where is my high bass :|?

[SlammeD_SiR 10+ year member]

well my hu does have a crossover, i didnt set it but i remember extending it as far over as it could go for the sub

 

[bri487 5,000+ posts]

most likely all in the box.

 

[Volenti 10+ year member]

anybody got t/s data on em?
could be inductance related rolloff..

Loyd L.

Le is only 0.54mH with the coils in paralell, the one I did in a sealed enclosure didn't seem to do >60hz very loud either, it does have a large Mms though, ~400g (14oz), could be a mechanical rather than an electrical rolloff.

 

[Fast1one 10+ year member]

frontstage is stock honda

That should be a HUGE sign bud....upgrade your front stage. Deaden your doors for some midbass //content.invisioncic.com/y282845/emoticons/wink.gif.608e3ea05f1a9f98611af0861652f8fb.gif Cross them over atleast at 80hz if not lower....

 

[yacob.naif 10+ year member]

it's the sub, type-x's don't have very good high-end extension

it's a SPL sub in the respect that it will take a BEATING, and gets **** loud

but...

it's a SQ sub in the respect that it's optimized to play SUB-bass extremely well, and completely transparently at any volume

the type-x is a SQL in it's truest form. most SQL subs are still a tradeoff between quality and loudness which are equally gained and lost according to installation, and of course volume. the type-x is a whole different concept, tho, it's truly a SQL sub, it can play EXTREMELY loud, and stay EXTREMELY clear, the tradeoff is that it can only play ~50hz and down with much authority...

I thought the type-x sounded like crap when i first got mine, until i got my front stage installed correctly. You NEED NEED NEED midbass to accompany these subs!

People (myself included) make the mistake of thinking the type-x's aren't loud, but that's not true, a more correct statement would be that most people (myself included again) have no idea what a subwoofer is supposed to sound like. when you get in someone's car, and the subwoofer is actually drowning out the music, that's midbass....

Competition setups, and low-end subs (for completely different reasons) are both designed to hit midbass notes, not sub-bass. SPL setups because true sub-bass doesn't meter well, and lowend subs because they're low-excursion, and because, most simply, that's what MOST people want.

But speakers, like anything that's in a niche market, are all about tradeoffs. In the case of the type-x, it's SUB BASS loudness and quality. You can turn these subs full-blast and still hear your music fine, it's not because they're not loud, it's because they'er playing different freq's than your components. They're supposed to.

You can get subs that will hit just as low, as well as have high-end extension, but none will get as low, loud, and clear as the x, you just need to go elsewhere for the high-end excursion.

Plan out your entire system before you touch your wallet next time, you really need to know exactly what you want from your system before you buy any component.

 

[SlammeD_SiR 10+ year member]

very well said, i was accually thinking that lastnight when i was talking to my friend

because i noticed on some songs it would rumble the shit out of my car

i was planning on going a whole type x system wit the frontstage too, so far i went all alpine. going wit the midbass should help on the house songs?? i really wanted that peircing bass but the only songs i hear the woofer hit dirty notes is when i pop in the rap cds

 

[SlammeD_SiR 10+ year member]

yo heyman, do u have ur x in a sealed or ported box?

 

[yacob.naif 10+ year member]

ya, you ever notice you can never get the x's "loud" but then when you get out of your car, you can't hear shit, and you feel like you're gonna pass out, it took me a while to figure out what was going on..

i had them in a ported box, 2.0cf per driver tuned @30hz.

try turning your lowpass filter down to ~60hz, see if that doesn't help your output tremendously

and try out lots of different songs, when you find songs that hit hard on these, things, you'll get hooked. check out this one, it's gauranteed to please, and then you can try it on your friends' systems, and laugh when it can't hit low for %#$@ http://www.realmofexcursion.com/audio/Bassotronics/bassotronicswithbassmekanik.mp3

wow, that link abbreviated hillariously

 

[CBFryman2 5,000+ posts]

whats your lowpass filter set at ? should be around 80 hz or so

lowpass filter should be set acording to the setup. Mine is set a 60 because i have decently flat midbass down to 70-80Hz and because my slope is only 12 db/octave which means by 75Hz its only down 3dB.

 

[yacob.naif 10+ year member]

i actually just discovered yesterday that setting your lowpass too high can detract from your lows, that should be in a sticky somewhere....

having my high pass set at 80 never hurt anything with the x's, because they're basically mechanically limited to 60 or so, where they drop off rapidly, but when i swapped in l7's for the summer, i couldn't seem to get low....

then after hours and hours of frustration, i discovered it was that my low pass was set too high, and the speaker trying to play the full bandwidth from 28hz to 80hz was killing my low output....

good tip ^^ wish i would have read that a few days ago //content.invisioncic.com/y282845/emoticons/smile.gif.1ebc41e1811405b213edfc4622c41e27.gif

i always though that 80hz was the one-size fits all, now i know

 

[gl0ck 10+ year member]

boom type X dont like the highs expecially in a sealed box.

 

[SlammeD_SiR 10+ year member]

i accually listened too some songs that really banged hard today, n they sounded greatt.

now heres my one problem i got wit these subs, which makes me want to sell it.

i listen to alot of techhouse and i really cant get that peircing feeling when the bass hits.

by adding the midbass should i get the hard hitting pericing bass for electronic???

but for the low end bass on rap song, amazing i had my car rumbling, i really dont want to sell them //content.invisioncic.com/y282845/emoticons/frown.gif.a3531fa0534503350665a1e957861287.gif

edit: not to mention the drum n bass, i wass suprised it wasnt hitting hard for the jungle

 

[zachzchw 5,000+ posts]

Might not solve your problem, but you need to set your gain properly.

 

[SlammeD_SiR 10+ year member]

i actually just discovered yesterday that setting your lowpass too high can detract from your lows, that should be in a sticky somewhere....
having my high pass set at 80 never hurt anything with the x's, because they're basically mechanically limited to 60 or so, where they drop off rapidly, but when i swapped in l7's for the summer, i couldn't seem to get low....

then after hours and hours of frustration, i discovered it was that my low pass was set too high, and the speaker trying to play the full bandwidth from 28hz to 80hz was killing my low output....

good tip ^^ wish i would have read that a few days ago //content.invisioncic.com/y282845/emoticons/smile.gif.1ebc41e1811405b213edfc4622c41e27.gif

i always though that 80hz was the one-size fits all, now i know

probably y i didnt hear shit when i was ****in wit my low pass lol

 

[CBFryman2 5,000+ posts]

i actually just discovered yesterday that setting your lowpass too high can detract from your lows, that should be in a sticky somewhere....
having my high pass set at 80 never hurt anything with the x's, because they're basically mechanically limited to 60 or so, where they drop off rapidly, but when i swapped in l7's for the summer, i couldn't seem to get low....

then after hours and hours of frustration, i discovered it was that my low pass was set too high, and the speaker trying to play the full bandwidth from 28hz to 80hz was killing my low output....

good tip ^^ wish i would have read that a few days ago //content.invisioncic.com/y282845/emoticons/smile.gif.1ebc41e1811405b213edfc4622c41e27.gif

i always though that 80hz was the one-size fits all, now i know

Very Good Tip/Point

Also, if your sub has high inductance (like my Ava or your type X) and falls off up high it is normally because of impeadance rise. Impeadance rise means greater impeadance for the entire signal. So if your driver is tring to play 100Hz and 30Hz at the same time and the 100Hz is causing an impeadance spike you will loose the 30Hz output as well. //content.invisioncic.com/y282845/emoticons/smile.gif.1ebc41e1811405b213edfc4622c41e27.gif