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[Jimi77 Premium Member]

I guess this is why neoconservatives had to step their game up and knock over displays, harass and threaten employees, etc. I guess speaking with their dollars just wasn't getting the job done. Really what can they do - stop shopping at Target... well Walmart has a Pride Section too.

California investigating whether migrant flight came from Florida

State Attorney General Rob Bonta said that the migrants who were dropped off in Sacramento without any prior arrangements "were in possession of documentation purporting to be from the government of the State of Florida."

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Walmart’s Pride merchandising unchanged as Target sees backlash over new items

Walmart's Chief Merchandising Officer Latriece Watkins said the company's merchandise assortment caters to all different groups all year round and that it has not changed.

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[Jimi77 Premium Member]

AlterNet - Bias and Credibility

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[RobGMN Premium Member]

Three paragraphs. You're an idiot. Show me where I said even one time that I think it should be available through FOIA only. Just one time you nitwit. Now, stfu.

If you think ANY information about a crime should be withheld and available through a FOIA request (or other means other than full public access) AT ALL, then you are advocating for the censorship and control of the info.

It is an irrefutable fact that you stated information should be controlled, and you used FOIA as an example of how the information could be obtained.
Here are your words: "It's just not important for the general public to know. If it is really that important that you just NEED to know then you should be able to get that information through a FOIA request."

Go ahead, deny that you ever posted these words on this forum.
I'll wait.

 

[spokey9 5,000+ posts]

Really? There are lots of manifestos, Mein Kampf lead to ww2. It's about the mood of the nation, how legitimate grievances can be used to incite violence, nationalism, scape goating, cultism, etc, etc, etc.

You can learn about that pretty easy by reading the effects the treaty of Versailles...and how how the the league of nations enforced it...plus there's plenty of literature about the economic collapse Germany was going repaying those debts...it's fairly easy to see why Hitler rose to power without reading his propaganda...

 

[RobGMN Premium Member]

You can learn about that pretty easy by reading the effects the treaty of Versailles...and how how the the league of nations enforced it...plus there's plenty of literature about the economic collapse Germany was going repaying those debts...it's fairly easy to see why Hitler rose to power without reading his propaganda...

So if it was part of the lesson plan, discussion, and testing, you would just ignore it and say "I didn't need to know because I know why Hitler rose to power?"

 

[spokey9 5,000+ posts]

So if it was part of the lesson plan, discussion, and testing, you would just ignore it and say "I didn't need to know because I know why Hitler rose to power?"

It's obvious why he rose the to power...I don't need to read his propaganda to figure that out...you seem awfully proud to have read his book though buddy

 

[ThxOne Premium Member]

I take for what it is, but if you're going to say censorship isn't censorship or that it's the ID'ing of specific groups in mass shootings that is leading to divisiveness in the US, yeah I'm call BS.

Not telling a person's ****** identity is not censorship. Not allowing the information to be known is.

 

[ThxOne Premium Member]

If you think ANY information about a crime should be withheld and available through a FOIA request (or other means other than full public access) AT ALL, then you are advocating for the censorship and control of the info.

It is an irrefutable fact that you stated information should be controlled, and you used FOIA as an example of how the information could be obtained.
Here are your words: "It's just not important for the general public to know. If it is really that important that you just NEED to know then you should be able to get that information through a FOIA request."

Go ahead, deny that you ever posted these words on this forum.
I'll wait.

Go ahead, lie and say you comprehend any of it

 

[Jimi77 Premium Member]

Not telling a person's ****** identity is not censorship. Not allowing the information to be known is.

Oh yeah, that's right the information is suppose to filtered without any sort of mechanism in place to prevent it from being disclosed. Of course that would require journalists "conspiring" to not report that information, which would make it censorship just not gov't censorship. Or perhaps it would become part of journalistic standards (ie the NYT or AP style guide), but then again that would be a form of censorship. But lets just say that some how we can get around the whole censorship issue, we'll call it God's will or magic or whatever other way information could with held from the public without censoring it (although technically even if we put it on God or Wizards, it just means God or Wizards are the ones doing the censoring).

Still doesn't address the fact that regardless of the issue of censorship, the identifying of a killers beliefs doesn't seem to really have any impact on the division in our nation. Ie, I think most of us accept that mass murderers are mass murderers first with their "identities" coming in a distant second.

 

[Jimi77 Premium Member]

You can learn about that pretty easy by reading the effects the treaty of Versailles...and how how the the league of nations enforced it...plus there's plenty of literature about the economic collapse Germany was going repaying those debts...it's fairly easy to see why Hitler rose to power without reading his propaganda...

I didn't say you have to read it. But it certainly should be part of the education - a quick summary on how Mein Kampf propelled Hilter to power. Reading about the effects of the Treaty of Versailles doesn't explain how/why Germany came to blame the Jews, then rounded up the Jews and ultimately prioritized killing as many Jews as possible when faced with losing the war. Reading about the League of Nations harsh treatment of post ww1 Germany doesn't explain Hitler's cult following. The Master Race is in Mein Kampf, not the Versailles Treaty. IMHO, if your Western Civ teacher didn't spend 10-15 minutes or maybe a day or 2 discussing Mein Kampf, then yes your ww2 education is/was lacking.

 

[Jimi77 Premium Member]

Proof positive that biological men don't have an inherent advantage over women in athletics.

 

[RobGMN Premium Member]

It's obvious why he rose the to power...I don't need to read his propaganda to figure that out...you seem awfully proud to have read his book though buddy

I'm not sure what pride has to do with having gone to school and learned what they taught.
Do you consider education a bad thing?
What other topics should I have ignored when they were part of the lesson plan?

 

[spokey9 5,000+ posts]

I didn't say you have to read it. But it certainly should be part of the education - a quick summary on how Mein Kampf propelled Hilter to power. Reading about the effects of the Treaty of Versailles doesn't explain how/why Germany came to blame the Jews, then rounded up the Jews and ultimately prioritized killing as many Jews as possible when faced with losing the war. Reading about the League of Nations harsh treatment of post ww1 Germany doesn't explain Hitler's cult following. The Master Race is in Mein Kampf, not the Versailles Treaty. IMHO, if your Western Civ teacher didn't spend 10-15 minutes or maybe a day or 2 discussing Mein Kampf, then yes your ww2 education is/was lacking.

You're assuming I know nothing about the leap towards atrocities by hitler...everything I listed led the German people to place where they we were open minded about what Hitler had to say...his actions more than demonstrate what he was about...you get a nation destroyed by that treaty...and when they defaulted in I think in '22 had foreign troops come into the industrial centers taking goods as payment...he was a flamboyant speaker who said just enough of what the country was thinking and national pride to be able to mix in his beliefs...it's amazing what a ruined nation will fall for...

 

[RobGMN Premium Member]

Go ahead, lie and say you comprehend any of it

Lie about WHAT exactly? You keep claiming I lie, and then can't provide anything to back up your claim.
That would make YOU the liar.

YOU declared that the ****** identity of a criminal should not be shared with the public via the media unless the media obtains the information through some demonstrated basis of "need".
YOU used the example of getting it through a FOIA request.

Where is the
comprehension" issue that you think I have? Did you or did you NOT say those things?
Answer the question.

Speaking of questions: If you think the media should not be able to get that kind of info without a special request, do you think a jail roster should be publicly available?
If so, WHAT demographics do think should be allowed on the roster?

You see, you refuse to answer the question because it shreds your ridiculous notion that certain demographics about a shooter should be controlled and guarded by some entity, while you also believe that same information is "public".
You hold two completely contradictory views at the same time and have expressed so, and you have no way to reconcile the inconsistent thinking.

 

[RobGMN Premium Member]

You're assuming I know nothing about the leap towards atrocities by hitler...everything I listed led the German people to place where they we were open minded about what Hitler had to say...his actions more than demonstrate what he was about...you get a nation destroyed by that treaty...and when they defaulted in I think in '22 had foreign troops come into the industrial centers taking goods as payment...he was a flamboyant speaker who said just enough of what the country was thinking and national pride to be able to mix in his beliefs...it's amazing what a ruined nation will fall for...

This has nothing to do with your presumption that if Mein Kampf was included as part of a WWII curriculum in history class, that it should have just been ignored.

If it had been part of any history lessons you took in school, would you have simply disregarded it and said "I know why Hitler rose to power; I don't need to learn about this published work by him"?