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Speaking of the ability to make educated decisions...

 

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Encounters means that they are catching and apprehending or catching and deporting immediately.
"To help prevent the introduction of COVID-19 into border facilities and into the United States, persons subject to the order will not be held in congregate areas for processing and instead will immediately be expelled to their country of last transit. In the event a person cannot be returned to the country of last transit, CBP works with interagency partners to secure expulsion to the person’s country of origin and hold the person for the shortest time possible."

Ands while your Chicago PD story is fun, it is much like the strawman Buck introduced by discussing the existence of heinous things that happen to and because of illegal immigration. It has nothing to do with the stats reported by the agencies who are actually handling the work.
It's like saying the US stock market has failed and is fully corrupt because Bernie Madoff screwed all those people over with his Ponzi scheme.

We can discuss this like grownups and address the topic points, or you and Buck can just keep spinning off on tangents and strawmen.
I prefer staying on topic until the topic is resolved.

We can discuss the tactics of the Chicago PD next if you feel like it.

Everything you post is contrary to what people say in the field that actually have to deal with the immigrants. You dont find that odd?

And lets say we come to an agreement that Biden is doing better then Trump on immigration . . . does that mean that Biden is doing good on immigration? And if he is, why is the border still such a mess with no end in sight?

And the poor action at the border is the reason why my Chicago police story exist for the record.

Can your graphs explain that?

 

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Also,

The data you are posting dont tell the whole story either.

The COVID-19 pandemic changed how officials report immigration data. Starting in March 2020, Title 42, a public health policy, allowed border officials to quickly expel people arriving at the southern border to mitigate COVID-19’s spread. (The policy expired May 11.)
"Encounters" data released by U.S. Customs and Border Protection since the policy’s implementation included expulsions under the public health policy and enforcement actions under immigration law, such as apprehensions and determinations of inadmissibility.

Before that, CBP provided only the number of enforcement actions under immigration law.
Because of this tracking change, "it’s not possible" to directly compare "encounters" across administrations "simply because there were no ‘encounters’ during the Obama administration and during the majority of the Trump administration," said John Gramlich, an immigration expert with the Pew Research Center.

The way data was collected from the Obama to Trump administration is different then the way its being collected for the Biden administration.

 

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But why did they all of a sudden choose to collect data differently?........perhaps so it fits the narrative and lies they are trying to push? Huh, strange.........

 

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The stats say your meme is wrong.

 

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Also,

The data you are posting dont tell the whole story either.



The way data was collected from the Obama to Trump administration is different then the way its being collected for the Biden administration.

Can you show us the changes that have been made over time?

And maybe explain why the Trump admin would change in a way that would make the administration seem worse?

 

[Kayge 10+ year member]

Can you show us the changes that have been made over time?

And maybe explain why the Trump admin would change in a way that would make the administration seem worse?

• For Biden’s calculation, Scott’s campaign used two metrics, encounters both at and between ports of entry.
  [*]For Trump and Obama, Scott’s campaign used only encounters between ports of entry.
  [*]For most years, the campaign looked only at data at the southwest border, but for fiscal years 2011 and 2014, it used national data.
  [*]Scott’s campaign didn’t reconcile that federal fiscal years (which span from October to September) can include data for two presidents — a new president is usually inaugurated in late January. So, it included George W. Bush data in its Obama count and Trump data in its Biden count.

 

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What is “Scott’s Campaign”? Who is Scott, and how does he affect the data reported by the agencies that do the actual border patrol, apprehensions, deportations, etc?

How does he affect the Pew Research data that they’ve been doing since 1979?

How does he affect Census Bureau data that is used to determine all immigration population for the past ~120 years?