alphakenny1
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LOTUS FTW!
if you can, find the alpine w200. it's a monitor that'll play dvd's. if you have an ipod, you don't need an apapter because the w200 has a direct hookup to the ipod. plus the w200 will play dvd mp3's as you like. they sell on ebay for like around 800 if you comfortable with that. but if you got a local shop maybe you can bargain a bit. but for under $1000 i think the w200 is pretty hard to beat if you can fit a double din.
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it'd be too much work, appreciate the suggestion and cool thing for my friend who has a Alpine deck. I just have 2 Din's and the other Din has the SXSL-II
and I have the display unit for the 9.0 so that takes up the ashtray and lighter.
I just saw that the Alpine 9861 was their most appealing DVD deck to me? I don't konw about the other brands.
and I have the display unit for the 9.0 so that takes up the ashtray and lighter.
I just saw that the Alpine 9861 was their most appealing DVD deck to me? I don't konw about the other brands.
If all you listen to is burned MP3's, (which appears to be your entire reasoning for wanting dvd ability) you should just look at replacing all those burns with a good mp3 player, IMO. Having 200gb of mp3's accessible from your dash is pretty nice. No more burning, no more swapping, no more re-burning when you get new stuff, etc...
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For some reason my Mp3 player sounds like shit on my deck. I have it on Phase-Out on the back with Flat EQ, I have to turn everything way up just to get it so that I'm able to hear the music at a decent volume level.
I have a 4GB black nano. Great point though.
I like the feature of the DVD Nav decks where you can look at all the songs you have and be able to pick them like that instead of NEXT... listen to 15secs of a song, NEXT.. listen to 15secs of a song, NEXT... listen to 15secs of a song, NEXT, hoping to find a name I like.
Is it possible to get a Mp3 player to sound just as good as burning CD's? Mine just sounds that shitty I amost have high doubt that i'm able to achieve CD quality it sounds that bad.
I have a 4GB black nano. Great point though.
I like the feature of the DVD Nav decks where you can look at all the songs you have and be able to pick them like that instead of NEXT... listen to 15secs of a song, NEXT.. listen to 15secs of a song, NEXT... listen to 15secs of a song, NEXT, hoping to find a name I like.
Is it possible to get a Mp3 player to sound just as good as burning CD's? Mine just sounds that shitty I amost have high doubt that i'm able to achieve CD quality it sounds that bad.
alphakenny1
10+ year member
LOTUS FTW!
well maybe your mp3 are of low quality. the bit rate of a pure rip with 1444 kbps. and maybe with good equipment such as yours, if you play low quality music then obviously your speakers will play like crap. trust me, if play 192 kbps on my system, the time and money i've spent on it would go to waste.
My CD8454 and CD7000 both had no problems with my dedicated mp3 player's input...but it's not a black ipod nano. I expect your trouble lies in your source of music more than the quality of the files, though if you bought the tunes off of itunes you tested on the ipod nano, that'd explain something //content.invisioncic.com/y282845/emoticons/wink.gif.608e3ea05f1a9f98611af0861652f8fb.gif.
Re: the ease of navigation... i've gone off at length a couple times about my empeg mp3 player so i won't re-type it...here's links to my previous posts:
pics
http://www.caraudio.com/forum/showpost.php?p=1643949&postcount=4
http://www.caraudio.com/forum/showpost.php?p=1992364&postcount=44
and
http://www.caraudio.com/forum/showpost.php?p=1992400&postcount=46
It beats down navigation and playlist management + creation totally. If i were you, i'd look into getting something like that.
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those links look more like your setup on mid speakers than what you were talking about in your post?
ItalynStylion
10+ year member
Audiophile
Yeah, and they are all the same link too are they not?
Woops. Fixed the ****ed up links.
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whoa, kinda expensive for 20GB?
looks pretty cool though, although very limited on space i can put in the back with my ported box in a hatchback heh
that's a great idea though.
Says you haev to have a PDA or how do you connect a interface to it?
Yeah I guess i never really thought about using my mp3 player instead of a DVD player.
SHOULD an mp3 player sound just as good as any DVD or CD?
I was just pissed my mp3 player sounds like shit cause i have to turn it up all the way, and my SXSL all the way, and my deck up all the way and the gains are already tuned so i don't want to play with the gains just to accomidate my mp3 player.
I put it on Phase-Out and not Line-Out, is that correct? I do have shitty RCA comin out it but I wouldn't thikn gettin higher and RCA's would make a difference?
looks pretty cool though, although very limited on space i can put in the back with my ported box in a hatchback heh
that's a great idea though.
Says you haev to have a PDA or how do you connect a interface to it?
Yeah I guess i never really thought about using my mp3 player instead of a DVD player.
SHOULD an mp3 player sound just as good as any DVD or CD?
I was just pissed my mp3 player sounds like shit cause i have to turn it up all the way, and my SXSL all the way, and my deck up all the way and the gains are already tuned so i don't want to play with the gains just to accomidate my mp3 player.
I put it on Phase-Out and not Line-Out, is that correct? I do have shitty RCA comin out it but I wouldn't thikn gettin higher and RCA's would make a difference?
the hardrive is the least of the expense -- you can put TWO laptop harddrives in one of these...maximum of 200GB //content.invisioncic.com/y282845/emoticons/wink.gif.608e3ea05f1a9f98611af0861652f8fb.gif I wanted the mpeg far more than the drive; i can buy laptop drives of any size and drop 'em in. I saw an empeg sell on ebay last week for 370$ with a 60GB drive in it too...//content.invisioncic.com/y282845/emoticons/smile.gif.1ebc41e1811405b213edfc4622c41e27.gif
The PDA interface was referring to the 'keg' that springy101 asked about...see his quote in the last link i posted. He was asking if that would be a good alternative to the empeg. The empeg mounts in-dash; it's mounted right underneath my head-unit in the first links pictures (blue screen)...the pics of my mids were in the unfixed link, look now and you can see shots of the empeg in the dash (docked) and the undocking mechanism.
An mp3 player CAN sound as good as a CD or DVD...and SHOULD sound as good as an MP3 played from an MP3 CD on a CD8445 which has a decent quality aux-input -- unless you've got the 'harmonizer' turned on on the deck, which 'massages' mp3s it reads from cd's and fixes them up some. The empeg has very good quality preouts, which i run to the deck's aux-in. The empeg even supports a 20band FULLY adjustable (Q adjustable AND frequency adjustable in some sick increments like 10hz...) parametric EQ. It's a formidable device. They even make a radio tuner for it...it's got a pair of preouts, front and rear, and an aux input!..it can replace a deck entirely -- i wouldn't even have my CD7000 except for the areashot capabilities, and the crossover abilities and time alignment it offers. The ability to search a 200gb archive, while in your car, and on-the-fly create a playlist with specific tracks or artists while travelling, or just load premade playlists that you can play in sequence or shuffle make the empeg utterly destroy playing mp3s from any mp3 capable deck. It navigates about 5 times faster than my deck and it supports hierarchies in playlists - you can have a playlist called 'rock', and then have playlists inside rock for each artists, and playlists inside of each artist for each album...then you can enqueue to your current playlist any playlist and all playlists inside of it in seconds... or you can add tracks by searching alphanumerically by artist/genre/title/year etc.
i'm rambling again
The PDA interface was referring to the 'keg' that springy101 asked about...see his quote in the last link i posted. He was asking if that would be a good alternative to the empeg. The empeg mounts in-dash; it's mounted right underneath my head-unit in the first links pictures (blue screen)...the pics of my mids were in the unfixed link, look now and you can see shots of the empeg in the dash (docked) and the undocking mechanism.
An mp3 player CAN sound as good as a CD or DVD...and SHOULD sound as good as an MP3 played from an MP3 CD on a CD8445 which has a decent quality aux-input -- unless you've got the 'harmonizer' turned on on the deck, which 'massages' mp3s it reads from cd's and fixes them up some. The empeg has very good quality preouts, which i run to the deck's aux-in. The empeg even supports a 20band FULLY adjustable (Q adjustable AND frequency adjustable in some sick increments like 10hz...) parametric EQ. It's a formidable device. They even make a radio tuner for it...it's got a pair of preouts, front and rear, and an aux input!..it can replace a deck entirely -- i wouldn't even have my CD7000 except for the areashot capabilities, and the crossover abilities and time alignment it offers. The ability to search a 200gb archive, while in your car, and on-the-fly create a playlist with specific tracks or artists while travelling, or just load premade playlists that you can play in sequence or shuffle make the empeg utterly destroy playing mp3s from any mp3 capable deck. It navigates about 5 times faster than my deck and it supports hierarchies in playlists - you can have a playlist called 'rock', and then have playlists inside rock for each artists, and playlists inside of each artist for each album...then you can enqueue to your current playlist any playlist and all playlists inside of it in seconds... or you can add tracks by searching alphanumerically by artist/genre/title/year etc.
i'm rambling again
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whoa that's great man, got me really looking.
What about the kenwood Keg or the Onmifi dmp1? looks like a dmp2 was suppose to come out but didn't?
I don't know if there's any other alternatives, but the wireless ability of it is really cool instead of dragging the box inside to update or taking a laptop to your car to transfer if you can do it all wireless that's pretty cool especially when i'm updating my songs weekly.
I don't konw why the Rio car is that much more expensive than the Onmifi dmp1? What other alternatives are out there? and the wireless ability is definately something i would be interested in. Thanks for your input man! really helped.
What about the kenwood Keg or the Onmifi dmp1? looks like a dmp2 was suppose to come out but didn't?
I don't know if there's any other alternatives, but the wireless ability of it is really cool instead of dragging the box inside to update or taking a laptop to your car to transfer if you can do it all wireless that's pretty cool especially when i'm updating my songs weekly.
I don't konw why the Rio car is that much more expensive than the Onmifi dmp1? What other alternatives are out there? and the wireless ability is definately something i would be interested in. Thanks for your input man! really helped.
I had a DMP1 and it SUCKED ***. The ****ing piece of shit had NO FAST FORWARD OR REWIND!!! Now, maybe some people wouldn't care about that, but i have tons of music that is a single, long *** track, several hours long -- entire concerts as a single track. I *require* fast forward/rewind. The DMP1 now has a community supporting it with a hacked firmware that adds some good features such as fast forward and rewind...but it takes almost 3 minutes every time you turn on the dmp1 to "index the files" before you can play ANYTHING...and mine broke after only a couple months of use. And it had no volume control of it's own. And no remote. And no playlist control.
The kenwood keg is one i'm not personally familiar with, but from what i've seen it looks to be better than the dmp1 but not nearly as flexible as the empeg.
There are several reasons the dmp1 is so much cheaper:
(a) The DMP1 has a shitty screen with very little flexibility; the empeg screen is a full featured screen that can display anything from text to scroll bars to visualizations based on the music. For an example - the empeg can show current track info, with the title and a bar showing your progress through the track and some other misc info...or it can show visualizations, or it can show current track + next 3 tracks, etc. The dmp1 can show...current track and next three tracks. period.
(b) the dmp1 has no volume control; the empeg does.
© the dmp1 has a faceplate with a hideaway box that you have to run a cable to the faceplate from to control; the empeg goes IN DASH, hardrrives and all.
(d) the dmp1 can use a single hardrive. The empeg can handle two hardrives at once, seamlessly as if it's one drive.
(e) the dmp1 won't work in 'high temperatures', which i learned are 'any ****ing thing over 90f' which cars in florida OFTEN reach
(f) the dmp1 has no equalizer ability and 1 set of preouts. The empeg has 2 pairs of preouts, an aux in, a 20 band fully adjustable parametric EQ, and even support for a radio tuner.
(g) the dmp1 will play MP3's and only MP3's. It has serious problems with variable bit rate mp3's. It refused to play alot of my mp3s because it thought they were encoded badly or some shit. The empeg not only plays ANY **** mp3 you play at it, but it also plays ogg and flac lossless compression formats.
(h) the dmp1 has 2 major components...a bigass box that does nothing that houses the hardrive, and then a faceplate wannabe dealio that goes wherever you feel like it. The empeg is 1 unit. When you yank it out of your dash, you have your mp3 player, your hardrives, etc. all in one.
(g) Uploading via wireless is slow as balls. uploading via usb is slow as balls. The empeg has an ethernet port for transferring files, though you can, if you feel nostalgic, upload using the usb port, or if you feel downright ancient, using the serial port //content.invisioncic.com/y282845/emoticons/wink.gif.608e3ea05f1a9f98611af0861652f8fb.gif
(i) navigating to choose a new song to play on the empeg is totally threaded - you can enqueue and replace tracks in your 'live playlist' constantly without ever having music stop. You have to STOP PLAYING MUSIC to navigate through the DMP1's tracks and choose your next song. This only happens on the hacked firmware that supports fast forward/rewind, though...so you can navigate without stopping playing on the original firmware, but then you get no fast forward/rewind. LOL.
My DMP1, when i got it, was brand new in box (but discontinued) - it died within 3 months of purchase. My empeg is now over 7 years old and has been in daily use in my car for almost a year...no problems. A slightly different version of the same software that runs the Rio Karma powers the RioCar - it's up to date, open source, constantly being updated.
The kenwood keg is one i'm not personally familiar with, but from what i've seen it looks to be better than the dmp1 but not nearly as flexible as the empeg.
There are several reasons the dmp1 is so much cheaper:
(a) The DMP1 has a shitty screen with very little flexibility; the empeg screen is a full featured screen that can display anything from text to scroll bars to visualizations based on the music. For an example - the empeg can show current track info, with the title and a bar showing your progress through the track and some other misc info...or it can show visualizations, or it can show current track + next 3 tracks, etc. The dmp1 can show...current track and next three tracks. period.
(b) the dmp1 has no volume control; the empeg does.
© the dmp1 has a faceplate with a hideaway box that you have to run a cable to the faceplate from to control; the empeg goes IN DASH, hardrrives and all.
(d) the dmp1 can use a single hardrive. The empeg can handle two hardrives at once, seamlessly as if it's one drive.
(e) the dmp1 won't work in 'high temperatures', which i learned are 'any ****ing thing over 90f' which cars in florida OFTEN reach
(f) the dmp1 has no equalizer ability and 1 set of preouts. The empeg has 2 pairs of preouts, an aux in, a 20 band fully adjustable parametric EQ, and even support for a radio tuner.
(g) the dmp1 will play MP3's and only MP3's. It has serious problems with variable bit rate mp3's. It refused to play alot of my mp3s because it thought they were encoded badly or some shit. The empeg not only plays ANY **** mp3 you play at it, but it also plays ogg and flac lossless compression formats.
(h) the dmp1 has 2 major components...a bigass box that does nothing that houses the hardrive, and then a faceplate wannabe dealio that goes wherever you feel like it. The empeg is 1 unit. When you yank it out of your dash, you have your mp3 player, your hardrives, etc. all in one.
(g) Uploading via wireless is slow as balls. uploading via usb is slow as balls. The empeg has an ethernet port for transferring files, though you can, if you feel nostalgic, upload using the usb port, or if you feel downright ancient, using the serial port //content.invisioncic.com/y282845/emoticons/wink.gif.608e3ea05f1a9f98611af0861652f8fb.gif
(i) navigating to choose a new song to play on the empeg is totally threaded - you can enqueue and replace tracks in your 'live playlist' constantly without ever having music stop. You have to STOP PLAYING MUSIC to navigate through the DMP1's tracks and choose your next song. This only happens on the hacked firmware that supports fast forward/rewind, though...so you can navigate without stopping playing on the original firmware, but then you get no fast forward/rewind. LOL.
My DMP1, when i got it, was brand new in box (but discontinued) - it died within 3 months of purchase. My empeg is now over 7 years old and has been in daily use in my car for almost a year...no problems. A slightly different version of the same software that runs the Rio Karma powers the RioCar - it's up to date, open source, constantly being updated.
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I'm not sure if i care about all those features on the rio car, definately make it sound like a better product and I'm sure it is. but i don't know if i can justify spending an extra $200-300 for it, shit I could just buy 3 moer DMP1's for that price haha, I actually don't really have room for a DIN as mine are already being used up by the SXSL-II and the eclipse HU. So really, an external face plate migth be the only solution as i can just kinda set it down ina a pocket area. The EQ thing on the rio looks awesome, i'd almost buy it just for that. From what I've been reading the software on the DMP1 can be buggy and I don't liek the ability not to fast forward or rewind, and having to pause the thing to spin through songs is retarded. Isn't there another solution out there? I mean wow this is a great idea, but it seems like no one is really doing a good job and putting something out there to cater to the obvious. transfering your music library from your computer to a HDD in your car that has an interface you can scroll through to access them and wireless sounds like a pretty fukin good idea to me, and pretty mcuh everyone i know i'm sure?? hah perhaps i'm not looking for the right thing on google?
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