What do I do?

To fibreglass, it is best to have a well ventilated and warm area. It stinks real bad (respirator is needed) and needs a warm environment to properly cure. To start, do some (actually lots) of research into materials and methods. Alot of the various car audio sites have forums for this topic. http://www.the12volt.com is one and I'm pretty sure this site has one as well (new member, so do not know for sure).

A good way to start and get an idea how to do this is to make a mold of something. Take your kick panel out of the vehicle. Cover the entire kick panel (front and back) with aluminum foil or a plastic bag, masking tape whatever. You need to make a solid but smooth barriere between the panel and your mold. Fibreglass and resin generally does not stick to plastic bags or masking tape, this is why you see it being used in the pictures that you saw. Get your fibreglass mat and cut it into smaller easy to work with pieces. Mix your resin with the appropriate catalyst (hardener). The more catalyst you use, the hotter (literally) the mixture will become, the tradeoff is you must work way faster. Once the resin has started to gel it is pretty much useless. A way hot mixture can gel in 1 minute. Not enough catalyst and the mold will not set up. Do not mix the resin/hardener in styrofoam or paper cups, it will eat right through. Mix it in a plastic pepsi bottle bottom or a tin can. Use rubber gloves. You will need acetone to clean things. Lay the first layer of matting over your covered panel, pour some mixed resin onto it. Spread it and force it into the matting with a paint brush, you will see the matting change color and start to weigh down against the panel. Work any air bubbles out towards the edge. Apply a second layer of mattting and work it into the first. Let the mold setup for 1/2 hr or more and then check on it's progress. It may be hot, but it should be solid enough to release from the panel.

It can be trimmed with a really sharp knife or a dremel tool. I would not try this on a car panel first, try it on a piece of wood or something else, remember that you are only going to work on one side and maybe the tops or bottoms where it bends around something, do not try and do the back at the same time. It is covered so that your mold does not (and it will if it not covered) adhere to it. Go give it a try but be ready for sticker shock when it comes to resin, acetone and all the other materials. And again, do lots of reading first.

 
1. How can I take out the kick panel??? It looks impossible to do - I'll take a picture today and post it later. Matter fact I'll take pictures of the whole area and the q-logic kick panel if that'll make it easier to understand what's necessary for me to do.

2. I think I now understand the actual process of fiberglassing, but still how do I get the fiberglass mold attached to the q-logic kick panel? The process I'll follow will yield the base of the kick panel - still gotta use that q-logic kick panel since it costed $900.

3. Since you said you need a warm,ventilated place, does that mean I can't do it in the near future? Here in chicago it's snow and stuff and cold and I don't have a garage where I live.

4. Your estimate of 1/2 hour - is that including the time it takes to fiberglass and for it to harden? Since I'mma be doing this out on the street, I wanna spend as less time as possible inside the car.

5. I read in another thread you mount it using dry-wall screws, but do I really have to??? I would really hate putting holes in the floor especially if I decide to change my mind. (same thing goes for the amp and the box)

6. How much do I need...

- fiberglass resin ($6.99 a pint)

- fiberglass mat ($4.99 per square yard)

- hardener (is that it's technical name - don't wanna look stupid when I go to a store and the guy'll say that could mean a million different things) ($3.89 for 44 cc)

(prices are from ace's site - didn't know it was that cheap!)

oh yea - this one shop told me he would do it for $70 - if this stuff doesn't work out (in the near future) - I might have to go with it. Cause I've already had this stuff sittin around for a week...

 
ok, here's some pictures of the area and stuff:

it's geocities so you gotta open a new window and copy&paste the address...if html was allowed on this forum it'd be a lot easier...or just go here

http://www.geocities.com/xxinfamisxx/Front_Of_QForm.jpg

http://www.geocities.com/xxinfamisxx/Inside_Q_Form.jpg

http://www.geocities.com/xxinfamisxx/Driver_Kick_Panel_Area.jpg

http://www.geocities.com/xxinfamisxx/Passenger_Kick_Panel_area.jpg

http://www.geocities.com/xxinfamisxx/Driver_Area_With_qform.jpg

http://www.geocities.com/xxinfamisxx/Passenger_Area_With_qform.jpg

http://www.geocities.com/xxinfamisxx/View_From_Drivers_Side.jpg

Is that where they're supposed to go? leaning against the carpet and the kick panel area?

 
Back the bus up, you paid $900.00 for Q-logic kick panels, no offence dude but how does you a$$ feel. These sell in Canada for $199 a pair. It sounds like someone took advantage of your situation. Do not attempt to fibreglass in the cold or add too much hardener to compensate, all this does is make the resin burn and end up being brittle. You need it to be warm in order to do a good job.

 
yea I'mma go head and get it done at the shop; dude's chargin 70; I gotta make sure we both have the same thing in mind as to what's to be done. He didn't speak a lot of english, and I only showed him the q-logic kick panels. didn't even look at the car or the inside of it - but it's my only option as of now based on the fact that you can't fiberglass in winter.

 
Oh well, not what I expected. The shop was supposed to fiberglass them, but the guy who gave me a quote (of $70) didn't know what was involved or what he was talking about; when the people who actually do the install got there, they were like "fiberglass??? In this weather??? [etc]"

So basically what they did was mount the qforms on the door (check my gallery). Can't hardly open the glove box, and when you feel the air from a speaker right on your leg, it kind of makes me uncomfortable cause I don't wanna block it. Also the passenger side rattles like hell on bass. The driver side is perfectly fine with regards to rattling; none whatsoever. However, how they positioned it, I loose a lot of treble and it just feels like a midrange/bass set.

Also, they threw away the unused stuff from the cdt set which I was mad as hell about especially since I'm not happy with the current setup. Basically they flush mounted the tweeters in the qlogic qform and used the qform-supplied grilles and not the cdt grilles. So when I went back today and said I need that stuff back, I bet the guy hated me cause he had to go through the garbage. And not a garbage can; a big outside-in-the-alley-type garbage thing. Got the grilles back (dirty as hell; snow/dirt/mud on em) but couldn't find the surface mounts for the cdts.

Well, $150 went to waste.

I'm thinking of mounting the 6.5 in the door and surface mounting the tweeter. The only reason I got the kick panels was cause my doors took 4x6s. Coincidentally/(un)fortunately, today I found a thread on another forum of a guy who fit 6.5's in his car doors (same make/model/year as mine) just by taking out some styrofoam piece.

I just bought this tool set since the only tools I had were a screw driver and some scissors; now I'm gonna try to take off the door panel, and hopefully it will fit with no permanent modifications to the door. Also, now the passegner and driver side have the small panel-things that cover up the screws on the inside missing...and they left a lot of this blackish glue-type stuff poking between the edges of like the window controls/driver side.

Being the somewhat audiophile-ish person I am, I really can't go for this current setup. I didn't buy some $150 dollar speakers just to have them give the same sound stage as my $45 4x6s. oh well.

so anyone know how I can get some surface mounts for the cdt cl-61s?

 
I also just remembered that the warranty paper was thrown away.....AHHHHHHHH! Dammn shops! I hope any of you guys who run your shops don't just throw something away cause it's not used. Papers/packaging I can understand a little bit, but grilles and tweeter hardware??? And on top of that, a manual and warranty!

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