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[RobGMN Premium Member]

I know what I posted, you claim to know better what my post meant than I do.

If you’re posting words that don’t convey what you mean, that’s your error, not ours.

Why do you think talking about past events is relevant to current events? Are you unable to talk in the present?

Ahh, good old Thxone rinse and repeat. Instead of actually arguing or even discussing, fall back on the “history means nothing with regard to the present”.
Except that logic destroys your complaint about inflation. Without history, inflation cannot be calculated and thus doesn’t exist.
If you want to deny history, then you cannot complain about change. Every moment is a brand new start.

Regardless of where you claim the inflation came from I will answer your question as to why Biden should fix what you call a mess when you say Trump caused it but even though it is worse under Biden and you call it a little above optimal, how about because it's his damn job to fix it, not put this country further into debt.

Its a president’s job to fix things
? So Biden has to fix what Trump broke. Therefore, Trump didn’t do his job of fixing things. He broke them.
Debt and inflation are different things.
But inflation is dropping which reduces federal debt.
What is your plan to make inflation drop faster?

Get rid of Biden.

That’s not a plan or a solution. If we ditch Biden, what should the new POTUS do to improve the current decline of inflation?

I don't live in Lexington. Nice try though.

Fine. Cold Spring. $4.29/lb at Meijir.
Or the biggest city of Louisville (since big city = higher cost of living): Also $4.29/lb.

 

[ThxOne Premium Member]

If you’re posting words that don’t convey what you mean, that’s your error, not ours.

So when I made direct statements about what I was doing, to you that didn't convey what I meant? Really? So because YOU refuse to accept my direct statements about my intentions somehow that is MY error? Explain that so it makes sense to sane people please.

Ahh, good old Thxone rinse and repeat. Instead of actually arguing or even discussing, fall back on the “history means nothing with regard to the present”.
Except that logic destroys your complaint about inflation. Without history, inflation cannot be calculated and thus doesn’t exist.
If you want to deny history, then you cannot complain about change. Every moment is a brand new start.

So because I want to talk about current events and not past events in your mind the current events are not relevant. Got it.

Its a president’s job to fix things
? So Biden has to fix what Trump broke. Therefore, Trump didn’t do his job of fixing things. He broke them.
Debt and inflation are different things.
But inflation is dropping which reduces federal debt.
What is your plan to make inflation drop faster?

If there was inflation under Trump it would be what you called acceptable and what has happened since day one of Biden's rule, being that it IS much worse, is out of control and unacceptable. What is my plan to make inflation drop faster? Ok, drop Biden's geriatric *** and get a competent person in the white house and simply not do what Biden is doing. It is not rocket science Rob.

That’s not a plan or a solution. If we ditch Biden, what should the new POTUS do to improve the current decline of inflation?

See above.

Fine. Cold Spring. $4.29/lb at Meijir.
Or the biggest city of Louisville (since big city = higher cost of living): Also $4.29/lb.
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So what year are you looking at for your normal prices? 2016? 2017? Cold Springs IS the Meijer I frequent and I promise you those are NOT current prices. I am about to show everyone here what a lie looks like, what misinformation looks like, what your post really are.

This is today's current price for the ground beef I buy, to wit, what I referenced. Here is a link to the Cold Springs Meijer so that ANYONE can see the current actual prices and not the misinformation posted by you know who. Here is the picture of the ground beef I am speaking about as well.

https://www.meijer.com/shopping/search.html?text=Ground%20beef&sort_order=relevance-descending

 

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[RobGMN Premium Member]

So when I made direct statements about what I was doing, to you that didn't convey what I meant? Really? So because YOU refuse to accept my direct statements about my intentions somehow that is MY error? Explain that so it makes sense to sane people please.

Your direct statements about what you were doing, contradicts the words that you post. So, you are expecting us to interpret the words you post to understand what you claim to be doing

Instead, why don’t you post words that directly indicate what you want to say? That would be a whole lot easier in the long run. Don’t write in a post that you love the color red, but expect us to understand that you really meant you love the color blue. Just say you love the color blue.

So because I want to talk about current events and not past events in your mind the current events are not relevant. Got it.

If you want to complain about inflation, then you must take past events into account. Inflation is a measure of change. You can’t measure change without history. So stop complaining about inflation if you want to forget past events.

If there was inflation under Trump it would be what you called acceptable and what has happened since day one of Biden's rule, being that it IS much worse, is out of control and unacceptable. What is my plan to make inflation drop faster? Ok, drop Biden's geriatric *** and get a competent person in the white house and simply not do what Biden is doing. It is not rocket science Rob.

I’m not the one complaining about inflation. You are. If you are going to complain about inflation under Biden, then you also should have complained about inflation under Trump.
You have still not provided a solution to make inflation rates fall faster. You have said that economists are wrong so, tell us the right way to reduce inflation at a faster rate.
Saying get rid of Biden is not a solution to inflation, anymore than saying if you buy an F1 car, you will become an expert race driver.
Tell us what YOUR plan would be if YOU were elected POTUS.

See above.

So what year are you looking at for your normal prices? 2016? 2017? Cold Springs IS the Meijer I frequent and I promise you those are NOT current prices. I am about to show everyone here what a lie looks like, what misinformation looks like, what your post really are.

Don’t change the goalpost. Look at the price for 80/20, just like when we were all comparing the price of regular unleaded when discussing gas prices over time.

This is today's current price for the ground beef I buy, to wit, what I referenced. Here is a link to the Cold Springs Meijer so that ANYONE can see the current actual prices and not the misinformation posted by you know who. Here is the picture of the ground beef I am speaking about as well.

You never referred to the beef you buy by a fat percentage. I did so all along.
And you also indicate ANGUS beef, which is always going to cost a premium. But just like any other commodity, the price of Angus will follow the trend of regular cattle. No different than the price of high-test following the price of regular.
If paying a dollar more per month for meat than you paid in 2017 is a dealbreaker, you are doing something wrong. Your income should have gone up enough in the past six years to be able to afford it, and then some.
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[ThxOne Premium Member]

Your direct statements about what you were doing, contradicts the words that you post. So, you are expecting us to interpret the words you post to understand what you claim to be doing

No they don't. They clearly state what I was doing. You are the one who made an argument out of it.

Instead, why don’t you post words that directly indicate what you want to say? That would be a whole lot easier in the long run. Don’t write in a post that you love the color red, but expect us to understand that you really meant you love the color blue. Just say you love the color blue.

I questioned them and you. Nothing more, nothing less. You have to create all this crap because you refuse to answer direct questions.

If you want to complain about inflation, then you must take past events into account. Inflation is a measure of change. You can’t measure change without history. So stop complaining about inflation if you want to forget past events.

Again, I am TALKING about inflation, DISCUSSING a topic. You apparently refuse to talk about the current inflation because you know it's Biden's fault so you add in rules that we have to talk about the past too. Why? So you can complain about something. That being Trump.

I’m not the one complaining about inflation. You are. If you are going to complain about inflation under Biden, then you also should have complained about inflation under Trump.
You have still not provided a solution to make inflation rates fall faster. You have said that economists are wrong so, tell us the right way to reduce inflation at a faster rate.
Saying get rid of Biden is not a solution to inflation, anymore than saying if you buy an F1 car, you will become an expert race driver.
Tell us what YOUR plan would be if YOU were elected POTUS.

To not do what Biden is doing and has been doing. How much more clear do you need it?

Don’t change the goalpost. Look at the price for 80/20, just like when we were all comparing the price of regular unleaded when discussing gas prices over time.

The goal post. Give me a break. You don't get to pick my references or the items I am talking about when I give you an example so that you can appear to be correct.

You never referred to the beef you buy by a fat percentage. I did so all along.
And you also indicate ANGUS beef, which is always going to cost a premium. But just like any other commodity, the price of Angus will follow the trend of regular cattle. No different than the price of high-test following the price of regular.
If paying a dollar more per month for meat than you paid in 2017 is a dealbreaker, you are doing something wrong. Your income should have gone up enough in the past six years to be able to afford it, and then some.
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That's right buddy, tap dance and make excuses. What price did I show you? That's right, well over $7 for a pound of beef. I have given you proof, shown you facts and disproved your attempt to discredit my post. You may move on now. I have shown what you do when you "debate" people. You will twist any and everything you can to be right somehow or make them look wrong. Now go away. I am done with you.

 

[RobGMN Premium Member]

No they don't. They clearly state what I was doing. You are the one who made an argument out of it.

I questioned them and you. Nothing more, nothing less. You have to create all this crap because you refuse to answer direct questions.

You provided a defense by attempting to deny he did what he did.
If you think denial is not a defense mechanism, you are wrong.
Let's move on.

Again, I am TALKING about inflation, DISCUSSING a topic. You apparently refuse to talk about the current inflation because you know it's Biden's fault so you add in rules that we have to talk about the past too. Why? So you can complain about something. That being Trump.

To not do what Biden is doing and has been doing. How much more clear do you need it?

OK, let's TALK about inflation. You are sure that all inflation is bad, and that Biden isn't fixing quickly enough the problems that Trump started.
What is your solution? A solution is NOT "do something different". That's as old as the joke where the guy say "Doctor, it hurts when I do this" and the doctor says "don't do that".
You seem to know what Biden is doing wrong, so tell us exactly what would you do instead to speed up the drop in inflation that is already happening. What policies, Executive Orders, etc. would you enact, or what policies, Executive Orders, etc. do you think Biden or a new president should enact to speed up the current state of affairs?
Let's DISCUSS it.

The goal post. Give me a break. You don't get to pick my references or the items I am talking about when I give you an example so that you can appear to be correct.

That's right buddy, tap dance and make excuses. What price did I show you? That's right, well over $7 for a pound of beef. I have given you proof, shown you facts and disproved your attempt to discredit my post. You may move on now. I have shown what you do when you "debate" people. You will twist any and everything you can to be right somehow or make them look wrong. Now go away. I am done with you.

Yes, the goalpost. I can complain that Wagyu is over $200 a pound, or be happy that 73% lean is an awesome price at $3.97 per pound. Or complain that a McClaren is $209,000, or be happy a Mirage is <$17,000.

But I didn't. I compared two of the same grades of ground beef across time. Probably the most commonly purchased grades of ground. I provided something you always cry about, which is CONTEXT.

You simply complained about the price of beef now without any context for that price. I could complain that a TV is expensive today, but in the CONTEXT of pricing, a TV is cheaper than it it has been in pretty much the history of TV. Should I get it for free, or maybe have LG pay me to take one?

So, let's DISCUSS your complaint about the price of beef intelligently.
How much was 85/15 Angus in 2014? 2017? 2020? Reference the same store where you are currently paying $7.79 per pound for 85/15 Angus ground.

 

[ThxOne Premium Member]

You provided a defense by attempting to deny he did what he did.
If you think denial is not a defense mechanism, you are wrong.
Let's move on.

Show me where I denied what HE did. If your defense is saying I attempted to deny then you have nothing but an assumption. You are then arguing your assumptions as an actual action that I took as if it is fact.

OK, let's TALK about inflation. You are sure that all inflation is bad, and that Biden isn't fixing quickly enough the problems that Trump started.
What is your solution? A solution is NOT "do something different". That's as old as the joke where the guy say "Doctor, it hurts when I do this" and the doctor says "don't do that".
You seem to know what Biden is doing wrong, so tell us exactly what would you do instead to speed up the drop in inflation that is already happening. What policies, Executive Orders, etc. would you enact, or what policies, Executive Orders, etc. do you think Biden or a new president should enact to speed up the current state of affairs?
Let's DISCUSS it.

You had you chance at a civil and intellectual conversation. You chose poorly.

Yes, the goalpost. I can complain that Wagyu is over $200 a pound, or be happy that 73% lean is an awesome price at $3.97 per pound. Or complain that a McClaren is $209,000, or be happy a Mirage is <$17,000.

But I didn't. I compared two of the same grades of ground beef across time. Probably the most commonly purchased grades of ground. I provided something you always cry about, which is CONTEXT.

You simply complained about the price of beef now without any context for that price. I could complain that a TV is expensive today, but in the CONTEXT of pricing, a TV is cheaper than it it has been in pretty much the history of TV. Should I get it for free, or maybe have LG pay me to take one?

So, let's DISCUSS your complaint about the price of beef intelligently.
How much was 85/15 Angus in 2014? 2017? 2020? Reference the same store where you are currently paying $7.79 per pound for 85/15 Angus ground.

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I never set goalpost, I gave you the prices then showed you proof of what I was referencing. You don't get to pick my references. You just get to admit I am right and you were wrong in your attempt to sway my example in you favor. Now, this discussion is over. You may move on to a different topic as I am done proving you wrong on this one. You're welcome.

 

[RobGMN Premium Member]

Show me where I denied what HE did. If your defense is saying I attempted to deny then you have nothing but an assumption. You are then arguing your assumptions as an actual action that I took as if it is fact.

"Seems put together and misinterpreted to support a narrative."
Trying to deny the information is true and that Mauch has done what he has done.
"It's all partial quotes. Paints a picture, sure. However, it is missing a lot of context. Without context I don't accept the pictures painted."
Trying to intimate that all the stuff he has written about and done is intentionally being taken out of context to besmirch him in some way.
"So you have seen and heard him speak in person expressing his views or you have just formed your opinion of him from the postings of other people or from videos?"
Attempting the philosphical of debate as to whether something happened if we didn't witness it first-hand.

Three different attempts to deny that Mauch did what he did,
And they are quotes from YOUR posts, so please don't deny their existence even though I didn't witness you typing them on your keyboard

You had you chance at a civil and intellectual conversation. You chose poorly.

I "chose poorly" by referencing factual information in lieu of personal feelings/opinions/beliefs?
Well, I apologize that facts offend you so much that they make you unable to discuss things.
What if I said "I opine that economists know more than you or I do about the economy, and those economists say that inflation is not always a bad thing"? Or maybe "I believe the inflation numbers cited by the Feds are accurate"?

I never set goalpost, I gave you the prices then showed you proof of what I was referencing. You don't get to pick my references. You just get to admit I am right and you were wrong in your attempt to sway my example in you favor. Now, this discussion is over. You may move on to a different topic as I am done proving you wrong on this one. You're welcome.

You complained about the price of ground beef being more than $7.00 a pound. I refuted that number, very specifically referencing 80/20 ground beef, the most commonly purchased version. You complained that I was using 3 lb packages. So I reference 1 lb packages.
You then complained I used the wrong city for the store and you named three stores. So I used those three stores, still referencing the 80/20, and I used stores where you live. Not one was even close top $7.00/lb.
I even go the extra mile for you and reference the actual price and the real price of 80/20 between 2017 and now, so you know that I am providing context as to prices, and not ignoring history.

Only THEN do you decide to say you are referencing ANGUS beef at an 85/15 mix, yet you still refuse to provide any context as to the prices charged in the past at the same stores you demanded be referenced for pricing. For all we know, that same beef was $8.00/lb in 2017.

You refuse to discuss. You refuse to communicate. You refuse to provide context.
And on top of refusing to do any of those things you whine regularly that others don't do, you then think YOU get to decide what topics will or will not be discussed here.
Ironic. And wrong.

The members here will discuss/debate/argue/converse about whatever we want to.
If you don't like it, you can simply watch the action, ignore the thread altogether, or maybe even quit the forum.
Up to you, but you won't be telling ME what I will or will not do here.

 

[ThxOne Premium Member]

"Seems put together and misinterpreted to support a narrative."
Trying to deny the information is true and that Mauch has done what he has done.
"It's all partial quotes. Paints a picture, sure. However, it is missing a lot of context. Without context I don't accept the pictures painted."
Trying to intimate that all the stuff he has written about and done is intentionally being taken out of context to besmirch him in some way.
"So you have seen and heard him speak in person expressing his views or you have just formed your opinion of him from the postings of other people or from videos?"
Attempting the philosphical of debate as to whether something happened if we didn't witness it first-hand.

Three different attempts to deny that Mauch did what he did,
And they are quotes from YOUR posts, so please don't deny their existence even though I didn't witness you typing them on your keyboard

None of that is me denying anything. You are 100% wrong.

I "chose poorly" by referencing factual information in lieu of personal feelings/opinions/beliefs?
Well, I apologize that facts offend you so much that they make you unable to discuss things.
What if I said "I opine that economists know more than you or I do about the economy, and those economists say that inflation is not always a bad thing"? Or maybe "I believe the inflation numbers cited by the Feds are accurate"?

You had a chance.

You complained about the price of ground beef being more than $7.00 a pound. I refuted that number, very specifically referencing 80/20 ground beef, the most commonly purchased version. You complained that I was using 3 lb packages. So I reference 1 lb packages.
You then complained I used the wrong city for the store and you named three stores. So I used those three stores, still referencing the 80/20, and I used stores where you live. Not one was even close top $7.00/lb.
I even go the extra mile for you and reference the actual price and the real price of 80/20 between 2017 and now, so you know that I am providing context as to prices, and not ignoring history.

Only THEN do you decide to say you are referencing ANGUS beef at an 85/15 mix, yet you still refuse to provide any context as to the prices charged in the past at the same stores you demanded be referenced for pricing. For all we know, that same beef was $8.00/lb in 2017.

Kick and scream all you want, stomp your feet and throw a fit. The picture I posted, what is the price for that pound of beef?

You refuse to discuss. You refuse to communicate. You refuse to provide context.
And on top of refusing to do any of those things you whine regularly that others don't do, you then think YOU get to decide what topics will or will not be discussed here.
Ironic. And wrong.

The members here will discuss/debate/argue/converse about whatever we want to.
If you don't like it, you can simply watch the action, ignore the thread altogether, or maybe even quit the forum.
Up to you, but you won't be telling ME what I will or will not do here.

Look at you go... Telling me where I can go. Dictating and dictation are two different things. Stick to the latter.

 

[Buck 5,000+ posts]

 

[RobGMN Premium Member]

So you're suggesting violence as a response to people who know gender is a societal construct, and not simply a description of the *** organs someone is born with?

That's a bit neanderthal, no?

 

[RobGMN Premium Member]

None of that is me denying anything. You are 100% wrong.

Ahhh, must be quotes from that OTHER Thxone's forum account.
Got it.

You had a chance.

Kick and scream all you want, stomp your feet and throw a fit. The picture I posted, what is the price for that pound of beef?

There is no relevanace to the price if you leave out (wait for it) CONTEXT.
If you want to say history means nothing, then the price is simply what it IS and you either pay or you don't. There IS no higher or lower. There IS no change to complain about.
However, if you want to provide CONTEXT and show us what it cost in the past, then we can DISCUSS what that price actually means.

Can you do it, or are we dealing with the Thxone rinse and repeat of tapdancing around, backpedaling, obfuscating, denying, and avoiding true DISCUSSION and CONVERSATION?
Can you tell us why >$7.00/lb for 85/15 Angus bothers you, or is it just a personal opinion in the same light as someone being bothered by the taste of squash?

Look at you go... Telling me where I can go. Dictating and dictation are two different things. Stick to the latter.

I certainly CAN tell you what your options are.
I can tell you your options about a LOT of things.
I can even tell you what world leader's options are for actions they can take.
Welcome to the logic train.

 

[ThxOne Premium Member]

Ahhh, must be quotes from that OTHER Thxone's forum account.
Got it.

None of what I said is denial of anyone doing anything. No matter how much you want it.

There is no relevanace to the price if you leave out (wait for it) CONTEXT.
If you want to say history means nothing, then the price is simply what it IS and you either pay or you don't. There IS no higher or lower. There IS no change to complain about.
However, if you want to provide CONTEXT and show us what it cost in the past, then we can DISCUSS what that price actually means.

Can you do it, or are we dealing with the Thxone rinse and repeat of tapdancing around, backpedaling, obfuscating, denying, and avoiding true DISCUSSION and CONVERSATION?
Can you tell us why >$7.00/lb for 85/15 Angus bothers you, or is it just a personal opinion in the same light as someone being bothered by the taste of squash?

What is the price for that 1lb of beef I posted?

I certainly CAN tell you what your options are.
I can tell you your options about a LOT of things.
I can even tell you what world leader's options are for actions they can take.
Welcome to the logic train.

Like I said, stick to secretary work. What did Tony Montana say about what gives orders? You don't give orders. Got it?

 

[RobGMN Premium Member]

None of what I said is denial of anyone doing anything. No matter how much you want it.

Then you’re not denying or trying to deny he said or did any of those things. All of it is real, accurate, and true.
Fair enough.

What is the price for that 1lb of beef I posted?

To someone making $150K a year, it’s incredibly low. And even lower than 2017 when they were only making $100K a year.

Like I said, stick to secretary work. What did Tony Montana say about what gives orders? You don't give orders. Got it?

Who gave you any orders? I told you what options you might have.
Stick to delivering pizza. Reading and understanding words is definitely not in your wheelhouse.

 

[ThxOne Premium Member]

Then you’re not denying or trying to deny he said or did any of those things. All of it is real, accurate, and true.
Fair enough.

All I stated was that what you posted looked pieced together and so on... you have quoted it, you know what I said. None of what I said is me in anyway saying that man didn't say or do something. I commented on what was posted by people speaking about him. He may have done or said every last bit of what was posted. I don't know. I literally gave my opinion based on my observation of what I read.

To someone making $150K a year, it’s incredibly low. And even lower than 2017 when they were only making $100K a year.

Let me help. $7.79lb. since you can't bring yourself to say it. $7.79lb Rob. Just like I said it was when you decided to call me a liar in your own way.

Who gave you any orders? I told you what options you might have.
Stick to delivering pizza. Reading and understanding words is definitely not in your wheelhouse.

Let me help you as you have just failed in your attempt to call me stupid. To be in a wheelhouse would mean I am in a shelter on a ship. What YOU should have said is it is not my wheelhouse which would refer to my area of expertise.