother responding to your post. Your immature and ignorant, as witnessed by your post of nothing but a worthless, off topic, immature grade school insult. And I could see that any response of mine would turn into.....THIS.
So, again at you I

Hit puberty and grow some hair on your balls, then come talk to me.

Take a look in the mirror. There is the idiot you speak of.

Sure, I suppose flaming is the proper response.

What are you talking about puberty and grade school? Damn, you take the entirety of my comments personally and then attack me based on.. nothing? You pulled out the mirror insult in style though, I guess?

It should be "you're" ignorant, however. And I would hope to say I'm surely not.

However i meant in no way to offend you.

//content.invisioncic.com/y282845/emoticons/confused.gif.e820e0216602db4765798ac39d28caa9.gif Oh well.

 

[adio 5,000+ posts]

you can kiss my white dick boyo! I have no problem with any race, color, creed, ****** preference, or religion. I have a problem with "minorities" crying about how they are mistreated all the time, when they should just STFU and earn respect/money/power like everybody else. "we don't have the same opportunities as whitey" So what? Neither did I, and I AM white! I went into the Military, where I excelled based solely on performance and that has carried me thus far in life and will continue to be my guide and I have NO respect for anyone not willing to try and help themselves.

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[JimJ 5,000+ posts]

Interesting topic.
When I was in college, I sat in classes and learned about all kinds of stuff I didn't necessarily believe in, and some stuff I frankly didn't care to hear at all. So, we must remember that this "topic" (not necessarily its contents) is merely learning material in the educational facility.

Putting ID into a SCIENCE class is not the right way to go about educating students. The decision by the court is a valid and good one. They by no means dismissed God, as far as I can tell.

To say that it is "one way or the other" is being extremely narrow-minded, especially considering we as normal people cannot even begin to fathom the extensity of time, space, matter, existence. Maybe we exist in a way that has never been contemplated. Maybe that existence is God's will. Perhaps the Bible hints at it but the writers, being people too, couldn't quite comprehend its vastness. I don't know. You don't either.

I've seen things in both evil and the light that is unexplainable with either science or the Bible. In my heart, there definitely is more than just a bunch of molecules that have morphed over time to adapt to their environment for survival. Yes, I believe that happened (evolution) for the physical body. I also believe that God intended that. We're not just another form of animal that just happens to be able to type and produce microprocessors and artificial intelligence and heal each other with medicine. There has to be more to the human existance than our bodies.

Beyond time and physical and superficial/shallow ridiculous word-level understanding of existence and reality, we're not going to prove anything with a forum thread where "this thread is worthless without pic's".

Probably the best reply here so far.

If this was in a state university curriculum, no one would bat an eye - the problem is, it's at the elementary school level.

Hell, it's not like this is the only thing ****ing up the younger generation - they're screwed as it is.

 

[squeak9798 5,000+ posts]

Sure, I suppose flaming is the proper response.
What are you talking about puberty and grade school? Damn, you take the entirety of my comments personally and then attack me based on.. nothing? You pulled out the mirror insult in style though, I guess?

It should be "you're" ignorant, however. And I would hope to say I'm surely not.

However i meant in no way to offend you.

//content.invisioncic.com/y282845/emoticons/confused.gif.e820e0216602db4765798ac39d28caa9.gif Oh well.

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[squeak9798 5,000+ posts]

as it has been stated i think evolution is bullshit, it has no evidence what so ever. Tell me how did scientists come up with their "evidence" for evolution. It had to of came off of some concrete evidence. No it came off the big bang theory and other worthless theories, so in all it should be taught as being true, since it has no basis. I believe if you teach one you teach the other

It is based off of a lot more evidence than you apparently realize //content.invisioncic.com/y282845/emoticons/wink.gif.608e3ea05f1a9f98611af0861652f8fb.gif

But.....beyond that; Even if evolution is totally wrong (evidence suggests otherwise...but, anyways), it can atleast stand up to the scrutiny of and change with science through the scientific method. If our current theory of evolution isn't 100% accurate (and everybody knows that it presently isn't 100% accurate), then we can change and modify the theory as new evidence is brought to light and arrive at a more accurate theory. This is what science does and how it operates. This is it's main strength.

On the other hand......ID can NEVER be science or a scientific theory due to the fact that it relies on an intelligent being. THAT is the reason it doesn't belong in a science cirriculum of the public education system. And THAT is the reason the judge gave for not allowing it in the public education system.

This isn't, really, an evolution vs. ID debate......more of an "is ID science" debate. And the answer is a resounding NO. It can not and can never be science or a scientific theory. And, therefore, should not be (and now isn't) allowed in the science cirriculum for the public education system.

 

[bikejunkie223 10+ year member]

Hell, it's not like this is the only thing ****ing up the younger generation - they're screwed as it is.

In a world where kids stay indoors to play xbox rather than going outside on a beautiful summer day, and some of the younger members here couldn't write a properly structured sentence if thier very lives depended on it, the public schools have enough trouble teaching what they have to these boneheads.

 

[toaster 10+ year member]

there is good and evil in the world. therefore, there is right and wrong, and we, as humans, know the difference. so, if there are morals in the world, there has to be an ultimate moral authority from whom they came from. things like morals didnt just "appear."

btw, evolution has been disproven so many times by the same scientists trying to confirm it, its not funny.

our pastor was an atheist all his life, and set out for his thesis to get his phd to totally disprove the bible.

however, the more he studied, the more evidence he found confirming God instead of disproving Him, and became a born again christian.

his name is frank harbor, and its a very famous story. google it.

 

[HeatSeeker 10+ year member]

does this make sense??:

a dead baby chimpanzee that's been dead for 1.5 minutes, paint that comes in 120 colors, 35 paint brushes, food, water, a drop of your blood from your finger (cause your playing God in this scenario) on an open cut in the chimp and an electrical charge from a positive terminal of a battery. the electrical charge zaps the chimp after 2 minutes. all thrown into a room and locked .

you come back 6 millon years later and find a guy there that looks like robin williams from jumanji and he painted the sistine chapel on a wall in the room http://www.youer.com/photo/T/420jingdian1458.jpg

this is theistic evolution

LSD much?

 

[adio 5,000+ posts]

LSD much?

lsd = no sleeping= yes

i'ma spectator again

 

[HeatSeeker 10+ year member]

dear flip,
y'all are really f'n this up.

1.) i would love to belive in thestic evolution. it melds both things together and it all makes sense so that everybody shuts up. but evolution is RANDOM. evolution is not directed. if evolution is true GOD doesn't exist cause God doesn't just do random things with no direction. evolution has no specific direction. evolution dictates that we just appeared and macroevolution occured. therefore, if evolution created us and everything else there's no need for a Intelligent designer

2.) if evolution is true, we have no soul/spirit. we're just bodies, therefore, no life after death.

3.) if evolution is true, there is no God, therefore, no judge of right and wrong. and if u think depending on society to determine morals is cool............ that's all i'ma say. compare the level of crime in december 2005 to the level of crime in december 1792

4.) you think fukkin is the meaning of life?

5.) this correlates with #1 and #2. if there's no free will, no matter what we choose, there is no life after death. we can live the super duper goodess life, we're thrown into the grown, the end. no GoD to live with or be separated from.

1. Evolution is NOT random. The organism better suited to a given enviroment lives, unsuited ones die. shizam.

2. Why is a soul necessary for life after death? Maybe the electric impulses that make up our thought processes are our "souls" and are absorbed back into the enviroment after death. I doubt anyone here is dead yet, so we cant say.

3. Right and wrong is determined by society. Look at different cultures, or hell look at out own society 50 years ago. Unless youre saying God changes what is right and wrong from time to time?

4. It very well could be.//content.invisioncic.com/y282845/emoticons/naughty.gif.94359f346c0f1259df8038d60b41863e.gif

5. On the contrary, if the Christian doctrine is true, we have no free will. Follow god and get into heaven, or dont and go to hell, oh gee what a choice . Besides if "god" really is all knowing, he already knows what will happen to us, making everything we try to do in vain since, well, our future is already determined by him.

 

[Hundreth 10+ year member]

This isn't, really, an evolution vs. ID debate......more of an "is ID science" debate. And the answer is a resounding NO. It can not and can never be science or a scientific theory. And, therefore, should not be (and now isn't) allowed in the science cirriculum for the public education system.

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[adio 5,000+ posts]

1. Evolution is NOT random. The organism better suited to a given enviroment lives, unsuited ones die. shizam.
2. Why is a soul necessary for life after death? Maybe the electric impulses that make up our thought processes are our "souls" and are absorbed back into the enviroment after death. I doubt anyone here is dead yet, so we cant say.

3. Right and wrong is determined by society. Look at different cultures, or hell look at out own society 50 years ago. Unless youre saying God changes what is right and wrong from time to time?

4. It very well could be.//content.invisioncic.com/y282845/emoticons/naughty.gif.94359f346c0f1259df8038d60b41863e.gif

5. On the contrary, if the Christian doctrine is true, we have no free will. Follow god and get into heaven, or dont and go to hell, oh gee what a choice . Besides if "god" really is all knowing, he already knows what will happen to us, making everything we try to do in vain since, well, our future is already determined by him.

ok