Winners only.

[ThxOne Premium Member]

People are missing the context of it all and are blinded by their cult like following to their politics. Diesel was over $3g last summer and its now $5.39. The increased cost in fuel will affect every aspect of the supply chain; transportation, manufacturing, processing, running farm equipment, moving goods from china to the US, etc... Every single sector will feel the pinch.

It will only be a matter of time until many hobbies, such as car audio become economically impossible to the ave joe. Heck, the cost of food has almost increased by 50%. My ave food bill per shopping event has gone from $25-30 upwards of $60 or so, and I buy generic and I don't buy junk food.

People need to stop worring about worshiping politicians and celebrities and start focusing on if they can afford to eat, have housing, if they can retire and worry about their retired parents. Retirement and Social Security isn't going up but the cost of being alive is sky rocketing.

Brother, I know exactly what you are saying. You can't reach these people. They think it is a competition and the goal is to be able to say "#winning" as if that improves the quality of life somehow.

 

[Bobbytwonames 5,000+ posts]

You didn't have to fix your spelling mistake... mine was funnier that way.

I always double check my shit. It was up for less than 30 seconds.

 

[ThxOne Premium Member]

I always double check my shit. It was up for less than 30 seconds.

I still saw it lol. We all make mistakes.

 

[ThxOne Premium Member]

I am still wondering why the WORLD is letting Putin do a damn thing. I am pretty sure a .308 could reach out and touch him at a great distance. I am sure with him out of the way, the world would have no problem talking with Russia rationally and working together. All this other shit is accomplishing nothing. What is Russia/Putin going to do with a bombed out and depleted Ukraine? It won't be worth shit as a vacation spot. What's the goal here???

 

[powerlifter405]

We do know the extra line was to bring in extra oil that would be available to multiple refineries.

I cannot find anything to confirm your statement that keystone oil was outbound or how sludgy it is.

Also you make reference to "only about 30-50 ft jobs" however you miss that in the interim, it creates jobs for hundreds, possibly into the thousands of people during the building process which in turn spend that money supporting the local economy. I knew guys making $100/hr driving water trucks and they spent most if it locally.
Why is that a bad thing? Why the dismissiveness of the economic impact? We do know that lays off always negatively impact local economies.

 

[powerlifter405]

I am still wondering why the WORLD is letting Putin do a damn thing. I am pretty sure a .308 could reach out and touch him at a great distance. I am sure with him out of the way, the world would have no problem talking with Russia rationally and working together. All this other shit is accomplishing nothing. What is Russia/Putin going to do with a bombed out and depleted Ukraine? It won't be worth shit as a vacation spot. What's the goal here???

Ukraine has nuclear plants, oil/fuel refineries and plenty of agricultural benefit. Putin doesn't want to destroy these items and keeping them intact is an economic gain to Russia.

Remember Volodymyr Zelenskyy was installed during the obama adminstration and Biden admitted to strong arming Ukraine to a benefit to Bidens cronies.

 

[ThxOne Premium Member]

Ukraine has nuclear plants, oil/fuel refineries and plenty of agricultural benefit. Putin doesn't want to destroy these items and keeping them intact is an economic gain to Russia.

Remember Volodymyr Zelenskyy was installed during the obama adminstration and Biden admitted to strong arming Ukraine to a benefit to Bidens cronies.

Gonna be interesting to see where this goes.

 

[powerlifter405]

 

[powerlifter405]

Zelenskyy is not angel, after his "election" he arrested his opposition party and recently outlawed other other political parties.

Free ukraine "the democracy", a single party state where the president arrests his opponents, which is actually known as a dictatorship.
Its sux but the media and politicians are playing the masses. I'm not a fan of the nazi or communism/putin however I seriously question the political motives.

Sovereign 'Democracy' Ukraine: Zelenskyy Suspends 11 Opposition Parties Becoming Head Of A One-Party State | The Gateway Pundit | by Cassandra MacDonald

Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelenskyy, with the backing of Ukraine's National Security and Defence Council, declared that all opposition parties would be suspended indefinitely until martial law is declared over.

www.thegatewaypundit.com

 

[Firewalker]

My father help built the last refinery ever in the US in Elwood, IL back in 1976 and retired from there as it was a Mobil Oil refinery the 1st Star Refinery ever in the US until Exxon bought out Mobil Oil. They are the worse oil company around. They don't believe in maintenance until it breaks vs Mobil Oil's policy was replace, rebuild long before it ends up that bad. I also used to go out there during the summers as a kid and help out around the Machinist Shop so I ended up with a ton of information besides what he taught me growing up. I have friends still there, family in oil refineries in Texas, I have family that owns Oil Pumps in the south. My dad has been at the refineries that are capable of processing it and we have talked to them recently about all of this. They do not want it, it destroys the equipment like crazy. There is other pipelines those refineries already have access to. Plus it has had multiple leaks since day one here and in Canada. It is expensive to get out of the ground it isn't like say a normal oil rig or oil pump. Stopping China from getting that oil was a good thing. It was being pumped down to the gulf then loaded onto their tankers with Canada getting the money, none of it was staying here.

I also knew quite a few guys who are pipeline workers who were out there as the money was good like every other pipeline job. But they were glad to get away from that job. Pipeline workers always have work somewhere someplace. They didn't stay unemployed for very long. Most of them that I knew were onto another job within a week or two. Couple decided to stay off work for a couple months to enjoy some free time and to be with their families as at least 3 of them had a new baby so they figured screw it help out before heading out back on the job.

Also FYI the reason there hasn't been anymore refineries built since then is not the fault of the EPA even though they get blamed. Oil companies themselves are the reason. Also oil refineries can operate safely at 92% capacity and right now at max they are running 50-60%. Tankers are sitting for 3-4 months before being off-loaded. Right now they do not want more oil out there. That means less profit. They may have lost 500 million a couple years in a row but Exxon and others had billions in profit right after that. It always works out that way.

 

[powerlifter405]

The US embassy admits that the DOD funds biolabs in Ukraine.

Technical Difficulties

ua.usembassy.gov

 

[powerlifter405]

Thanks for the articulated response.
#1 If it was bound for china then I'm less miffed about the shutdown.
#2, Exxon sounds like the government, at every level.

 

[Firewalker]

NP!

Trust me you have no idea!

My dad retired at 55. He knew if he didn't get out of there he would die there with Exxon in control of the plant. It was the best plant in the nation for safety until they took over and everything would break all the time. You can't run a oil refinery like that you just can't. That location is also one of the very few in the world that produces a black tar like substance called "Coke". Back in 2001 every barge that was sitting on the Kankakee River was worth 10-14 million PER Barge! They used to send out anywhere from as little as 3 a week to as much as 6 or 7 a week. All depended on how the coker unit was running. BIG TIME money from that stuff. All because of it being a by-product of oil refining.

People don't realize the amount of by-products that come from refining oil. Every barrel is 42 gallons of gas. Also what happens in Feb, March and parts of April is Spring Turn Around where they are required to do inspections and replace equipment. Plus this is when they switch making the blend of gasoline. They switch to making Summer blends then. In Sept, Oct and 1st part of Nov they are doing the same thing for Fall Turn Around. That is the winter blend they start to make starting in Sept. Gas in your tanks is anywhere from 3-6 months old. Right now Summer blends are starting to show up in gas stations that is another reason gas is going up again plus with Memorial Day and that people are traveling more. Demand is high again.

One way to combat this is for the Oil Companies to increase output from the measly 50-60% they are doing now to the say 70-85% but they won't. More supply equals more gasoline on the market which equals cheaper prices across the board. We will never see gas prices back like we did in the early '90s. At best we "might" see 2-2.50 but only if they increase output and OPEC increases output. Right now with profits in the billions even with say two years of 500 million dollar losses they are happy as hell. They want those gas prices at the pump 4 dollars +.

Sadly until Congress does something about all the tax breaks, mandates that they increase production say under that wartime emergency act or something we are stuck where we are in 4 dollars + per gallon. That and OPEC increasing would drive down the prices as well.

 

[powerlifter405]

I had a co-worker that worked at a local ethanol plant and I gleaned some info on that process. The inside scoop was handy.

Aside from the potential for demand being high because summer is approaching, the cost of gas/diesel has been rising since after the election, as has food, consumer goods, housing etc.. BUT even then, a $0.30 jump in a single weekend, that is not a holiday weekend? There has to be more than just a production limitation occurring.

This administration has been smoke and mirrors since day 1 and they are manipulating several branches with the assistance of the media. Like him or not, I saw a study that showed that literally 100% of coverage by CNN and 99.6% of coverage by MSNBC and CBS of Trump was negative. Remember that when you're told something often enough, you tend to believe it, think the 3 repeat jingle w/ advertising. There has to be more thats going on. Covid is finally shown to come from Wuhan, funded by the NIH and fauci SIGNED off on the "grant", media jingles a new story, Hunter Biden drug and child *** laptop and the media refuses to cover it and jingles new headlines, rising inflation and the WH hires tictok "influencers" to blame russia (think Hitler and Gobels blaming communist). Things are just too strange. Why the liberal fixation on teaching children about ***, etc etc..

The times are weird and its not adding up.

 

[Bobbytwonames 5,000+ posts]

We do know the extra line was to bring in extra oil that would be available to multiple refineries. View attachment 38041

I cannot find anything to confirm your statement that keystone oil was outbound or how sludgy it is.

Also you make reference to "only about 30-50 ft jobs" however you miss that in the interim, it creates jobs for hundreds, possibly into the thousands of people during the building process which in turn spend that money supporting the local economy. I knew guys making $100/hr driving water trucks and they spent most if it locally.
Why is that a bad thing? Why the dismissiveness of the economic impact? We do know that lays off always negatively impact local economies.

Bro it's literally one click away. If you don't want to see it and acknowledge then that is a different story altogether. GTFOH with your bullshitt. Learn how to do some research.