It has nothing to do with the truth. You simply won't respond to anything I say. So what is the point? No matter what I say, you're just going to come back with "You're just a hypocrite", because that's all you have, insults.
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Yeah, and all we have to show for it is those horrible disgusting things like child labor laws, minimum wage, union/other various worker rights and protections, food safety regulations, financial regulations that prevent more great depressions that happen, medicare and social security. All those **** things that allow the people that don't make a million dollars a year to live a decent life. What a horrible group of people.
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I have never argued against the things you speak of. Nice try. What I have said is, you wish to expand govt, on someone elses dollar. And you just so happen to be in the percentile that will benefit from that other man's dime.
Zing.
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Anyone who has been on this forum in the past several weeks has seen me try to respond to your logic, repeatedly. In the end, your logic is based upon a paranoid ideology that all conservative individuals are inherently bad. Some people are simply beyond a reasonable discussion. You are one of those people. If that pisses you off, so sorry, not my fault.
And just to piss you off a bit more, Im simply stating fact. You get all high and mighty about helping the poor, when its someone's elses dime. But when asked what YOU do to help others less fortunate than you, the best you can conjure is some lame story about handing a bum some change through your car window. It doesnt take a leap in logic to see the hypocritical nature of that situation. Grow up, and start doing something your own damn self before you complain about other people. Hypocrite.
Yes everything stated here not being done is what led us to the finacial mess we are in now and medicare social security is all free well spent money ran through the efficient US American government...man I tell you what I am glad they closed that there bootleg nike sweat shop on my block. All those 4 and 5 year olds making shoes and skipping out on kindergarden and pre school is a bad deal.
Go back 100 years, before a proactive government, and that is what you had. But according to you, there was much less poverty then. You're real smart.
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Yes, but it's SO Freakin' funny!!!
"Proximity's dumbassedness makes my brain hurt. "
Yes, but it's SO Freakin' funny!!!
Quoting my post and writing some blanket statement that addresses nothing specifically isn't responding. Sorry. Did you use to respond? Yes, but you don't any more.
Stop putting the cart before the horse. My belief that all conservatives are bad is based on my ideology. My ideology comes from observing reality and determining, logically, what is good for people and what is bad for people. Liberalism is good for people, you admitted that, but now you cry that it's just "unfair". If the top 1% of the people in this country living a little less lavishly so the other 99% can live a little more lavishly isn't fair, then what the fuck IS fair? What it comes down to is you're more worried about what is fair for the top 1% of people than what is for for 99% of the people.
Like I said in a previous post (that got ignored by everyone, I wonder why), the top 20% of people own 93% of this country. And you're too worried that things might not be perfectly fair for them.
What I really want to know, audioholic, is how you came to be so brainwashed to worry more about the person making $1 million dollars a year than the person $20k a year. I think everyone, conservative and liberal, would admit that our government is **** near ran by corporations. Well guess what? The same rhetoric and ideology that allows that to happen is the same rhetoric that brainwashes you. Without people like you who are so worried about the poor millionaires who I want to tax more, our country would be ran by the people, not corporations.
You've yet to give me one characterization of a conservative who isn't a sheep or doesn't care about anyone else.
I get high and mighty about helping EVERYONE, not just "the poor". Government helps everyone but the super rich. If you don't realize this, you're too stupid or blindfolded to see it. Plus, like I said, I have practically no disposable income, especially compared to the rich people who you think I'm jealous of.
Happy new year.
You really want the Gov'ment to run everything? You mean...like all the other Gov'ment success stories? Social Security? Will be bankrupt in 2016. Medicare? Medicaid? Broke. You mean like the Fanny & Freddy success stories? (Quasi-government entities). Post Office? Broke. State & Federal employees retirement funds, underfunded, or broke.
The Great Society is a redistributionist scheme, and it has redistributed easily six-to-seven trillion dollars, from the haves to the have-nots, and yet the same arguments have only intensified. We're more unfair than we've ever been; people are in more poverty than they've ever been; the country's best days are behind; we've lost our promise. We're not what we should be; we're not what we once were; we're not what we can be. If it had worked, the last time that we tried unchecked Democrat power, then there wouldn't be any arguments the liberals could make today. The fairness argument would be out the window because everybody would be happy and everybody would be equal. But it's human nature, and it's been proven around the world, people who have things provided for them end up miserable, because even during such times there is massive redistribution, there are still people who are a cut above and work their tails off to overcome the limits that government places on them via redistribution, and that just makes you liberals even angrier.
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"If the top 1% of the people in this country living a little less lavishly so the other 99% can live a little more lavishly isn't fair, then what the **** IS fair?"
How about they earn it themselves? That would be as fair as it gets.
The Great Society is a redistributionist scheme, and it has redistributed easily six-to-seven trillion dollars, from the haves to the have-nots, and yet the same arguments have only intensified. We're more unfair than we've ever been; people are in more poverty than they've ever been; the country's best days are behind; we've lost our promise. We're not what we should be; we're not what we once were; we're not what we can be. If it had worked, the last time that we tried unchecked Democrat power, then there wouldn't be any arguments the liberals could make today. The fairness argument would be out the window because everybody would be happy and everybody would be equal. But it's human nature, and it's been proven around the world, people who have things provided for them end up miserable, because even during such times there is massive redistribution, there are still people who are a cut above and work their tails off to overcome the limits that government places on them via redistribution, and that just makes you liberals even angrier.
Proximity
"If the top 1% of the people in this country living a little less lavishly so the other 99% can live a little more lavishly isn't fair, then what the **** IS fair?"
How about they earn it themselves? That would be as fair as it gets.
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FDR gave us Social Security. FDR set the stage for national health care. History has credited FDR for bringing us out of the Great Depression with these programs. These programs of his prolonged it. What got us out of the Great Depression was World War II and ratcheting up an economy to manufacture the armaments and materiel necessary to fight World War II. Everybody in the country was working around the clock, Rosie the Riveter, as an example. Even women went into factories, which was unheard of, en masse, back then. And since then what have we done? We've compounded it. We've had the Great Society. We've had the War on Poverty. We have had numerous social programs built upon social programs. We've had Head Start, we've had WIC, we've had AFDC. All the money, all the transfers of wealth from the producers to nonproducers should have cured all of these ills, should it not? And yet on a percentage basis we still have the same percentage of people in poverty, the same percentage of people in the lower classes, the middle class, the five quintiles. The percentages are pretty much the same.
None of this stuff has been wiped out, despite all these efforts by the government. The people who have escaped the lower socioeconomic realms in our society are those who did not rely on government to do it! This is the key, this is the important thing. They did not rely on an FDR; they didn't rely on a Barack Obama; they didn't rely on an LBJ; they didn't rely on affirmative action; they didn't rely on all these redundant programs built atop one another in order to escape whatever it was about their lives they didn't like. They used themselves. They ended up being their best resource, and I say to you, you are your best resource for fulfilling whatever need or desire or ambition you have. Your best resource is not somebody else. I don't care if it's your parents, I don't care if it's your family, I don't care if it's your president. You end up having to do it. If you don't do it for yourself, nobody else is going to do it for you. Nobody is going to come along and decide that a fair wage for you is $150,000 a year, and that's what you are automatically going to get paid. That will never, ever happen. I don't care if Obama gets dictatorial control of this country, that is not going to happen, it cannot happen. That's not what he wants anyway. He wants all of us in as much need and dependence as he can get us. He doesn't want prosperity for people. He doesn't want wealth for people. If he did, there would be no limit on who gets a tax cut.
Your American dream ends at whatever the figure is today, it's waffling now between $250,000 down to $200,000 in terms of annual income over which you get a tax increase and under which you get a tax cut. The evidence is scattered across the world, but it is focused right here in the United States of America. Every effort to provide salvation for economically aggrieved, socially aggrieved groups by the Democrats has been applied. We have spent trillions, we have cared, we have used our compassion, and yet they still exist and they're still angry, and they're still hopeless, and they're still enraged. And guess what? They're still waiting. They're still waiting for a magic man to come along and finally do it right. There is no right way to do what FDR tried, what the Democrats are trying now, what Obama wants to try. There's no right way to do it. The evidence is worldwide that it fails. All around us we see people who have exceeded their own expectations. We see people constantly who surprise everybody with their ambition, their work ethic, and their success. Those are the people, by the way, under an Obama presidency who will become the target. They become the object of punishment.
Those who do not get the proscriptions of a government assistance program of any kind get out of whatever circumstance they're in that they don't like, they use themselves as a resource, they become successful and prosperous, they open businesses, they hire other people, they try to grow, they do everything they can, they play by the rules as best they can. They, the ones who actually use the individual freedom this country provides that FDR and Obama are lying about, they who actually use the freedom are those who prosper. They are the ones who overcome. Those who sit around and wait for a resource other than themselves to lift them up are forever going to be waiting. If there's a recession, you don't necessarily have to participate. If there is high unemployment, you don't necessarily have to participate. The United States of America is one country where you can create your own job, if you choose. You don't have to. You can stay on unemployment or whatever and wait for something to come along that you like. Or you may say, "I don't want to leave town, I don't want to leave where I am," fine and dandy. Just understand the limits that all of us place on ourselves are self-imposed.
None of this stuff has been wiped out, despite all these efforts by the government. The people who have escaped the lower socioeconomic realms in our society are those who did not rely on government to do it! This is the key, this is the important thing. They did not rely on an FDR; they didn't rely on a Barack Obama; they didn't rely on an LBJ; they didn't rely on affirmative action; they didn't rely on all these redundant programs built atop one another in order to escape whatever it was about their lives they didn't like. They used themselves. They ended up being their best resource, and I say to you, you are your best resource for fulfilling whatever need or desire or ambition you have. Your best resource is not somebody else. I don't care if it's your parents, I don't care if it's your family, I don't care if it's your president. You end up having to do it. If you don't do it for yourself, nobody else is going to do it for you. Nobody is going to come along and decide that a fair wage for you is $150,000 a year, and that's what you are automatically going to get paid. That will never, ever happen. I don't care if Obama gets dictatorial control of this country, that is not going to happen, it cannot happen. That's not what he wants anyway. He wants all of us in as much need and dependence as he can get us. He doesn't want prosperity for people. He doesn't want wealth for people. If he did, there would be no limit on who gets a tax cut.
Your American dream ends at whatever the figure is today, it's waffling now between $250,000 down to $200,000 in terms of annual income over which you get a tax increase and under which you get a tax cut. The evidence is scattered across the world, but it is focused right here in the United States of America. Every effort to provide salvation for economically aggrieved, socially aggrieved groups by the Democrats has been applied. We have spent trillions, we have cared, we have used our compassion, and yet they still exist and they're still angry, and they're still hopeless, and they're still enraged. And guess what? They're still waiting. They're still waiting for a magic man to come along and finally do it right. There is no right way to do what FDR tried, what the Democrats are trying now, what Obama wants to try. There's no right way to do it. The evidence is worldwide that it fails. All around us we see people who have exceeded their own expectations. We see people constantly who surprise everybody with their ambition, their work ethic, and their success. Those are the people, by the way, under an Obama presidency who will become the target. They become the object of punishment.
Those who do not get the proscriptions of a government assistance program of any kind get out of whatever circumstance they're in that they don't like, they use themselves as a resource, they become successful and prosperous, they open businesses, they hire other people, they try to grow, they do everything they can, they play by the rules as best they can. They, the ones who actually use the individual freedom this country provides that FDR and Obama are lying about, they who actually use the freedom are those who prosper. They are the ones who overcome. Those who sit around and wait for a resource other than themselves to lift them up are forever going to be waiting. If there's a recession, you don't necessarily have to participate. If there is high unemployment, you don't necessarily have to participate. The United States of America is one country where you can create your own job, if you choose. You don't have to. You can stay on unemployment or whatever and wait for something to come along that you like. Or you may say, "I don't want to leave town, I don't want to leave where I am," fine and dandy. Just understand the limits that all of us place on ourselves are self-imposed.
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Im not interested in playing your game, by your rules. You piss and moan if I dont respond to some point of yours, then you turn around and do the same, justifying it by claiming my post wasnt worth responding to. And even when I do respond to your nonsense, you claim Im not responding in the manner you expected, or not answering in the manner you want. You're fucking nuts if you think Im going to play your little game. lul
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