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Great Thread! It's great to have resources like this just starting out.

Let's try to get a few basics under our wing: Watts is a measurement of power...which can do many things...power a speaker, make an electric motor spin...anything. So, when you see power ratings, they really don't tell you anything. As stated above, RMS power is a little better way to look at amps, but the only true way to see if an amp is any good is to listen to it. It doesn't matter what an amp says it will do, if it doesn't sound good, it doesn't matter!

A good amp will have plenty of power, it all depends how much you decide to use, kinda like your car engine. If you have a Honda (Honda drivers...don't respond, this is just an example) and you are trying to pull a 5,000 LB load, you will have to use plenty of RPMs to move that load. This is a simple example, but pulling that same load with a beefy Chevy V8 will require much less RMP. You amps work much the same way: If you get an amp that will give you, say, 300 watts, and you use all 300 watts, it will sound like complete crap. Get an amp that has 600 watts RMS if you really need 200 watts.

Now, other things to concider: what is the frequecy response of the amp. What if you are trying to run a sub, in a tuned enclosure, from 20hz to 80hz, and your amp has a frequecy response of 80hz to 14,000hz. It won't matter how many watts you have, you will get no bass whatsoever from your sub.

Then there is damping factor: basically, in simple terms, this is the amps ability to return the speaker to zero before starting the next wave. Higher is better.

Then there is that impedance thing mentioned above: the load that you present to the amp, 8 ohm, 4 ohm, 2 ohm, 1/2 ohm will cause the amp to react and produce power differently. Most car audio amps run best (which should say SOUNDS BEST) at 4 ohm stereo (or 8 ohm mono.) The distortion here is much, much lower than at the lower impedances.

Most of the cheap power amps (we have all seen 1,000 watts for $150) don't tell you the whole story 'cause they know most people associate loud music with lots of watts. This is so untrue, but they make lots of money selling big watt crap-amps.

Go to your local stereo shop. Ask to hear the cheapest or worst amp they have on some really good speakers. Put in some of your music an just rock out...really push the system. Then ask the sales-dork to put on the best amp. Do the same test. You will hear a difference.

Don't be afraid to buy an amp that sounds good, but does not have as many watts as your friends. There are many really good amps out there that do not cost too much. And don't worry that your system is not the loudest out there...build it for yourself and don't worry about the crowds...there will ALWAYS be a better system out there, 'cause there will always be someone with many more dollars.

Keep asking questions...the resources we have today are just awesome...take everything with a grain of sand, and learn a little bit from everyone.

 
Originally posted by unard riiiiiiiiight....ummm...give me an example of what i would see on the box if i were to buy an amp.

 

my uncle wants to give me two punch 45 watts....but thats all i know right now.....is that a good amp .......if you know punch


Are those the really old hd lines. like before the dsm style? If so man those thing are bullet proof!!!! I don't remember the actual wattage output but I guarantee it's wayyyyyy over 45 per channel.

 
Originally posted by RMKrider1 Are those the really old hd lines. like before the dsm style? If so man those thing are bullet proof!!!! I don't remember the actual wattage output but I guarantee it's wayyyyyy over 45 per channel.
my uncle said that they were old. and i seen one my friend had the other day but his was 50. yeah it looked pretty solid. metal with the lines i think.........

so are you saying my uncle doesn't know the power or that it will put out a lot more that 45 wats.

 
Those Punch 45's are some of the best amps ever produced. I had one that I ran a whole system on about 12 years ago. I want to say that it had some decent power in the left and right channels, I was running Dynaudio 6 1/2 inch mid bass/range speakers and some Dynaudio soft dome tweeters. I also had a pair of 10" Punch subs running off the mixed-mono channel (I want to say left positive and right negative) all with passive crossovers and it did well enough to bring home several trophies in IASCA events...

 
sounds pretty good to me. I cant wait to test them out. i am thinking that i will have the best system in town. i dont know much about audio, but my uncle does and he is done with the boom. he says "he is tired of all that fuss." riiiight. but so what, he has a lot of good ...free....stuff so........

 
BTW, an Ohm is a measurement of electronic resistance. If you want, ask your physics or Electronics teacher about it. Its a Fundamental Principle.

if something has low electrical resistance, it will have more power with higher distortion/electronic noise, A high Ohm value will Put through less power with less distortion/Noise.

Basically, If you just want a system that is loud as hell with no sound quality, buy an amp with very low Ohm rating and wire your subs low, if you want Sound Quality with not much loudness (SPL) then wire the subs at 4 or 8 ohm with a respective amp....

IASCA Already said that last part, sorry for the repeat.

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As was just stated, it's one of the physical properties of Ohm's Law that causes the distortion of an amplifier to rise as the resistance is lowered. There is really only one choice: get a larger amp to get louder sound with better sound. When you hear cars that really sound good, you'll most often notice that they have a plenty of watts of power, and are probably running those amps at a fairly high ohm load (4 ohm or better) and they are not pushing those amps to the limit.

In the system that has been described in this thread, I would take one of the amps and run it left and right, to a pair of mid/tweets, and run the other amp mono to a pair of subs with an 8 ohm load presented to the mono channel. Sure...there will be plenty of guys (and gals for that matter, my wife had a Grand National with compression drivers, 6 midbass and 4 12's with over 800 watts...but I digress) who will have louder systems, but just remember that you will have to listen to your's everyday, and you might as well listen to good sound.

 
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