WhoSayWho?
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Obviously you would have a tendency to think in those terms if you were an American and America was at war with Japan.
Moron.
WhoSayWho?
Obviously you would have a tendency to think in those terms if you were an American and America was at war with Japan.
Moron.
pitbull12888
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u sir are a F ucking retard. We need to send u to iraq so when a iraqi soldier asks for your gun your like sure here u go and he shoots u with it. moron.
The bombs were extremely effective and showed the Japanese our immense capacity for devastation. The pain involved with a death associated with an atomic blast can be considered negligeble...the people had no time to really suffer. It was instantaneous. The Japanese citizens died yes, but the huge majority of them did not suffer a painful death.
We showed mercy in our killing...they were extremely savage and brutal (ie read up on the immensely cruel medical testing they did on POWs...it was worse than the Germans and also dont forget how they treated the civilians of conquered lands like the phillipines)
Its already been mentioned previously, but a land invasion wouldve been MUCH worse.
Wikipedia
* A study done for Secretary of War Henry Stimson's staff by William Shockley estimated that conquering Japan would cost 1.7–4 million American casualties, including 500,000–1,000,000 fatalities, and five to ten million Japanese fatalities. The key assumption was large-scale participation by civilians in the defense of Japan.
For context, the Battle of Normandy had cost 63,000 casualties in the first 48 days; and the Battle of Okinawa ran up 72,000 casualties over about 82 days, of whom 18,900 were killed or missing. Several thousand soldiers who died indirectly whether because of wounds or other causes at a later date are not included. The entire war cost the United States a total of just over a million casualties, with 400,000 fatalities.
How many American casualties did we have with dropping with the bomb? A hell of a lot less than 1.7-4,000,000!
How many Japanese died in the attack? ...about 250,000 but thats a hell of a lot less than 10 million. The Japanese government convinced its civilians that we wanted all of them dead and would rather jump off a cliff (after throwing their kids off the cliff) before accepting occupation by us.
We showed mercy in our killing...they were extremely savage and brutal (ie read up on the immensely cruel medical testing they did on POWs...it was worse than the Germans and also dont forget how they treated the civilians of conquered lands like the phillipines)
Its already been mentioned previously, but a land invasion wouldve been MUCH worse.
Wikipedia
* A study done for Secretary of War Henry Stimson's staff by William Shockley estimated that conquering Japan would cost 1.7–4 million American casualties, including 500,000–1,000,000 fatalities, and five to ten million Japanese fatalities. The key assumption was large-scale participation by civilians in the defense of Japan.
For context, the Battle of Normandy had cost 63,000 casualties in the first 48 days; and the Battle of Okinawa ran up 72,000 casualties over about 82 days, of whom 18,900 were killed or missing. Several thousand soldiers who died indirectly whether because of wounds or other causes at a later date are not included. The entire war cost the United States a total of just over a million casualties, with 400,000 fatalities.
How many American casualties did we have with dropping with the bomb? A hell of a lot less than 1.7-4,000,000!
How many Japanese died in the attack? ...about 250,000 but thats a hell of a lot less than 10 million. The Japanese government convinced its civilians that we wanted all of them dead and would rather jump off a cliff (after throwing their kids off the cliff) before accepting occupation by us.
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You ARE CLUELESS!
Incriminator
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I personally don't like to see people die, of any race, creed, or religion. But I think this event defined history and made the world a safer place. Not only did it establish the USA as a powerhouse, which other countries would respect and think twice about crossing. It also helps show the power of these bombes, which I believe is a strong deterrent for any county to attack another country. Some neighboring countries are now at peace because they know that any attack from one side would cause the other side to fire there weapons leaving both ruined. A policy of fear from every country is a good way to keep peace. With the USA having established relationships with several other countries, the idea of attacking one means you’re going to have to attack both, once again establishing repour and helps keep peace. As long as the USA keep to the idea of they kill one of us and you kill 100 of them, we as the human race will continue to be able to sleep at night. I know this concept of fear is a little barbaric, but it’s a proven way to maintain peace. With that being said, I don’t think those people in Japan died in vein, but they help establish a peaceful society.
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You don't set an example by blowing up innocent people. Sure there are innocent bystanders in war, but those deaths are usually accidental. Purposely targeting Japanese civilians is indecent and immoral. So you gun touting, gung ho, redneck hicks can continue to think its right to do so. Why don't you enlist with the military and play target practice with Iraqi children to make your statement if you think it's such a good idea?
4runnercrazy
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Mattchu
they show us those pictures in school, if ur mature about it they really are not that bad
4runnercrazy
10+ year member
Mattchu
yes you are right!
the fighting shown on iwo jima by the japanese (letters of iwo jima is a great movie btw) was just a one time thing, they would be willing to surrender if we gave them 3 cookies, some non-fat milk and a pound of REAL california cheese (its THE cheese)...........NOT the japanese never will never surrender if they do not have to
and yes I think US lives are better than Japanese lives........its called nationalism (or something close to that), i love my country. but the Japanese think their lives are better than US lives, which im fine with......................... do you know the estimates of how many American lives would be lost if we invaded the Japanese Mainland................1 million! thats a lot, its a well know fact that the Jpanese would NEVER surrender if they did not have to......................but dropping the bombs made them becasue we hit two cities that were least effected by the fire bombings which would cripple their economy so they would have no choice........but one of the real reasons they surrendered is they didn't know how many bombs we had, we droipped two in a matter of days, they thought we might have alot more
well im off to school, thats what i think and im standing by it
America F*ck Yea!
Are you serious?//content.invisioncic.com/y282845/emoticons/laugh.gif.48439b2acf2cfca21620f01e7f77d1e4.gif :laugh: The bomb sure as hell sent a HUGE message to Japan that we were capable of incalculable amounts of destruction upon their entire empire. The Japanese were fanatical. They didnt care about their citizens...they just wanted to spread their empire and convinced their citizens that we wanted them dead...the kamikazes drive this point home. They would not surrender unless we did something BIG and were convinced they didnt have a chance in hell of winning! The military actually wouldnt accept surrender...the emperor had to step in and bring the hammer down.
Hmm...well im not sure if you read my previous post, but the estimate for Japanese civilian casualties during an invasion was roughly 10 million. An estimated 4 million American soldiers were predicted to be casualties...That is several orders of magnitude larger than the combined fatalities (~400,000) of all of World War II combined for the US.
FYI the Japanese were absolutely menacing and cruel. Im not sure if you're aware of this but there were 3,000,000 Chinese military deaths, 7,000,000 Chinese CIVILIAN deaths, 4,000,000 Indonesian CIVILIAN deaths, and 1,500,000 Indian CIVILIAN deaths as a result of te Japanese empires ruthless ambitions. Im speaking about fatalities...not casualties which included the wounded. The number of affected persons could have rose much greater if we had not stepped in and acted swiftly.
It was a terrible thing that happened, but it was necessary for the greater good, peace, and the livelihood of the entire world.
Its a matter of choosing the lesser evil, you cant simply become ignorant towards the situation ignore the problem and let it manifest itself into something greater. The European countries were aware of Hitler and his desires, but decided to ignore it and hope it would go away.
j3bus2k3
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Si vis pacem, para bellum
Your forgetting that when THEY attacked US, we were innocent of anything towards them...
And heres food for thought...why did Japan attack us? 'Cause we diverted resources to the European front that they needed...like oil? Gee, it was worth fighting for back then but b*tch and moan about it today where its 100x more necessary to our countries survival:uhoh:
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