Wire size argument

[ejschultz 10+ year member]

heres how to settle this......get a piece of 8 gauge and a piece of 1/0. go get your mom and show what dad says is ok to use and show her what you want to use and ask her if SIZE matters.

LOL. //content.invisioncic.com/y282845/emoticons/laugh.gif.48439b2acf2cfca21620f01e7f77d1e4.gif:laugh:

Could be a length vs. girth argument. Make sure they're the same length when you take them to her so she's not biased.

 

[RuinedAng3l 10+ year member]

I think the universal definition of loud has definately changed... I cant think of one 200 watt setup that would be painful to withstand. And ive had several friends run T-line enclosures with 300 watt Memphis amps. Dont get me wrong, they were pretty loud for what it was, and they sounded really good doing it, but it takes serious wattage and amperage to reach the insanity level which is now the definition of loud. I run 4000 watts of RF Power Series amps, which are no lightweights when it comes to current draw, with a 300 amp alt + 2 Kinetic 2400s as a daily. None of my friends can stand it, but i love the "eye socket rattling" bass. There are plenty of members on this site that have insane dailys. And a good number of those members have serious current draw. If the amps were not pulling the amperage, why would people be running dual, triple, and even (very rarely) quad alternators. We'll stay low and say that its 2 200amp alts. Thats 400ampsx12v = 4800 watts. 60% eff would be 2880. 746 true RMS watts will always equal a HP, the definitions havent changed, everythings just been super-sized....

 

[Lakota 5,000+ posts]

Oh sheet.

 

[oldschool4me 10+ year member]

Ya 300 ampsx12V=3600W. Even at 60% efficiency=2160 Watts output. I have 600W in a 12'X25'X8' room and there's no way anyone could stand an album side with it cranked. Your ears would ring for days (or forever). 200W in my K-5 Blazer will also cause pain. Either these people have grossly inefficient speakers or their amp's ratings are, well "new school" Best Buy watts. Put an ammeter on that POS and see what it really draws. There was a time when 746 watts equalled a horsepower.

lol in no way would 200w cause pain. a tingle if your lucky. im an old school audio fan for sure but seriously that statement is retarted. im going to run mu us amp 400x on my subs, mtx thunder 304 for mids, mtx thunder 102 for tweets. all oldschool and very underrated equipment. my 4 ohm rating for all three amps is right at 600w.

400x requires 225 amp fuse

304 fused at 75 amps

102 fused at 20 amps

you do the math.

oh and......album side:hilariou:

 

[McIntosh 10+ year member]

well op daddy should stick to the gitbox and leave this complex hobby to us gifted folk. but seriously he is clueless when it comes to ac/dc comparison and the differance between v and i. 8ga is idealy used in system that doesnt exceed 75 amps, 4ga would be 150, 1/0- 300. now take into account the quality of wire used also. cheap wire would be less than good wire of course.

Gifted? As in short bus? Learn Spanish, you're gonna be driving a forktruck. Jobs reserved for bilingual gifted folk such as yourself. Here's the real ampacity table for your reading:

http://www.coastalelectric.com/Reference/NEC310-16.html

This is from the National Electrical Code. Not Monster, knuconcepts or a snot nosed kid who knows more than all of them combined. I knew everything at 17 (guessing your age) as well. I knew for sure I was smarter than my dad. We all go through that phase. Now that I'm nearly 50 I've gotten a tad wiser. I'll NEVER know what my dad does and will NEVER second guess him. He's been there, done that, and may have a teeshirt to prove it. He doesn't need a teeshirt to prove anything to me. You most certainly don't have to respect me. Respect your elders in general. You will grow to understand what I'm saying. With age comes wisdom. I hope you'll age enough to understand.

 

[RAM_Designs 5,000+ posts]

Gifted? As in short bus? Learn Spanish, you're gonna be driving a forktruck. Jobs reserved for bilingual gifted folk such as yourself. Here's the real ampacity table for your reading:http://www.coastalelectric.com/Reference/NEC310-16.html

This is from the National Electrical Code. Not Monster, knuconcepts or a snot nosed kid who knows more than all of them combined. I knew everything at 17 (guessing your age) as well. I knew for sure I was smarter than my dad. We all go through that phase. Now that I'm nearly 50 I've gotten a tad wiser. I'll NEVER know what my dad does and will NEVER second guess him. He's been there, done that, and may have a teeshirt to prove it. He doesn't need a teeshirt to prove anything to me. You most certainly don't have to respect me. Respect your elders in general. You will grow to understand what I'm saying. With age comes wisdom. I hope you'll age enough to understand.

News flash, people. 1/0 can only handle 100-150 amps of current. I also find it odd that on that list they don't tell you how long the cable is at the specified amperage rating. Either way, it seems like you're saying, Knu, Stinger, Kicker, RF, AB, or ANYONE WHO MAKES CAR AUDIO WIRE is lying about the rating? I also take it that you're saying EVERY amp manufacturer is recommending the wrong size power/ground wire to use with their amps?

Sounds to me like you're the snot nosed kid who thinks they know everything.

 

[oldschool4me 10+ year member]

Gifted? As in short bus? Learn Spanish, you're gonna be driving a forktruck. Jobs reserved for bilingual gifted folk such as yourself. Here's the real ampacity table for your reading:http://www.coastalelectric.com/Reference/NEC310-16.html

This is from the National Electrical Code. Not Monster, knuconcepts or a snot nosed kid who knows more than all of them combined. I knew everything at 17 (guessing your age) as well. I knew for sure I was smarter than my dad. We all go through that phase. Now that I'm nearly 50 I've gotten a tad wiser. I'll NEVER know what my dad does and will NEVER second guess him. He's been there, done that, and may have a teeshirt to prove it. He doesn't need a teeshirt to prove anything to me. You most certainly don't have to respect me. Respect your elders in general. You will grow to understand what I'm saying. With age comes wisdom. I hope you'll age enough to understand.

no it was a joke not meaning mentally challenged as you seem to be lol. and nope not 17, im 32. i dont mind running a fork truck from time to time at $28.02 pr hr + contributions to my benifits so it is = about $47 pr hr, its fine with me. im in the operators union fyi and just finished up a job at the gm plant in lordstown with a company that changed over their lines for the new cruz. and yep ran a fork truck. //content.invisioncic.com/y282845/emoticons/tongue.gif.6130eb82179565f6db8d26d6001dcd24.gif

 

[oldschool4me 10+ year member]

from the looks of the chart i should of used 500mcm //content.invisioncic.com/y282845/emoticons/rolleyes.gif.c1fef805e9d1464d377451cd5bc18bfb.gif

 

[McIntosh 10+ year member]

no it was a joke not meaning mentally challenged as you seem to be lol. and nope not 17, im 32. i dont mind running a fork truck from time to time at $28.02 pr hr + contributions to my benifits so it is = about $47 pr hr, its fine with me. im in the operators union fyi and just finished up a job at the gm plant in lordstown with a company that changed over their lines for the new cruz. and yep ran a fork truck. //content.invisioncic.com/y282845/emoticons/tongue.gif.6130eb82179565f6db8d26d6001dcd24.gif

I'm glad you work for what you're worth. I get a measly $38 an hour plus benefits. I'm an electrician in the IBEW. I wouldn't get out of bed for $47/ hour. Have a nice day.

 

[dman4486 5,000+ posts]

News flash, people. 1/0 can only handle 100-150 amps of current. I also find it odd that on that list they don't tell you how long the cable is at the specified amperage rating. Either way, it seems like you're saying, Knu, Stinger, Kicker, RF, AB, or ANYONE WHO MAKES CAR AUDIO WIRE is lying about the rating? I also take it that you're saying EVERY amp manufacturer is recommending the wrong size power/ground wire to use with their amps?
Sounds to me like you're the snot nosed kid who thinks they know everything.

the reason they do not mention wire length is because the table is for building code(ac) and in general, distance does not matter with AC.//content.invisioncic.com/y282845/emoticons/fyi.gif.9f1f679348da7204ce960cfc74bca8e0.gif

 

[dman4486 5,000+ posts]

Gifted? As in short bus? Learn Spanish, you're gonna be driving a forktruck. Jobs reserved for bilingual gifted folk such as yourself. Here's the real ampacity table for your reading:http://www.coastalelectric.com/Reference/NEC310-16.html

This is from the National Electrical Code. Not Monster, knuconcepts or a snot nosed kid who knows more than all of them combined. I knew everything at 17 (guessing your age) as well. I knew for sure I was smarter than my dad. We all go through that phase. Now that I'm nearly 50 I've gotten a tad wiser. I'll NEVER know what my dad does and will NEVER second guess him. He's been there, done that, and may have a teeshirt to prove it. He doesn't need a teeshirt to prove anything to me. You most certainly don't have to respect me. Respect your elders in general. You will grow to understand what I'm saying. With age comes wisdom. I hope you'll age enough to understand.

your wisdom is flawed and your table applies to ac only. building codes no longer have any relevance to direct current as Tesla has taken over:fyi: you should probably switch your house over to ac old-timer.

 

[RAM_Designs 5,000+ posts]

the reason they do not mention wire length is because the table is for building code(ac) and in general, distance does not matter with AC.//content.invisioncic.com/y282845/emoticons/fyi.gif.9f1f679348da7204ce960cfc74bca8e0.gif

Did you also know that AC doesn't matter when dealing with DC?

I love your whole high-and-mighty attitude on here. I also found it very funny looking at the only two other threads you've started, which are solely about badmouthing the people of the forum for having a different approach to car audio...and then trying to backpedal and apologize in the other. Sorry, but most people don't strive to have a perfectly balanced system where the sub is transparent.

 

[dman4486 5,000+ posts]

Did you also know that AC doesn't matter when dealing with DC?
I love your whole high-and-mighty attitude on here. I also found it very funny looking at the only two other threads you've started, which are solely about badmouthing the people of the forum for having a different approach to car audio...and then trying to backpedal and apologize in the other. Sorry, but most people don't strive to have a perfectly balanced system where the sub is transparent.

//content.invisioncic.com/y282845/emoticons/rolleyes.gif.c1fef805e9d1464d377451cd5bc18bfb.gif...maybe you should go back and read the "threads started" link

and where are these 2 threads you speak of? I have quite a few more than 2.

and try reading my post again feggot. I was answering a question in your post.

 

[alvitae 10+ year member]

Gifted? As in short bus? Learn Spanish, you're gonna be driving a forktruck. Jobs reserved for bilingual gifted folk such as yourself. Here's the real ampacity table for your reading:http://www.coastalelectric.com/Reference/NEC310-16.html

This is from the National Electrical Code. Not Monster, knuconcepts or a snot nosed kid who knows more than all of them combined. I knew everything at 17 (guessing your age) as well. I knew for sure I was smarter than my dad. We all go through that phase. Now that I'm nearly 50 I've gotten a tad wiser. I'll NEVER know what my dad does and will NEVER second guess him. He's been there, done that, and may have a teeshirt to prove it. He doesn't need a teeshirt to prove anything to me. You most certainly don't have to respect me. Respect your elders in general. You will grow to understand what I'm saying. With age comes wisdom. I hope you'll age enough to understand.

Not every one on this site is a snot nosed kid. Some of us have just as much life experience as you. Enough to know that you are a fool and not wise at all. First thing is this is a car audio site and you know nothing of it yet you are spouting off. I take 16000 watts all the time so I doubt your 200 watts in your blazer will hurt to much.

Another thing a fool does is judge or cut someone down because of job or wages. I've known forklift drivers that were better people than a lot of doctors let alone an arrogant electrician. Which believe it or not isn't the pinnacle of the professional world.

Edit: I've actually known a few millionaires who drive forklift. Intel stock options ftw lol.

 

[JimJ 5,000+ posts]

I take 16000 watts all the time so I doubt your 200 watts in your blazer will hurt to much.

He does have a point on that.

10 watts could provide reference SPL levels, provided the transducer was efficient enough (in a car, pretty much limited to HLCDs). At home, even less power is needed. I've heard setups where a half watt of power was enough to be uncomfortable in the room.

Saying 3kW is a "start", as someone else did, just shows that amplifier power is getting cheaper than common sense. Doesn't take more than a couple minutes of scrolling through the "why did my sub blow up" threads to see that //content.invisioncic.com/y282845/emoticons/smile.gif.1ebc41e1811405b213edfc4622c41e27.gif