Wanted: Amp specialists! need opinion on these internal PICS

[thylantyr 10+ year member]

If those amps are strappable, then take a page from Zapco and make

a new chassis that mimics the C2k-4kw design. Two PCB's in side one

chassis already strapped, sell it as a high end model. lol

 

[95Prober 10+ year member]

You have three different amps each with different power claims for that board.
4800w

5200w

3700w

The issue comes down to pricing. If you got those amps cheap then you

are good to go whether it's a 3kw amp or 5kw amp. If the price is good,

you can sell it.

If you want to be the clever marketeer, market the amp as a 2.5kw amp

and have it tested at 3.5kw and people will say "wow, this amp is under-rated,

it does 1kw more than advertised, yay!"...

But if you advertise it as a 4.5kw amp and it does 3.5kw, people will say

'It's cheap, over-rated, doesn't do what they claim powerwise".

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well, i would assume the 4800 RMs rating is correct ,coz that what the company gave me and what is on the spec sheets directly from the company. obviously those brands that are in the links get their boards from the place i just was yesterday. they are the factory where the boards come out of

i understand your marketing ideas, haha

but i dont make the amps ,so id want to list the correct rating or the closest i can find to accurate

which leads me to my next quest and find out a retail price on these boards. i cant find any prices for the Clif Designs model

 

[Kenny Pollock 10+ year member]

well, i would assume the 4800 RMs rating is correct ,coz that what the company gave me and what is on the spec sheets directly from the company.

A lot of companies say their amps put out xxx but they really don't.

 

[thylantyr 10+ year member]

A lot of companies say their amps put out xxx but they really don't.

This is true even outside car audio, even proamps costing thousands of bucks

fail to deliver rated power across 20hz - 20khz. //content.invisioncic.com/y282845/emoticons/laugh.gif.48439b2acf2cfca21620f01e7f77d1e4.gif

 

[95Prober 10+ year member]

yeah, i understand how companies do make numbers up. but at least i have seen the awards and real competition numbers to back up their amps for the most part. they use their product and compete all over asia.

they are part of EMMA, which is like the north american ISCAA

has anyone ever seen a price on a Clifs Design CD 4800.1LX ??

 

[95Prober 10+ year member]

If those amps are strappable, then take a page from Zapco and makea new chassis that mimics the C2k-4kw design. Two PCB's in side one

chassis already strapped, sell it as a high end model. lol

well, i just wanna find the same PCB's that they make which are used in U.S models, not modyifying or anything. so far, these 2 are the biggest that this one company makes

 

[JCivicHb 10+ year member]

lol this place has it for 2500 bucks

https://www.funhouseelectronics.com/ProductDetails.asp?ProductCode=fhampcd4800.1lx -

 

[95Prober 10+ year member]

lol this place has it for 2500 bucks
https://www.funhouseelectronics.com/ProductDetails.asp?ProductCode=fhampcd4800.1lx -

nice find! never seen that site. wow, pricey isnt it. im sure there are a lot of skeptics since this amp board has never really been used im sure hardly at all and isnt well known on these boards. but for that price it must deliver quite a bit of power, wouldnt you think? ill ask the manufacturers price tomorrow. im sure that price is marked up quite a bit

 

[helotaxi 5,000+ posts]

Just because it's the same board doesn't mean it's the same amp or even close.

 

[95Prober 10+ year member]

Just because it's the same board doesn't mean it's the same amp or even close.

true. but if the manager tells me directly it is and he tells me its the EXACT same board as his own korean line of products, then i have no reason to doubt him, especially when he tells me the process of his operation and pics are identical. however, the heatsinks are different, but im sure that wouldnt make too much difference. he told me the only reason the heatsinks are different for each customer is because they first pick their own design they like, then this factory here works around it, but the boards that go into each different heatsink are the same, such as the Clif Designs

 

[Relax 10+ year member]

Just because it's the same board doesn't mean it's the same amp or even close.

Care to elaborate on how the same PCB and same parts would not create a same amp?

He said the board in the picture is from the korean manufacturer of several US and international companies. Meaning they aren't knock-offs, they are the real thing, only de-baged.

If you can get these amps for cost or slightly above it, you stand to make some money and help some Caraudio.com members out.

 

[95Prober 10+ year member]

Care to elaborate on how the same PCB and same parts would not create a same amp?
He said the board in the picture is from the korean manufacturer of several US and international companies. Meaning they aren't knock-offs, they are the real thing, only de-baged.

If you can get these amps for cost or slightly above it, you stand to make some money and help some Caraudio.com members out.

yeah. the manager just said they are rebadged like you had said. thats all i guess

the problem is trying to get REAL bench test numbers for people on here or ebay etc. to believe they its all quality stuff. there are so many brands and competition for amps, especially D-class, out there. i cant test anything personally, coz my car is back home. i wouldnt mind helping anyone out if theyre interested as well. i know i can get them fairly close to cost coz the manager told me. he was so surprised that a normal joe blow like me, walked in off the street into his factory/office building , and was interested in his products, especially being a white guy. his customers usually make orders from when they meet at competitions or exhibitions.

he said if i just bought 1 or 100, it doesnt matter to him. seems to care a lot about the customer. im gonna grab a few including a Soundstream for myself. darn things are heavy to ship back in the mail though.

ill get a price tomorrow. its like 2:00a.m here now

 

[helotaxi 5,000+ posts]

The key part is the "same parts." They could be the exact board off the same production line and even the same batch and end up two totally different amps. It's the components on the board, not the board that makes an amp. Just the same way that several subs could have the exact same basket and be nothing alike.

Also just because a company specs out an amp that uses an off the shelf board, doesn't mean that the company didn't design the amp either. The circuit schematic is going to be similar enough beween different designs that one board with different components can have totally different specs.

The original Phoenix Gold series of amps gave a total of 4 (and eventually 5) amps built out of two boards. Different power and different load stability from the same board with different components. Orion did the same thing with the XTR and HCCA amps. Each HCCA amp had an XTR amp that shared a board but used different components.

It's a way to keep costs down and still get your own amp to market. It could be as simple as buying the rights to a total design and having your logo put on it. Or you could base your design on an existing board and have your spec'd components put on a standard board and end up with a unique amp without the setup cost of having a unique board printed. You can't just look at the general layout and say that the amp is a rebadged generic amp.

 

[95Prober 10+ year member]

The key part is the "same parts." They could be the exact board off the same production line and even the same batch and end up two totally different amps. It's the components on the board, not the board that makes an amp. Just the same way that several subs could have the exact same basket and be nothing alike.
Also just because a company specs out an amp that uses an off the shelf board, doesn't mean that the company didn't design the amp either. The circuit schematic is going to be similar enough beween different designs that one board with different components can have totally different specs.

The original Phoenix Gold series of amps gave a total of 4 (and eventually 5) amps built out of two boards. Different power and different load stability from the same board with different components. Orion did the same thing with the XTR and HCCA amps. Each HCCA amp had an XTR amp that shared a board but used different components.

It's a way to keep costs down and still get your own amp to market. It could be as simple as buying the rights to a total design and having your logo put on it. Or you could base your design on an existing board and have your spec'd components put on a standard board and end up with a unique amp without the setup cost of having a unique board printed. You can't just look at the general layout and say that the amp is a rebadged generic amp.

yeah i see.

i guess the best option is to get info straight from the horses mouth and ask the owner EXACTLY which models of boards and"parts" that are identical to some U.S brands and that he also uses in his line-up

 

[helotaxi 5,000+ posts]

Depending on who he's making stuff for, his stuff might be better. If he does in-house development on his own badged brand and only builds the others to the contracted specs...