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LOL, when have I ever done that? That's a page from your gameplan champ.


It's not an attempt, but oh wait, I forgot, you're psychic, right? Can you PLEASE tell me what color I'm think of right now, I really want to know!

I would argue 75% of the super rich didn't "earn" more of their income at all. (Executive Pay - TIME "The top five American CEOs earned a combined $322 million in income last year." I'm sure they really worked hard for all that money, much harder than all the middle class workers, they must have had to work, what, 10 hours a week?) Earning hundreds of millions of dollars doesn't mean you need hundreds of millions of dollars to live comfortably or even lavishly. Most people in this country barely make $1 million in their lifetime, let alone hundreds of millions.

Again, you're more worried about the millionaires and billionaires who have zero financial worries than the guy making $40k a year just hoping his kids can afford to go to a decent college. You can try to justify your devotion, but it doesn't change the obvious characterization. There is no alternative.

No, I'm very sure it's because you simply can't. And besides, according to you, I'll never admit that I was wrong and I'll just keep repeating my argument, so you can have you cake, and eat it too. Exemplify some conservatives who aren't sheep or who don't care about anyone else so to prove me wrong, but then I'll keep making myself look loony anyway!

Government's basic functions do (defense, roads, police/fire, etc) do, but none of the socialism aspects of the American government do. But you knew this, this is you just trying to be petty again.

I never said that all of the 98% of people were "poor people". Keep making up bullshit though, it makes you look smart.

No, again, you're making **** up. I never said I have no disposable income.

No, I don't think anyone deserves more from the government as it stands. I just don't want the government to start doing less to offset the 30 years of tax breaks on the rich. You'll never find me say "I want more from the government". All my arguments are saying that government should just increase taxes on the rich back to the level they were at for 50 years before Reagan, you know, during the most prosperous times for the middle class. And maybe restore some rights for unions (while all creating a check on over-powerful unions).

I make about $700 a month, working five days, minimum wage. How much disposable income do you think I have? I give $200 to my mom every month, I spend around $150 a month to pay for gas to get me to school and work. That leaves me with $350 to pay for everything else. After having to pay for car maintenance and **** like that, I probably have $3500 through a year as disposable. But because I don't give every last cent to some charity, that makes me a hypocrite because I think people who makes hundreds of thousands of dollars a year should pay extra in taxes. Take a step back and look how ridiculous you are being.

I'm not saying that the rich should spend ALL of their disposable income and ALL of their free time on charity that only helps less than 1% of people anyway (the homeless). I'm saying those with enormous incomes should be taxed more than the average person to pay for things beneficial to 99% of people.

I want to use the "sacrifice the 1 to save 99" metaphor, but it's not like you're sacrificing the rich. It's more like cutting the arm of 1 to save 99.

Anyway, I'm done defending your bullshit arguments about me being a hypocrite. You have in firmly in your head that you're psychic, know everything about me, so nothing I say, despite all the logic used, will change your mind. Shit, you probably won't even read it anyway, let alone respond to it. If you want to call me a hypocrite to make yourself feel better, that is fine, it doesn't making taxing the richest 1% of people to benefit 99% of people unfair. Which is exactly what you're trying to accomplish.
Call the 98% poor, middle class, or anything you want... the point is you are part of that 98%, and therefor you would stand to benefit from your 'charity' plan to take money from rich people. You can tap dance around that fact all you want, with your what color am I thinking about now games, but the fact remains that rich people have more money than you, and your stance would remove it from their bank accounts and go towards govt plans that would help YOU.
"I make about $700 a month, working five days, minimum wage. How much disposable income do you think I have? I give $200 to my mom every month, I spend around $150 a month to pay for gas to get me to school and work. That leaves me with $350 to pay for everything else. After having to pay for car maintenance and **** like that, I probably have $3500 through a year as disposable. But because I don't give every last cent to some charity, that makes me a hypocrite because I think people who makes hundreds of thousands of dollars a year should pay extra in taxes. Take a step back and look how ridiculous you are being."

$3500 a year would go a long ways towards helping a homeless person, the local soup kitchen, or many other local charities. How many do you donate to? Zero. And you clearly have plenty of free time on your hands... how much time do you donate to... anything? Since you've once again ignored this question, I'll assume... zero. Hypocrite.

"I'm not saying that the rich should spend ALL of their disposable income and ALL of their free time on charity that only helps less than 1% of people anyway (the homeless). I'm saying those with enormous incomes should be taxed more than the average person to pay for things beneficial to 99% of people."

They already are "taxed more than the average person". Nice attempt to downplay your radical view that the richest people should have absolutely most of their income taxed right out of their wallets. You''ve used figures as high as 70% and even 90%, and then want to claim you are the one here championing fairness. Take a step back and look how ridiculous you are being.

Even ignoring you horde your disposable income and donate ZERO of it to the needy, you donate ZERO of your time to helping too. But we are suppose to think you are being fair when you say 'I'm not saying that the rich should spend ALL of their disposable income and ALL of their free time on charity'... you donate ZERO, and yet you seem to get to decide what is fair that others donate. Hypocrite.

"I want to use the "sacrifice the 1 to save 99" metaphor, but it's not like you're sacrificing the rich. It's more like cutting the arm of 1 to save 99."

Hey look, the mantra of socialism, coming out of Prox's mouth, yet again.

"Anyway, I'm done defending your bullshit arguments about me being a hypocrite. You have in firmly in your head that you're psychic, know everything about me, so nothing I say, despite all the logic used, will change your mind."

Your little psychic argument might have some meaning if we'd just started this debate. But Ive listened to you jabber on for over a month now. I have a pretty good sense of your stance, and your reasoning behind it.

"****, you probably won't even read it anyway, let alone respond to it. If you want to call me a hypocrite to make yourself feel better, that is fine, it doesn't making taxing the richest 1% of people to benefit 99% of people unfair. Which is exactly what you're trying to accomplish."

You've pissed and moaned that I should listen to you, well I have. But now that I have, and drew a conclusion that you dont like, you claim Im simply speaking based on assumptions and not reading what you say. //content.invisioncic.com/y282845/emoticons/laugh.gif.48439b2acf2cfca21620f01e7f77d1e4.gif

Deny being a hypocrite because you dont practice what you preach all you want, it doesn't making removing money from someone's pocket who earned it, to give to someone who didnt, fair simply because the guy who didnt earn it has less income.

 
I would argue 75% of the super rich didn't "earn" more of their income at all. (Executive Pay - TIME "The top five American CEOs earned a combined $322 million in income last year." I'm sure they really worked hard for all that money, much harder than all the middle class workers, they must have had to work, what, 10 hours a week?) Earning hundreds of millions of dollars doesn't mean you need hundreds of millions of dollars to live comfortably or even lavishly. Most people in this country barely make $1 million in their lifetime, let alone hundreds of millions.
I saved this quote for last, because this is the crux of your issue, and the heart of your jealousy towards 'rich' people. If you had more experience in the business world, you'd understand that 'risk' is 'work'. Multi-millionaires making daily business decisions take much larger financial risks than you do at your minimum wage earning job. They also, more often than not, payed their due to get where they are (yes, even kids born rich). Business owners make difficult decisions, and take financial risks, every day. This has value, whether you chose to see that or not. Why does an air traffic controller make good money? He just sits in a comfy chair all day. Why does the manager of your local grocery store make more money than the cashiers and bag boys? Why does the boss at virtually every business in the world make more than the people below him? Chances are that boss has a physically easier job. The answer? Education and experience (dues payed), and risk versus reward. Concepts you obviously have no clue about, because you've yet to go further in life than a bag-boy college freshman know-it-all. Get a clue.

The funniest part of all this is you have no clue what a slippery slope you tread on. Weeks ago I chalked it up to inexperience and naivety, now I chalk it up to simple stupidity.

 
LOL, when have I ever done that? That's a page from your gameplan champ.You have done that at least 20 times between three threads infact you also changed the topic to workers rights and other bull crap trying to say that applies but actual economic issues don't apply because they dont fit into the liberal playbook

It's not an attempt, but oh wait, I forgot, you're psychic, right? Can you PLEASE tell me what color I'm think of right now, I really want to know!

why does he have to be psychic? he is going off the things you say and have said

I would argue 75% of the super rich didn't "earn" more of their income at all. (Executive Pay - TIME "The top five American CEOs earned a combined $322 million in income last year." I'm sure they really worked hard for all that money, much harder than all the middle class workers, they must have had to work, what, 10 hours a week?) Earning hundreds of millions of dollars doesn't mean you need hundreds of millions of dollars to live comfortably or even lavishly. Most people in this country barely make $1 million in their lifetime, let alone hundreds of millions.

time is a far left hack mag now has been for years, what about the top 30 athletes income?

Again, you're more worried about the millionaires and billionaires who have zero financial worries than the guy making $40k a year just hoping his kids can afford to go to a decent college. You can try to justify your devotion, but it doesn't change the obvious characterization. There is no alternative.

marxist?

No, I'm very sure it's because you simply can't. And besides, according to you, I'll never admit that I was wrong and I'll just keep repeating my argument, so you can have you cake, and eat it too. Exemplify some conservatives who aren't sheep or who don't care about anyone else so to prove me wrong, but then I'll keep making myself look loony anyway!

you are a marxist, you know it and that is why you only explain your views to a point

Government's basic functions do (defense, roads, police/fire, etc) do, but none of the socialism aspects of the American government do. But you knew this, this is you just trying to be petty again.

Government under your system also picks winners and losers so it makes some richier and others poorer by design and yes even those who are super rich

I never said that all of the 98% of people were "poor people". Keep making up bullshit though, it makes you look smart.

You misuse your stats often

No, again, you're making **** up. I never said I have no disposable income.

You must have to be on line and have a pc

No, I don't think anyone deserves more from the government as it stands. I just don't want the government to start doing less to offset the 30 years of tax breaks on the rich. You'll never find me say "I want more from the government". All my arguments are saying that government should just increase taxes on the rich back to the level they were at for 50 years before Reagan, you know, during the most prosperous times for the middle class. And maybe restore some rights for unions (while all creating a check on over-powerful unions).

This is a lie, you stated welfare should get people on their feet, all that it is set up for is to get people by nothing else. Your perception is very skewed because in this thread you said welfare was the equivalence of teaching someone to fish when it clearly is not.

I make about $700 a month, working five days, minimum wage. How much disposable income do you think I have? I give $200 to my mom every month, I spend around $150 a month to pay for gas to get me to school and work. That leaves me with $350 to pay for everything else. After having to pay for car maintenance and **** like that, I probably have $3500 through a year as disposable. But because I don't give every last cent to some charity, that makes me a hypocrite because I think people who makes hundreds of thousands of dollars a year should pay extra in taxes. Take a step back and look how ridiculous you are being.

You just said earlier you had NOT MUCH disposible income now you have 3500 a year. Since welfare is good why not donate 1750 to someone on welfare that way you can live the equivalent lifestyle you are striving for?

I'm not saying that the rich should spend ALL of their disposable income and ALL of their free time on charity that only helps less than 1% of people anyway (the homeless). I'm saying those with enormous incomes should be taxed more than the average person to pay for things beneficial to 99% of people.

They already are taxed more

I want to use the "sacrifice the 1 to save 99" metaphor, but it's not like you're sacrificing the rich. It's more like cutting the arm of 1 to save 99.

As long as it is someone elses money?

Anyway, I'm done defending your bullshit arguments about me being a hypocrite. You have in firmly in your head that you're psychic, know everything about me, so nothing I say, despite all the logic used, will change your mind. Shit, you probably won't even read it anyway, let alone respond to it. If you want to call me a hypocrite to make yourself feel better, that is fine, it doesn't making taxing the richest 1% of people to benefit 99% of people unfair. Which is exactly what you're trying to accomplish.
You are a hypocrite

 
I think we should disband our entire military, sell all of our technology, weapons, hardware, etc to Iran, and divide the money up between all the countries homeless people.

Seems only fair.

 
Sad, huh? People like Prox give liberals a bad name.
Prox seems to think you have to hate one side or the other. I generally hate the system and the whole political garbage that we have to deal with, but I don't hate one side or the other because of fiscal or moral beliefs. More often than not the truth/good lies somewhere in the middle ground.

 
More often than not the truth/good lies somewhere in the middle ground.
That is the bullshit that I hate. Truth isn't an average of two subjective arguments. You just take two viewpoints and because you don't want to take the effort (like I have) to determine the objective truth, you just take the easy way out and say the truth must be in the middle.

But, since I'm sure you're so attuned to your both sides have equal weight theory, let me tell you this. Speaking from a global perspective, we don't have the left and right in this country. We have the center (democrats) and the right. I, believe it or not, am in the center.

 
That is the bullshit that I hate. Truth isn't an average of two subjective arguments. You just take two viewpoints and because you don't want to take the effort (like I have) to determine the objective truth, you just take the easy way out and say the truth must be in the middle.
You're right, I'm sure a 21 year old college kid living at home with mommy has this whole thing down pat. //content.invisioncic.com/y282845/emoticons/laugh.gif.48439b2acf2cfca21620f01e7f77d1e4.gif

But, since I'm sure you're so attuned to your both sides have equal weight theory, let me tell you this. Speaking from a global perspective, we don't have the left and right in this country. We have the center (democrats) and the right. I, believe it or not, am in the center.
You're delusional.

Go find a politically based forum to rant on, you're not welcome here. //content.invisioncic.com/y282845/emoticons/fyi.gif.9f1f679348da7204ce960cfc74bca8e0.gif

 
You don't really think libertarians are in the center, do you? //content.invisioncic.com/y282845/emoticons/crap.gif.7f4dd41e3e9b23fbd170a1ee6f65cecc.gif
Since the dems are the center, according to your groundbreaking new structure, I assume they can't be? //content.invisioncic.com/y282845/emoticons/laugh.gif.48439b2acf2cfca21620f01e7f77d1e4.gif

 
You're right, I'm sure a 21 year old college kid living at home with mommy has this whole thing down pat. //content.invisioncic.com/y282845/emoticons/laugh.gif.48439b2acf2cfca21620f01e7f77d1e4.gif
A lot more than you, apparently. You really don't see the naivety of thinking that the truth always lies in the middle of two arguments? You really don't think that is stupid and close minded?

You're delusional.
Oh really?

US Presidential Election 2008

Hmm.

If you really think I'm delusional, you know absolutely nothing about politics.

 
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