Brock
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Q: why do black people drive with a lean?
A: they think the smell is coming from the outside.
get it right dummy.
Brock
A: they think the smell is coming from the outside.
get it right dummy.
lmao brock, thats wrong but meh.
immortal technique is a genious, necro is retarded.
what do i mean? immortal technique is talking govenment in a nation that hates theres. this=respect and bought albums. necro has limited himself to *** and death, something that will NEVER Get played on the airwaves, and NEVER make it on t.v. Don't say you don't have to beon TV to blow up, because you do. How else are you going to reach 4million + people other than on TV
immortal technique is a genious, necro is retarded.
what do i mean? immortal technique is talking govenment in a nation that hates theres. this=respect and bought albums. necro has limited himself to *** and death, something that will NEVER Get played on the airwaves, and NEVER make it on t.v. Don't say you don't have to beon TV to blow up, because you do. How else are you going to reach 4million + people other than on TV
You say Necro is retarded? How do you define retarded? Like I said in my previous post, it's funny that people frown upon artists that do something totally unique, like horror/death rap yet they can watch a horror movie and love it? It's a complete contradiction.
Furthermore, Necro developed himself and his record label from nothing. Does that make him retarded? He started selling CD's on the streets worldwide. He was basically hustling for a long period of time. Dude is still deep underground but now he has a successful substantial business. Is that also retarded?
Another thing, Necro isn't trying to get respect from anyone. Far from it, he has his own point of view and could careless.
It's funny how you guys are so narrow minded. It's fine that you don't like Gore combined with music but just recognize what he has done. It's an accomplishment regardless of your opinions.
Oh and there are plenty of ways to get 4 million + fan base without TV.
I guess as retarded as you think he is, he's smart at making money:
Q: Lyrically you're never be accepted by the mainstream though. Does this bother you?
A: You know something, its like this. Marilyn Manson is burnt for what he does and he's accepted. Eminem viewed as f**ked up and he got accepted. And a lot of Metal acts ended up blowing up and they've been accepted. At the end of the day what it comes down to - its not whether I want to be part of the mainstream. Its about the fact is right now I'm independent.
If I sell 200,000 records I will make $2 million off every record I put out...which is big f**king money!!! If I sell 350,000 that would be considered bad to a major label, but I would make as an independent $3.5 million. So in all reality I could move 1 million independent - Insane Clown Posse have moved 1 million independent, Master P, Cash Money.
Q: Lyrically you're never be accepted by the mainstream though. Does this bother you?
A: You know something, its like this. Marilyn Manson is burnt for what he does and he's accepted. Eminem viewed as f**ked up and he got accepted. And a lot of Metal acts ended up blowing up and they've been accepted. At the end of the day what it comes down to - its not whether I want to be part of the mainstream. Its about the fact is right now I'm independent.
If I sell 200,000 records I will make $2 million off every record I put out...which is big f**king money!!! If I sell 350,000 that would be considered bad to a major label, but I would make as an independent $3.5 million. So in all reality I could move 1 million independent - Insane Clown Posse have moved 1 million independent, Master P, Cash Money.
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As long as there are pre-pubescent kids sticking firecrackers in frog's *****, Necro will never be 'unique' or 'original'
i think different is the term you're looking for. just because he has a very small audience doesn't mean that 'other people dont get it' ...it just means that most people can recognize bad music when they hear it. and thats the same reason most horror and gore flicks are on the bottom shelf at the video store...because they ****.
there are plenty of good artists who make it into the mainstream, and plenty who dont...thats irrelevant. what is relevant is the quality of music, and to most people Necro is not quality. if you think it is, there is nothing wrong with that...it just means you have different tastes.
I need to find a passage from this book i just read...it hits the nail on the head for this conversation. be back later with it....
and quit bulling over the definitions of words. you speak english and so do we...were on the same page.
i think different is the term you're looking for. just because he has a very small audience doesn't mean that 'other people dont get it' ...it just means that most people can recognize bad music when they hear it. and thats the same reason most horror and gore flicks are on the bottom shelf at the video store...because they ****.
there are plenty of good artists who make it into the mainstream, and plenty who dont...thats irrelevant. what is relevant is the quality of music, and to most people Necro is not quality. if you think it is, there is nothing wrong with that...it just means you have different tastes.
I need to find a passage from this book i just read...it hits the nail on the head for this conversation. be back later with it....
and quit bulling over the definitions of words. you speak english and so do we...were on the same page.
Dude, didn't we agree to disagree
Check out this interview it's pretty interesting
http://www.livingformetal.com/interviews/int.aspx?intID=22
I'm not looking for a different term at all. Necro is original. Not up for debate, sorry.
Quality of music doesn't just have to do with taste, hence the Music Theory. There are right ways and wrong ways to make music.
I don't think we are on the same page at all because you keep bring up personal preference and equating it to quality and I'm clearly beyond that. I'm speaking on a completely professional point of view and you seem fixated on the content. Necro mastered his career and continues to do so.
Check out this interview it's pretty interesting
http://www.livingformetal.com/interviews/int.aspx?intID=22
I'm not looking for a different term at all. Necro is original. Not up for debate, sorry.
Quality of music doesn't just have to do with taste, hence the Music Theory. There are right ways and wrong ways to make music.
I don't think we are on the same page at all because you keep bring up personal preference and equating it to quality and I'm clearly beyond that. I'm speaking on a completely professional point of view and you seem fixated on the content. Necro mastered his career and continues to do so.
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here is the passage I was looking for. I suggest you read it. This describes exactly my reaction when I heard Necro years ago. Something along the lines of "wow this dude is dope, hes original" to the present day "this dude blows."
Book : Nation Of Rebels
Author : J Heath & A Potter
Pages : 151 - 152
...Take the example of music. Everyone wants to listen to fabulous "underground" bands. As Hal Niedzviecki writes in his lengthly lament on the subject, "we all want to cast off the shackles of TV, or fast food, or prepackaged snacks and predetermined outfits." Yet "in the mediocre world of top-forty crapola, in our made-in-Taiwain-product-ridden universe, there is...precious little room for the individual as anything other than a buyer." And so we strike back against the tyranny of the machine, searching for creativity and expression, fighting back against the "rigid, profit-obsessed market economy that would turn all creative expression into widgets rolling off the assembly line."
What Niedzviecki doesn't notice is that while we may all want to rebel in this way, we can't all succeed. If we all turn our backs on top-forty crapola and start listening to alternative music, then those alternative bands will become the new top forty. This is precisely what happened to Nirvana. Furthermore, given the structure of the music industry, where it costs a lot to produce an album but very little to make additional copies, this is going to be extremely profitable for whomever most people wind up listening to. The idea that the music industry is "rigid" or that it produces "widgets" could appeal only to to someone in the grip of a theory. Has Niedzviecki never heard of Death Row Records? Has he never seen Christina Aguilera's "Dirrty" video? Who's calling who a widget?
Undaunted, Niedzviecki sets off on a quest to find the holy grail of alternative music - the sound that can't be assimilated. He finds it, at least temporarily, in a Toronto band called Braino. They become the heroes of his narrative, with their "muted howl of rebellion," their "mournful, elegiac articulation of inner dispair." He describes with evident satisfaction the band's performance at their CD launch party, as they play "staccato blasts that unnerve the scattered chattering poseurs and scare the unprepared."
Reading between the lines of Niedzviecki account, however, we are able to acquire some further intelligence about why Braino is so unco-obtable. It quickly becomes apparent that Braino will never be mainstream because they ****. Their music is unlistenable. This is intimated at the outset of his narrative, when Niedzviecki describes the Braino sound as "a self-concious, ironic melange of avant-jazz, rock, punk, soundtrack, and barbershop." This does not sound promising. He later describes Braino as making a "big awkward, painful noise." Later he simply admits, "It's annoying music. You want to walk out."
So there you have it. In an effort to avoid the tyranny of mass society, the rebel finds himself in a half-empty bar listening to music that he himself acknowledges to be "annoying," feeling superior to the poseurs. (The presence of Niedzviecki account is essential. Taste involves distinction, and distinction involves separating "us"--those who are in the know--from "them"--those who serve as the object of scorn and contempt. Poseurs are to cool people the equivalent of Jews or Negroes caught trying to "pass" in the '50's.)
...it goes on and on but i dont feel like typing anymore.
Book : Nation Of Rebels
Author : J Heath & A Potter
Pages : 151 - 152
...Take the example of music. Everyone wants to listen to fabulous "underground" bands. As Hal Niedzviecki writes in his lengthly lament on the subject, "we all want to cast off the shackles of TV, or fast food, or prepackaged snacks and predetermined outfits." Yet "in the mediocre world of top-forty crapola, in our made-in-Taiwain-product-ridden universe, there is...precious little room for the individual as anything other than a buyer." And so we strike back against the tyranny of the machine, searching for creativity and expression, fighting back against the "rigid, profit-obsessed market economy that would turn all creative expression into widgets rolling off the assembly line."
What Niedzviecki doesn't notice is that while we may all want to rebel in this way, we can't all succeed. If we all turn our backs on top-forty crapola and start listening to alternative music, then those alternative bands will become the new top forty. This is precisely what happened to Nirvana. Furthermore, given the structure of the music industry, where it costs a lot to produce an album but very little to make additional copies, this is going to be extremely profitable for whomever most people wind up listening to. The idea that the music industry is "rigid" or that it produces "widgets" could appeal only to to someone in the grip of a theory. Has Niedzviecki never heard of Death Row Records? Has he never seen Christina Aguilera's "Dirrty" video? Who's calling who a widget?
Undaunted, Niedzviecki sets off on a quest to find the holy grail of alternative music - the sound that can't be assimilated. He finds it, at least temporarily, in a Toronto band called Braino. They become the heroes of his narrative, with their "muted howl of rebellion," their "mournful, elegiac articulation of inner dispair." He describes with evident satisfaction the band's performance at their CD launch party, as they play "staccato blasts that unnerve the scattered chattering poseurs and scare the unprepared."
Reading between the lines of Niedzviecki account, however, we are able to acquire some further intelligence about why Braino is so unco-obtable. It quickly becomes apparent that Braino will never be mainstream because they ****. Their music is unlistenable. This is intimated at the outset of his narrative, when Niedzviecki describes the Braino sound as "a self-concious, ironic melange of avant-jazz, rock, punk, soundtrack, and barbershop." This does not sound promising. He later describes Braino as making a "big awkward, painful noise." Later he simply admits, "It's annoying music. You want to walk out."
So there you have it. In an effort to avoid the tyranny of mass society, the rebel finds himself in a half-empty bar listening to music that he himself acknowledges to be "annoying," feeling superior to the poseurs. (The presence of Niedzviecki account is essential. Taste involves distinction, and distinction involves separating "us"--those who are in the know--from "them"--those who serve as the object of scorn and contempt. Poseurs are to cool people the equivalent of Jews or Negroes caught trying to "pass" in the '50's.)
...it goes on and on but i dont feel like typing anymore.
the only other way i can think of to go platinum, is the internet, and that is still solely word of mouth, its not likely to happen from that alone. narrow minded? far from it. where do u think record labels come from, the sky? ALLL LABELS START FROM SCRATCH. i find necro to be someone who can think up some twisted shit and put it out to the public with NO flow what so ever. his song "dead body disposal" shows this.
That passage has no relevance at all
OMG....that song is insane and the flow is like no other. It's continuous in your face. I guess that is where we differ. I think his flow is powerful and unique and it matches his personality and content extremely well.
and Necro is the wrong way. lol. where u see necro has mastered his career is beyond me, cuz in my eyes he hasnt. to master your "career" your at the VERY top. master= rev run. he has a SNEAKER that EVERYONE has owned at one point in there life, or wanted but couldnt afford. he MADE rock and rap fit together, he HAS A TV SHOW, he owns a mansion, hes got a family, and he owns two crazy expensive rides. necro doesnt compare to his level, therefore NOT mastering his career. if he sold 200,000 records, hes NOT making 2 million. when you look at the money he puts in to SELLING those 200,000, studio time, gas money, MATERIALS TO PACKAGE THJE CD's, hes NOT making anywhere NEAR 2 million. id go to say nowhere NEAR 1 million.
powerful presence yes, unique NO. brock said is perfectly, hes DIFFERENT not unique. maybe you can understand when compared to something else. theres plenty of 2005 mustangs out, but the one with 500 horses is DIFFERENT, theres plenty of horror core artists out, and necro is DIFFERENT
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'eh, hes got delivery. but then again its like UPS delivering your package a day early, only to find out theres nothing in the box.
Listen, to make something out of nothing, I consider it successful. You guys are going in the wrong direction. I did in no way compare Necro to anybody like Rev Run or the like that are in the mainstream and making Millions.
Take this for example
I built my own house, a very good house. I consider that to be success at and that I mastered it. Now, I'm not on the level as some builders/devolopers like Trump etc etc but I still mastered it. I still made it from scratch and all the components of it works together. Some people may not like the style of it but there is no doubt that I have a talant. I think you get my point.
Take this for example
I built my own house, a very good house. I consider that to be success at and that I mastered it. Now, I'm not on the level as some builders/devolopers like Trump etc etc but I still mastered it. I still made it from scratch and all the components of it works together. Some people may not like the style of it but there is no doubt that I have a talant. I think you get my point.
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