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[Uncle Ruckus 10+ year member]

So, in general, you are saying that public schools spend less on their pupils than catholic schools? Hell, I don't even need my professor's paper for this, I could just find another reliable source.

This is going to have to wait though, because I have work at 5:00.

 

[thekraka]

i believe a big problem is due to the government...we have single mothers that get paid monthly by the # of fatherless childeren they have.....i believe that welfare has instilled complacency in the lives of minorities....when someone will pay for you to live...even if that isn't a while lot of money....why do anything when you have to do nothing....welfare has lulled them into a state of satisfaction where there is no motivation to achieve anything better....i am not saying welfare should be obliterated....i'm saying the way it is set up right now it hurts the united states more than it helps...our work ethics have diminished.

 

[ThomasG 5,000+ posts]

i believe a big problem is due to the government...we have single mothers that get paid monthly by the # of fatherless childeren they have.....i believe that welfare has instilled complacency in the lives of minorities....when someone will pay for you to live...even if that isn't a while lot of money....why do anything when you have to do nothing....welfare has lulled them into a state of satisfaction where there is no motivation to achieve anything better....i am not saying welfare should be obliterated....i'm saying the way it is set up right now it hurts the united states more than it helps...our work ethics have diminished.

I agree the welfare system is pretty messed up right now. Welfare can be a very good thing but also a very abused thing. I think welfare should just be used to give people a jumpstart or a little extra help on the side not a steady income over a long period of time.

It really is inane how a lot of help from the government is set up. People can breed like rabbits and receive more money, yet my sister has so many seizures she can not hold a job and is denied disability.

 

[mdillon 10+ year member]

n***a please.

 

[thekraka]

It really is inane how a lot of help from the government is set up. People can breed like rabbits and receive more money, yet my sister has so many seizures she can not hold a job and is denied disability.

see crap like that angers me....i agree it is too easy to get welfare...and no one out there tell me that i have no idea what i'm talking about blah blah blah....i will throw a stfu ahead of time...my uncle works for the governemnt and their program WIC....and my cousin used welfare as a jumpstart when his job was outsourced to pakistan...but i have seen so many people abuse it and waste taxpayer money

 

[bds0688 10+ year member]

I remember when my aunt had to fight tooth and nail for disability due to her crone's and IBS, and some other major stomach issue. She worked full time during the battle for disability, against doctor's orders. Yet, my coworker's boyfriend can sit at home and deal dope, and "will get a job when she has another kid" How about his dumb thug *** get a job now, so his son doesn't turn into the piece of shit her boyfriend is? It's amazing how ****ed our systems are, and how ****ing stupid people are.

 

[Flipx99 5,000+ posts]

Thomas,

I could prove you wrong...but wouldn't use a source as specific as the Chicago School System, as the data there is rather difficult to find.

I could for instance readily find data concerning statewide funding issue. In my econometrics course, we studied to see if things such as $ spent per pupil and teacher pay in Tennessee had a causal relationship with test scores...and the did not. We also tested for temporal autocorrelation to see if it was a geographic issue, and we were able to get nice p-values allowing us to determine if it was a geographic issue...and it tended to be.

However, at times, I do not always feel that high test scores are linked to greater levels of success, particularly in low income areas. It doesn't matter if you graduated in the top 10% if no one will offer you a job, because there are no jobs. I think something greater is at work here. I think people, in all cultures, are very apprehensive to pick up, move abandon close family ties in search of work. I believe the need for close family connections is far greater in minority communities versus the white community. If minorities are less willing to move to a place where there skills are scarce, then they will always be stuck with low pay due to competition with others with a similar skill set.

 

[bonesninja 5,000+ posts]

Thomas,
I could prove you wrong...but wouldn't use a source as specific as the Chicago School System, as the data there is rather difficult to find.

I could for instance readily find data concerning statewide funding issue. In my econometrics course, we studied to see if things such as $ spent per pupil and teacher pay in Tennessee had a causal relationship with test scores...and the did not. We also tested for temporal autocorrelation to see if it was a geographic issue, and we were able to get nice p-values allowing us to determine if it was a geographic issue...and it tended to be.

However, at times, I do not always feel that high test scores are linked to greater levels of success, particularly in low income areas. It doesn't matter if you graduated in the top 10% if no one will offer you a job, because there are no jobs. I think something greater is at work here. I think people, in all cultures, are very apprehensive to pick up, move abandon close family ties in search of work. I believe the need for close family connections is far greater in minority communities versus the white community. If minorities are less willing to move to a place where there skills are scarce, then they will always be stuck with low pay due to competition with others with a similar skill set.

very nicely put........on a side note i need your opinion on something. gonna send you a pm

 

[thekraka]

I believe the need for close family connections is far greater in minority communities versus the white community.

haha....so what about the insanely high percentage of single black mothers that have had 6 baby daddies leave them??? 0o0o0o thats what i call strong ties

 

[Flipx99 5,000+ posts]

i believe a big problem is due to the government...we have single mothers that get paid monthly by the # of fatherless childeren they have.....i believe that welfare has instilled complacency in the lives of minorities....when someone will pay for you to live...even if that isn't a while lot of money....why do anything when you have to do nothing....welfare has lulled them into a state of satisfaction where there is no motivation to achieve anything better....i am not saying welfare should be obliterated....i'm saying the way it is set up right now it hurts the united states more than it helps...our work ethics have diminished.

This is something I debate constantly in some of my courses...Some students arguing that rasing the minimum wage would encourage those on welfare to seek employment. If the minimum wage was just a bit higher, they could find work that would allow them to "live".

I argue that the minium wage would have to be quite high. Let's say current welfare payments were $18k/yr (~ poverty line). So that is the price floor. if one were to exhert no effort, one could make $18k/yr...which translates to $8.65/hr. o the recipient would have to find a job paying atleast $13.70/hr for it to make sense to work. Consider there current wage floor is $8.65/hr + 5.15/hr of the current minimum wage. Essentially, the welfare recipient would be working 40 hours for $5.15, as they could work no houors and make $8.65....who would want to work for $5.15...most adults want at least $10/hr, as they value their time at $10/hr...so now we must make the minimum wage $18.65/hr....

So, there is no incentive to work. The incentive is to not work under the current system because we cannot provide adequant incentives.

 

[SethPhillips 5,000+ posts]

negro's dont buy houses they buy cadillac's....

 

[thekraka]

i disagree with raising minimum wage...does nothing....we raise minimum wage which increases cost of labor which in technicality is an increase in cost of production which causes an increase in price level...thus no point in raising minumum wage

 

[Flipx99 5,000+ posts]

haha....so what about the insanely high percentage of single black mothers that have had 6 baby daddies leave them??? 0o0o0o thats what i call strong ties

That does not stop her from picking up, leaving, and finding work where her skills are scarce. There are a number of state and local agency whose goal is to provide those with skills that would allow them to earn a living wage. Because welfare benefits are an attractive alternative, there is no incentive for a person to gain those skills.

Faulkton had a great suggestion is disincentivise welfare recipients by forcing them to undergo procedures that wouldn't allow them to further procreate.

 

[Flipx99 5,000+ posts]

i disagree with raising minimum wage...does nothing....we raise minimum wage which increases cost of labor which in technicality is an increase in cost of production which causes an increase in price level...thus no point in raising minumum wage

We all know that jr level econ issue....but the issue at hand was exploring mechanism that would make people voluntarily get off the welfare rolls.

 

[bonesninja 5,000+ posts]

how about lowering the welfare payout...also i thought they passed the 36 month maximum welfare benefits law a few years ago...yet i know some who have been on it for 10+ years