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[Jimi77 Premium Member]

Do you even have a stance on the border? Do you have a core belief on how border policy should work, or is it just fodder for you to troll online?

I supported Trump's border policies. I liked the cargo container wall in AZ that they're now tearing down. I think they should hammer employers who use illegal labor to reduce demand for illegals to come here. I supported separating families at the border. The Obama era "cages" were acceptable in my eyes. Illegally entering a foreign country should be a dangerous. I'd jail illegals who commit felonies in the US rather than deport them so they could just repeat the cycle. Rather loading illegals on buses and sending them to Washington DC, I'd send them back to Mexico. All for missile strikes against drug cartels (Trump's suggestion).

I'd economically engage Mexico and South America. If we're going to import a bunch of disposable consumer goods, it may as well be from Mexico and SA rather than China.

What should "idiot liberals" do about those dead bodies or is it just fodder for you to troll online?

 

[ThxOne Premium Member]

You like the end numbers when they can support your narrative, but you dislike them when they do not.
You claimed that LBGTQ people are more likely to molest children, then provided links to two different web pages with info that contradicts your claim.
Then you get upset that it's pointed out you posted something AGAINST your own argument.

You don't realize it, but there have been posts made here that give blame to Biden for things that Trump actually did, and you were all on the bandwagon to call Biden a POS. You had no clue at all, but you assumed it supported your narrative, so you went with it.

This is Thunderdome. It's a free-for-all. This is the Biden/Harris Winners only thread. If you hate Biden or Harris or both, and are posting your hatred here, then YOU are the troll.
Post bullshit and false info, and you can be DAMN sure someone is going to call you on it, and crush you when you try to argue back with more bullshit and false info.It's what people do, and I'd bet it's far more prevalent among males (which seems to be the core population here).

If you don't like the results of your actions, you really only have two options: 1) Stop posting bullshit and false info, and trying to argue things that you don't understand 2) Stay out of the thread altogether.
If neither is possible, then you only have yourself to blame every time you get stomped.

Unlike you, I will post information from both sides, good and bad. I told you there is contrary information as well. Here you come though thinking you have to argue. You could have looked at both side and make your own conclusions based on both sides information. But you can't do that can you. You are the one assuming the information you have chosen to accept is correct because it fits your view or helps you argue against opposing views or information. Do you really think that the information you choose by default becomes the correct information???? LOL

"If you don't like the results of your actions, you really only have two options: 1) Stop posting bullshit and false info, and trying to argue things that you don't understand 2) Stay out of the thread altogether.
If neither is possible, then you only have yourself to blame every time you get stomped".

Eat some more diicks Gramps. This IS the Thunderdome and I will post what I please. Facts, lies, truths, bullshit, insults, praise or anything else and if YOU don't like it you can fuck off. lol idiot.

 

[Jimi77 Premium Member]

Our system of corporate oligarchy controlled through veiled threats of regulation is the way to go. Why have government be the oppressors when they can just control corporations and make them the bad guy?

You think the corporate oligarchy is being controlled??? They're the ones writing the legislation and when they don't write the legislation, they buy the legislator who is going to write the legislation.

 

[Eggs 5,000+ posts]

 

[Jimi77 Premium Member]

No. The cartels push them into areas where it’s remote and notoriously dangerous. They are lured here and driven into death, after they paid the Sinaloa’s their life savings at least. Why do you ask what Biden should do about it? I disagree with his “open border” policy to start with, which isn’t actually open border at all. we are literally building an 80,000 sa foot detention center where I live right now. And Tom Tancredos border policy was a joke. It was a dumbed down form of east Germany. Border policy should revert back to 1993, before Clinton closed the border in the first place, then we can work a policy from there.

Tancredo proposed a moratorium on immigration (maybe more political theater than reality) and he wanted the wall before the wall was 'in vogue." Tancredo was labeled a fascist and nazi and was hardliner of the House Immigration Reform Caucus. More recently, he ran on establishing a defense fund to shield local police when they "rat out" illegals to the Feds. The border would be much more secure if Tancredo were in charge of it.

So if it's the cartels/human traffickers luring people here to their deaths how is that the fault of Bumbling Joe and Idiot Liberals? Ultimately, shouldn't the vast majority of the blame rest upon the traffickers and the trafficked?

 

[Eggs 5,000+ posts]

$uicide b0mb cla$$

 

[Jimi77 Premium Member]

I’m just here to troll. I’d rather not even do the work to explain myself to be honest. That takes more time than I’m willing to spend on here. I think I will be just like you guys and post insults and useless compartmentalized graphs to make myself feel intellectually superior instead. That’s much easier than having to tweak my world view by being humble.

So you insult "us" by accusing of us of trolling only to admit that's all you're doing??? You're posts don't strike me as humble. Ironically, they're just useless, compartmentalized and insulting. Welcome to the club.

 

[SlugButter]

Tancredo proposed a moratorium on immigration (maybe more political theater than reality) and he wanted the wall before the wall was 'in vogue." Tancredo was labeled a fascist and nazi and was hardliner of the House Immigration Reform Caucus. More recently, he ran on establishing a defense fund to shield local police when they "rat out" illegals to the Feds. The border would be much more secure if Tancredo were in charge of it.

So if it's the cartels/human traffickers luring people here to their deaths how is that the fault of Bumbling Joe and Idiot Liberals? Ultimately, shouldn't the vast majority of the blame rest upon the traffickers and the trafficked?

First off, it’s our fault as voters. We are the problem, not Joe or Trump. We vote democratically. Second, securing the border statistically makes illegal crossings worse, if you want to go by graphs and charts. When we had an open border and Mexicans could freely travel to and fro for work, they tended to go home. We had less illegal immigration when the border was essentially wide open. Mexico stopped illegal immigration at its own southern border because their citizens would lose jobs that they traveled to in America. Walls don’t work. Policies do. The cartels know American Immigration policy better than anyone on this forum. They only have billions of dollars tied up in border policy.

 

[RobGMN Premium Member]

Why would you defend Biden on the border then? Do you want Biden to be a better Republican on the border? Are you actually saying that Trump was a better liberal on border policy? Do you actually have any beliefs that matter when you vote, or are all your beliefs BS just to support your elitist political religion? Your core beliefs are apparently nonexistent, which makes your collection of “facts” essentially as useless as the Bible.

I believe that if facts and stats are going to be used to evaluate one person (POTUS, in this case), then they should be used equally to evaluate all of them.
If you consider using facts and figures to evaluate a POTUS (instead of feelings and beliefs) as "elitist political religion", so be it.
When you do your taxes, just complete the form based on your feelings and beliefs. When you pay your credit card bill, pay what you feel you should pay. When you fill up your tank, give them what you feel is a fair price. See how it works our for you. At least you won't be "elitist".

Here are some facts and stats.
*The POTUS doesn't control the stock market, but every Trump Thumpers talk about "record stock market" under Trump. Well, it's better under Biden. Give credit to Trump? Then give credit to Biden.
*People talk about "Tough border policy" under Trump. Well, the numbers prove Biden is tougher.
*People say "Biden raised gas prices by making Russia go to war". Well, Trump actually made a move to try to directly force gas prices up when he demanded Saudi cut production in 2020.
*People claim the Democrats are here to take our guns. Gun laws actually relaxed under Obama, got stricter under Trump, and have done nothing under Biden. But Trump is Pro-2A.
*Trump claimed the "greatest economy in history". One factor in the economy is wages. From 2017-2020, wages went up ~10% in those 3 years (I'm ignoring 2021 due to pandemic in 2020, even though there was still some growth). Wages grew ~9% in Biden's FIRST year.
Another factor is GDP. The highest increase in GDP under Trump was 5+%. Under Biden, it has been 10+%. Yes, the pandemic affects that, but the GDP "only" declined 2+% from the pandemic. If we factor that in to growth under Biden, his GDP growth of 8% is better than Trump's.
*People say the Democrats are trying to take away the right to free speech b/c privately-owned websites are censoring members, yet Republicans want to ban books from PUBLIC libraries, and Trump wanted to make private website owners liable for damages based on what people posted on the website (thereby FORCING the owners to censor people in order to protect themselves from lawsuits).
*People say Trump was tough on crime. But we saw the highest crime rates we have seen since 2010 during his admin. Crime has dropped since Biden took office.

This is the type of stuff people should be considering when evaluating a POTUS. Not hype. Not false claims. Not feelings or personal beliefs. Not Facebook/Twatter/Instagram/TruthSocial/CarAudioForum, et al. Look at facts, statistics, empirical evidence, historical data, and THEN make a decision.

But, that seems far too much work. It's a lot easier to believe "I will build a wall, and Mexico will pay for it" than "while I was in office, illegal immigration attempts rose 1,320% but apprehensions only went up 50%. The growth rate of attempts has greatly declined under Biden, but apprehensions have still gone up dramatically". It's easy to believe "I will fix the healthcare system" when you WANT to believe it, even when spoken by a man who bankrupts a CASINO (OK, three. But one was tits-up after its first year in business).

Facts often get in the way of a narrative. And feelings. And beliefs.

 

[SlugButter]

I believe that if facts and stats are going to be used to evaluate one person (POTUS, in this case), then they should be used equally to evaluate all of them.
If you consider using facts and figures to evaluate a POTUS (instead of feelings and beliefs) as "elitist political religion", so be it.
When you do your taxes, just complete the form based on your feelings and beliefs. When you pay your credit card bill, pay what you feel you should pay. When you fill up your tank, give them what you feel is a fair price. See how it works our for you. At least you won't be "elitist".

Here are some facts and stats.
*The POTUS doesn't control the stock market, but every Trump Thumpers talk about "record stock market" under Trump. Well, it's better under Biden. Give credit to Trump? Then give credit to Biden.
*People talk about "Tough border policy" under Trump. Well, the numbers prove Biden is tougher.
*People say "Biden raised gas prices by making Russia go to war". Well, Trump actually made a move to try to directly force gas prices up when he demanded Saudi cut production in 2020.
*People claim the Democrats are here to take our guns. Gun laws actually relaxed under Obama, got stricter under Trump, and have done nothing under Biden. But Trump is Pro-2A.
*Trump claimed the "greatest economy in history". One factor in the economy is wages. From 2017-2020, wages went up ~10% in those 3 years (I'm ignoring 2021 due to pandemic in 2020, even though there was still some growth). Wages grew ~9% in Biden's FIRST year.
Another factor is GDP. The highest increase in GDP under Trump was 5+%. Under Biden, it has been 10+%. Yes, the pandemic affects that, but the GDP "only" declined 2+% from the pandemic. If we factor that in to growth under Biden, his GDP growth of 8% is better than Trump's.
*People say the Democrats are trying to take away the right to free speech b/c privately-owned websites are censoring members, yet Republicans want to ban books from PUBLIC libraries, and Trump wanted to make private website owners liable for damages based on what people posted on the website (thereby FORCING the owners to censor people in order to protect themselves from lawsuits).
*People say Trump was tough on crime. But we saw the highest crime rates we have seen since 2010 during his admin. Crime has dropped since Biden took office.

This is the type of stuff people should be considering when evaluating a POTUS. Not hype. Not false claims. Not feelings or personal beliefs. Not Facebook/Twatter/Instagram/TruthSocial/CarAudioForum, et al. Look at facts, statistics, empirical evidence, historical data, and THEN make a decision.

But, that seems far too much work. It's a lot easier to believe "I will build a wall, and Mexico will pay for it" than "while I was in office, illegal immigration attempts rose 1,320% but apprehensions only went up 50%. The growth rate of attempts has greatly declined under Biden, but apprehensions have still gone up dramatically". It's easy to believe "I will fix the healthcare system" when you WANT to believe it, even when spoken by a man who bankrupts a CASINO (OK, three. But one was tits-up after its first year in business).

Facts often get in the way of a narrative. And feelings. And beliefs.

What is your belief on what border policy should be? Is it just what any ole democrat who hates republicans enough believes? Or do you have one of your own? You view everything through a prism of hate. You’re exactly the type of person that could be fooled by basically anything. You’re a jello democrat. You’re the reason why we have no standards for our candidates and elect cantaloupes to run our country.

 

[RobGMN Premium Member]

Unlike you, I will post information from both sides, good and bad. I told you there is contrary information as well. Here you come though thinking you have to argue. You could have looked at both side and make your own conclusions based on both sides information. But you can't do that can you. You are the one assuming the information you have chosen to accept is correct because it fits your view or helps you argue against opposing views or information. Do you really think that the information you choose by default becomes the correct information???? LOL

"If you don't like the results of your actions, you really only have two options: 1) Stop posting bullshit and false info, and trying to argue things that you don't understand 2) Stay out of the thread altogether.
If neither is possible, then you only have yourself to blame every time you get stomped".

Eat some more diicks Gramps. This IS the Thunderdome and I will post what I please. Facts, lies, truths, bullshit, insults, praise or anything else and if YOU don't like it you can fuck off. lol idiot.

You are flat out saying you don't like being called on your bullshit and false info, but will continue to post it so that you can be called on it. That's weird.

I don't "choose to accept" facts. Do you think 2+2=4 because I "choose" to accept it as fact?

Maybe that's why you fail at so many arguments here: You think your personal decision to accept or not accept a fact somehow provides the necessary validation.
Is that why you argued for dozens of posts that bones have no nerves in them? Because you CHOOSE not to accept the fact that they do?
Is that why you argued for dozens of posts that Biden sets gas prices? Because you CHOOSE not to accept the fact that he doesn't?

Sorry kid, but your choice to accept or reject a fact doesn't change the fact in any way.
Choose to reject the fact that gravity exists and will cause you to hit the pavement at up to 120MPH when you jump off a building. We'll see if your choice has any effect when you splatter.

 

[RobGMN Premium Member]

What is your belief on what border policy should be? Is it just what any ole democrat who hates republicans enough believes? Or do you have one of your own? You view everything through a prism of hate. You’re exactly the type of person that could be fooled by basically anything. You’re a jello democrat. You’re the reason why we have no standards for our candidates and elect cantaloupes to run our country.

A "prism of hate"? Why do you Conservapubs always think critical analysis is such a bad thing? Is it because it ruins your ability to just believe and follow like sheep? Is it because people who think critically are harder to control? Is it because it pokes so many holes in feelings, beliefs, faiths?
A combo of all three?

Facts don't care about "like" or "hate" or "feelings" or "beliefs". They are just facts.
Feel free to tell me what I have presented in any argument that was something that "fooled me". I am genuinely interested, and I know you must have at least one example or you would not have made such a claim.

My opinion on border policy is that someone who wants to get into this country should do it legally. I support immediate deportation for anyone who enters illegally and is caught, unless they can prove that they are true asylum-seekers.
We should also take action against the businesses that employ illegals, as this encourages the problem. The catch-22 is that much of the employment is farming, which we already subsidize heavily with tax funds. When the farmers have to pay a US living wage to the workers, that will just be coming out of our pockets as tax dollars, increased good prices, or both.

 

[SlugButter]

We should send Rob down to judge who is a “true asylum” seeker. Lol. They’re all asylum seekers genius, and most countries have no reciprocity. I see someone has the word salad down to appear they have a real opinion. .

 

[Jimi77 Premium Member]

First off, it’s our fault as voters. We are the problem, not Joe or Trump. We vote democratically. Second, securing the border statistically makes illegal crossings worse, if you want to go by graphs and charts. When we had an open border and Mexicans could freely travel to and fro for work, they tended to go home. We had less illegal immigration when the border was essentially wide open. Mexico stopped illegal immigration at its own southern border because their citizens would lose jobs that they traveled to in America. Walls don’t work. Policies do. The cartels know American Immigration policy better than anyone on this forum. They only have billions of dollars tied up in border policy.

I haven't posted any graphs or charts about illegal crossings, nor have I blamed Joe or Trump. You're the one who was ranting about idiot liberals and currently Bumbling Joe is the king of the idiot liberals.

I'm all for tight border policy. If the border is left open, then immigrants will go/stay where it's convenient for them. I suggest the best policy would be to start deporting and start holding employers responsible (walls will always be circumvented). IOW make it inconvenient to stay here. Trump seemed willing to deport, and was willing to make getting across undesirable. He wasn't willing to drop the hammer on employers using illegal labor. Maybe if/when manufacturing is brought back to America, then an open border policy makes sense. Currently, I think it should be much more difficult to illegally immigrate here.

 

[Jimi77 Premium Member]

We should send Rob down to judge who is a “true asylum” seeker. Lol. They’re all asylum seekers genius, and most countries have no reciprocity. I see someone has the word salad down to appear they have a real opinion. .

That's not accurate. There are "true" asylum seekers. Ie this fellow would be a true asylum seeker. Coming here for a better job or lifestyle doesn't make one an asylum seeker. Coming here because you'll be jailed/killed (for your political beliefs as opposed to a crime) if you remain in your native country is asylum. So we don't need to send Rob to the border; there should is system of attorneys and judges dealing with the issue, however, that system is clearly broken.