What could go wrong...

[spokey9 5,000+ posts]

https://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2023/oct/9/house-democrat-barbara-lee-running-senate-calls-50/

Let's just make it a mil/hr...we can all be "rich"

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[Jimi77 Premium Member]

https://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2023/oct/9/house-democrat-barbara-lee-running-senate-calls-50/

Let's just make it a mil/hr...we can all be "rich"

It's this whole pattern of everybody going more extreme than last guy. I support min wages, but let's not loss our minds.

 

[spokey9 5,000+ posts]

It's this whole pattern of everybody going more extreme than last guy. I support min wages, but let's not loss our minds.

No matter how high the minimum wage is...those earning the minimum will be in the same spot...

Those that don't receive an equal increase in pay become worst off...

Then factor in the higher minimum is the fewer true entry level jobs that allow people to enter the workforce and build skills or proof of attendance that'd allows a way easier transition to higher paying work...

 

[Jimi77 Premium Member]

No matter how high the minimum wage is...those earning the minimum will be in the same spot...

Those that don't receive an equal increase in pay become worst off...

Then factor in the higher minimum is the fewer true entry level jobs that allow people to enter the workforce and build skills or proof of attendance that'd allows a way easier transition to higher paying work...

I don't think that's accurate. We keep using the min wage but entry level jobs are still plentiful. A $50/hr min wage might puck things up.

 

[spokey9 5,000+ posts]

I don't think that's accurate. We keep using the min wage but entry level jobs are still plentiful. A $50/hr min wage might puck things up.

More and more "entry" level jobs these days aren't accessible to those fresh into the workforce with zero job history...the minimum wage jobs are going to people that already have some work history...

So as the min wage goes up and the expense is higher...actual entry level work either becomes automated or to those that require less training or less risk such as prior work experience...

 

[Buck 5,000+ posts]

I don't think that's accurate. We keep using the min wage but entry level jobs are still plentiful. A $50/hr min wage might puck things up.

Yeah you require 50/hr, all those jobs will be taken by robots quick who will do it for much less IMO.

 

[Jimi77 Premium Member]

Yeah you require 50/hr, all those jobs will be taken by robots quick who will do it for much less IMO.

Maybe. I think robots will be expensive to buy and maintain. Plus there is the profit/Capitalism factor, so the robot manufacturers aren't going to sell/maintain/lease robot workers for far less than what human labor costs. They will make robotic workers available at ~97% of the cost of human labor, so I don't see this mass rush to robot labor.

 

[spokey9 5,000+ posts]

Automation is more expensive up front but maintenance over the life span is cheaper than labor once you figure in wages, benefits, etc...

 

[Jimi77 Premium Member]

More and more "entry" level jobs these days aren't accessible to those fresh into the workforce with zero job history...the minimum wage jobs are going to people that already have some work history...

So as the min wage goes up and the expense is higher...actual entry level work either becomes automated or to those that require less training or less risk such as prior work experience...

There are plenty of entry level jobs available around me - retail, fast food, etc. If the education system pulls their heads out their collective a$$e$, they'd realize that would be the perfect job for minimal upfront training and doing OJT and summer classes. I'm sure the same could be said of tons of industries.

 

[spokey9 5,000+ posts]

There are plenty of entry level jobs available around me - retail, fast food, etc. If the education system pulls their heads out their collective a$$e$, they'd realize that would be the perfect job for minimal upfront training and doing OJT and summer classes. I'm sure the same could be said of tons of industries.

There's tons of those jobs around me as well...they're not entry level in any true sense anymore...just minimum wage jobs...

With no experience and needing an entry into the work...those jobs a more likely to pass over you because you lack even minimal work experience...

 

[Jimi77 Premium Member]

There's tons of those jobs around me as well...they're not entry level in any true sense anymore...just minimum wage jobs...

With no experience and needing an entry into the work...those jobs a more likely to pass over you because you lack even minimal work experience...

They're entry level jobs, they're just entry level jobs where upward mobility is more limited than say a rookie police officer or joining the military.

 

[spokey9 5,000+ posts]

They're entry level jobs, they're just entry level jobs where upward mobility is more limited than say a rookie police officer or joining the military.

Not really...fast food here is looking for experience...

 

[Old_Slapper]

I'm not sure where you guys are from, but out here in my neck of the woods, in Nor Cal, just about all the full-time fast food employees got let go. They were replaced with part-timers so they don't have to pay medical and all the other benefits of a full-timer. All this because of the min. $20 ph law. Also, it's an easy $50 for 4 meal at Burger King. about 3 years ago, I remember freaking out because it was $35.

 

[spokey9 5,000+ posts]

Yeah there's lots of jobs around me now that are less than 6 hours a day

 

[ThxOne Premium Member]

When I was delivering pizza the companies had to raise employees wages and in response they hired twice as many employees and cut everyone's hours. Now, in this Biden economy more and more pizza delivery drivers are being let go because 3rd party delivery people are less expensive for the company.