US Amps AX3200DE vs Sundown 3000D

[TurdFergueson2 5,000+ posts]

*shrugs*
When we had an o-scope on the 3000s we got 3030 watts at 1.32 ohms actual - on a hand-held scope - this IS mentioned in the SSA amp test thread in an update from August of 2007, by the way.

As I said earlier we don't know if his equipment is calibrated (or even the one we used), what the tolerance is, etc. Simply not professional grade equipment.

We also had a different battery bank and 8v pre-outs from an Eclipse HU - maybe the difference is in the HU output and gain structure ? Maybe it is in the supply voltage.

What I DO know is that customers are overwhelmingly happy with the product. There are so many variables in these home brew tests for someone to come on here and claim it should be called an SAZ-2500D based on his hand-held o-scope test.

To me this is all that matters. Yeah some people get a little out of hand with the fanboyism, but I feel enough people have used the product to know you are selling stand up equipment. It just seemed like the way in which he intended on using your product did not suit his needs. I'm sure for my intentions, the amp will do what I need it to do, but I'm neither a competitor nor "nuthugger" I just want something that is reliable and powerful.

 

[ssackett 10+ year member]

I have destroyed things in my shop while load testing the Sundown amps.... they are beasts. Stuff falls off shelves, walls flex, doors move, it's fun to crank it up and watch all the shit start moving and flexing in my shop.... And my sub isn't even in a vented box yet.... Gonna be much louder when I do the new box, which should be VERY soon now since I will be closed up for christmas and new years, will have some free time....
As someone else had said in another post somewhere on here, Sundown amps are good for rattling body parts off your car....

HA HA HA HA!!! Does the Sundown warranty cover that Jacob??

Hey Jacob, congrats on the 154.5 with the beast yesterday //content.invisioncic.com/y282845/emoticons/eek.gif.771b7a90cf45cabdc554ff1121c21c4a.gif

 

[rc10mike 10+ year member]

Well I guess not too many people have owned both amps, I figured it was worth a shot! I had a Sundown 3kD and I never should've let it go..

 

[mazzasec 5,000+ posts]

How is he "bashing" Sundown. Last time I read he said the 100.2, 100.4 and 1500d are badass amps. Arent those Sundown amps?!//content.invisioncic.com/y282845/emoticons/confused.gif.e820e0216602db4765798ac39d28caa9.gif//content.invisioncic.com/y282845/emoticons/confused.gif.e820e0216602db4765798ac39d28caa9.gif

 

[Jeremiah25 10+ year member]

In the SPL truck I owned for a while I had an 8v Eclipse deck but don't have any in my other vehicles at this time. Was a good deck for sure.

I've been in the SPL game for several years now. I have made many friends in this game. I don't personally have experiance with the SAZ300d, but I have many friends that do. One thing we have all found in common about Zenon based amps is that a strong input signal is a MUST. 7+ volts is ideal. I found this to be true on the RD amps I have tested.

On the other hand with DD amps, strong input signal doesn't really help at all.

My intuitive response is simply that 06 has a piss poor input signal for the amps to be seeing such bad results from the SAZ3000d. Probably 2 volts or less feeding the amp if you check at the end of the RCA cables. My guess is that is why he had so much better results with the DD Z1 and the AX3200.

Seeing Jake's comment about what deck he uses pretty much hit the nail on the head. I was thinking to myself this guy needs more input voltage for the sundown. Jake runs more input voltage........so........there ya go.

 

[njaykaplan 10+ year member]

I've been in the SPL game for several years now. I have made many friends in this game. I don't personally have experiance with the SAZ300d, but I have many friends that do. One thing we have all found in common about Zenon based amps is that a strong input signal is a MUST. 7+ volts is ideal. I found this to be true on the RD amps I have tested.
On the other hand with DD amps, strong input signal doesn't really help at all.

My intuitive response is simply that 06 has a piss poor input signal for the amps to be seeing such bad results from the SAZ3000d. Probably 2 volts or less feeding the amp if you check at the end of the RCA cables. My guess is that is why he had so much better results with the DD Z1 and the AX3200.

Seeing Jake's comment about what deck he uses pretty much hit the nail on the head. I was thinking to myself this guy needs more input voltage for the sundown. Jake runs more input voltage........so........there ya go.

Oh really? Can we continue this here, or shall I make a post on SSA? This is something i never thought about, I thought it would shine the same on 2v as it would 8v depending on the gain settings. Since the amp only says it accepts up to 6v, i never have tried this.. What is the maximum signal that you have used? I had a line driver, and i was afraid of putting the amplifier into protect..

 

[captaincheesey 10+ year member]

Mmm, sundown is sounding better all the time with my eclipse deck. 7200 ftw.

 

[TeamRetribution 10+ year member]

Mmm, sundown is sounding better all the time with my eclipse deck. 7200 ftw.

i had the cd 7100 ...i was knocking the face off everytime i demoed or burped it ...so i went a lil old school and got a cd 8052 ....none detachable face ...works great now ..just a fyi...

 

[TeamRetribution 10+ year member]

I've been in the SPL game for several years now. I have made many friends in this game. I don't personally have experiance with the SAZ300d, but I have many friends that do. One thing we have all found in common about Zenon based amps is that a strong input signal is a MUST. 7+ volts is ideal. I found this to be true on the RD amps I have tested.
On the other hand with DD amps, strong input signal doesn't really help at all.

My intuitive response is simply that 06 has a piss poor input signal for the amps to be seeing such bad results from the SAZ3000d. Probably 2 volts or less feeding the amp if you check at the end of the RCA cables. My guess is that is why he had so much better results with the DD Z1 and the AX3200.

Seeing Jake's comment about what deck he uses pretty much hit the nail on the head. I was thinking to myself this guy needs more input voltage for the sundown. Jake runs more input voltage........so........there ya go.

Jacob runs a cheap kenwood head unit ..

 

[captaincheesey 10+ year member]

Yeah I have noticed the face doesn't stay on too well. I am not looking to go all out SPL though, so I think it will be ok. Need to get another ipod though so I don't have to worry about possible CD skippage.

 

[Jeremiah25 10+ year member]

On the Zenon amps I tested, I didn't have a way to put more than about 7.5 volts on them at the time, but I was getting the best results with all that I could feed it. According to some friends of mine they have put 13+ volts into them, and continued to see small gains up to there. I can not personally verify that. I also don't know if the Sundown amp reacts the same as this other Zenon amp. I more or less just feel from my own personal experiences that is why he was seeing unsatisfactory results from the Sundown amp. It makes sense to me based on what I have seen.

 

[DDbump 10+ year member]

sundown man. they do more then rated power idk who said they dnt

 

[DDbump 10+ year member]

and my hu has 8 volt pe outs lol if that makes a difference running my dd z1a

 

[v2.0]

jacob should send all the haters a 3000 for us to test and if we like it we pay for it if not we just return it.how is that for a plan

I wouldnt trust a douchbag like you with anything like that.

 

[DDbump 10+ year member]

I wouldnt trust a douchbag like you with anything like that.

ha thats bogus