Tweeters in install not loud at all..

[fredridge 10+ year member]

agreed about the tweeters not being loud on their own, depending on the tweets and crossover points. I tho.ught I had put that too, but was mostly responding to the misinformation that was posted.... also was trying not to complicate it too much

but though they may play the same freq even at 12db, unless there is an overlap in crossover points, the 2nd order will have considerably less output and possibly a rise in impedance. and even if there isn't and they play the same frequencies it would not increase the output of the tweet itself......

for example. if the amp is doubling power and now seeing 2 ohm instead of 4 the tweeter is still seeing the same amount of power because it is sharing that power with another driver.

Tweets/mids will play some of the same freqs unless your xover is severely underlapped or 24dB slopes or higher and I HIGHLY doubt a passive set is doing that. Probably 12dB at best with the mids playing up close to the xover point for the tweeters.
I run active and when I turn off the mids the tweets have very little output compared to how they sound with the mids playing. No different then how much fuller music sounds with the subs on vs off.

 

[DidUHearThat? 10+ year member]

wow--- nope, doesn't work that way unless they are playing the same frequencies.






your gains are not volume knobs, but an adjustment that allows you to get the optimum settings from different inputs since they are not all the same.... if you are running passives the crossovers probably reduce the output to the tweeters to match them with the mids, so you need to get get the mids in there and set the gains properly before you will know if anything is wrong.

??? You quoted me, but I don't think your comments are for me? WTF?

Are you saying my diagnosis is wrong, after it has been shown I was correct? Or did you mean to quote someone else?

We already solved the problem before you posted in this thread.

 

[DidUHearThat? 10+ year member]

agreed about the tweeters not being loud on their own, depending on the tweets and crossover points. I tho.ught I had put that too, but was mostly responding to the misinformation that was posted.... also was trying not to complicate it too much
but though they may play the same freq even at 12db, unless there is an overlap in crossover points, the 2nd order will have considerably less output and possibly a rise in impedance. and even if there isn't and they play the same frequencies it would not increase the output of the tweet itself......

for example. if the amp is doubling power and now seeing 2 ohm instead of 4 the tweeter is still seeing the same amount of power because it is sharing that power with another driver.

WTF are you talking about? Put down the pipe and read the thread.

 

[fredridge 10+ year member]

I did quote you... the information your provided was wrong....not sure where you "solved" any problem. You provided inaccurate information.

this was the statement I was responding to when I quoted you:

You have to hook up the mids as well. With just one driver the ohm load at the crossover is wrong and it feeds the wrong amount of power and the wrong frequecy crossover point to the driver.

I said you were wrong and you are. Read some of my other posts and they clarify why you were wrong. If you have a 2 way component (tweet & Mid) set and you unhook one of the drivers it does not change the crossover point, load or amount of power going to the other driver.

best way to understand this is to do some research on how tri-mode on an amplifier works and why.

the second half of my post was related to the OP and his statements about the gains.

??? You quoted me, but I don't think your comments are for me? WTF?
Are you saying my diagnosis is wrong, after it has been shown I was correct? Or did you mean to quote someone else?

We already solved the problem before you posted in this thread.

 

[fredridge 10+ year member]

read what I quoted. //content.invisioncic.com/y282845/emoticons/wink.gif.608e3ea05f1a9f98611af0861652f8fb.gif

WTF are you talking about? Put down the pipe and read the thread.

 

[James Bang 5,000+ posts]

IIRC if you have a mid or tweet not connected to a passive crossover, it will not change the xover point or attenuation of ther other speaker. What will most likely change the x-over point is if you put in a mid or tweet that has a different ohm load.

 

[James Bang 5,000+ posts]

Fred. Don't worry about the bad or false information on here.

Survival of the fittest //content.invisioncic.com/y282845/emoticons/tongue.gif.6130eb82179565f6db8d26d6001dcd24.gif

You'll go crazy trying to correct all the misinformed here.

 

[DidUHearThat? 10+ year member]

I did quote you... the information your provided was wrong....not sure where you "solved" any problem. You provided inaccurate information.
I said you were wrong and you are. Read some of my other posts and they clarify why you were wrong. If you have a 2 way component (tweet & Mid) set and you unhook one of the drivers it does not change the crossover point, load or amount of power going to the other driver.

best way to understand this is to do some research on how tri-mode on an amplifier works and why.

the second half of my post was related to the OP and his statements about the gains.

It does, and it did.

I have experienced this many times, and it did solve the problem. I was right.

"Tri-mode"? You think your going to school me about how audio works? LOL! FYI, I have been making my living as a pro audio engineer for almost 20 years.

 

[DidUHearThat? 10+ year member]

IIRC if you have a mid or tweet not connected to a passive crossover, it will not change the xover point or attenuation of ther other speaker. What will most likely change the x-over point is if you put in a mid or tweet that has a different ohm load.

LOL! I just did this with my components recently, my solution worked for the OP, and I have seen this happen at least a hundred times.

The OP said it fixed the problem, then you two come in here and argue that I'm wrong? Everybody thinks they're a wise guy. //content.invisioncic.com/y282845/emoticons/rolleyes.gif.c1fef805e9d1464d377451cd5bc18bfb.gif

 

[fredridge 10+ year member]

LOL- I have a special shark repellent necklace and there are no sharks around my house, so therefore my special necklace works.//content.invisioncic.com/y282845/emoticons/wink.gif.608e3ea05f1a9f98611af0861652f8fb.gif

Sorry, I never saw him post that it works...... did you read where someone posted that tweeters themselves are not all that loud? This is very often true and the mids do the largest chunk of the works because this is where a large chunk of instrumental and vocal information is recorded.

pro audio engineer for 20 years.... wow, those are some serious credentials..... Sorry I am only a hobbyist so obviously not as smart about audio as you.

here is a link to help you understand.

http://www.bcae1.com/trimodpd.htm

start at the part where it says tri-mode with different types of speakers. I will post a couple sentences from it. and before you start congratulating yourself about how smart you are and how you told us, you might want to spend some time on that site...it is excellent and would probably be of great value to you in your chosen profession.//content.invisioncic.com/y282845/emoticons/wink.gif.608e3ea05f1a9f98611af0861652f8fb.gif

For this next example... If the passive crossover has a crossover point of 150 hertz and the crossover components are connected as follows:  

The high frequency speakers will not load the amplifier below 150 hertz and the low frequency speakers will not load the amplifier above 150 hertz. In the real world, the point where the high and low pass speakers stop being a load on the amplifier is not as abrupt as this and there is actually an overlap of frequencies where both high and low frequency drivers are a load (albeit an ever decreasing load) on the amplifier. There is no single point in the audio spectrum where both the high frequency and low frequency drivers present their rated impedance to the amplifier.

It does, and it did.I have experienced this many times, and it did solve the problem. I was right.

"Tri-mode"? You think your going to school me about how audio works? LOL! FYI, I have been making my living as a pro audio engineer for almost 20 years.

LOL! I just did this with my components recently, my solution worked for the OP, and I have seen this happen at least a hundred times.The OP said it fixed the problem, then you two come in here and argue that I'm wrong? Everybody thinks they're a wise guy. //content.invisioncic.com/y282845/emoticons/rolleyes.gif.c1fef805e9d1464d377451cd5bc18bfb.gif

 

[916Kev 10+ year member]

Quit arguing over the Internet. It's a waste of time.

 

[fredridge 10+ year member]

you can't just let someone be wrong on the interwebz- that is a slipper slope, next thing you know people all over the internetz would be wrong and no one would do anything about it, then all the tubes would get clogged up and the internetz would fail:wow:

Quit arguing over the Internet. It's a waste of time.

 

[teen 10+ year member]

:idea:easy way to solve this. OP, did DIDUHEARTHATS's response fix your problem or no?

 

[fredridge 10+ year member]

actually, the BEST way to solve this is to do some research and find out for yourself which is true.

:idea:easy way to solve this. OP, did DIDUHEARTHATS's response fix your problem or no?

 

[Alpineforever 10+ year member]

:idea:easy way to solve this. OP, did DIDUHEARTHATS's response fix your problem or no?

Easy way to solve your question (if it isn't sarcasm)... "Teen, did you read the whole post or no?"