Tubes.....and the Jerks that use them.

[JimJ 5,000+ posts]

Don't have to try very hard...

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[CBFryman2 5,000+ posts]

As night falls, Jim finds peace and harmony as he puts in his favorite musicand listens to his tube amp system...... unbeknownst to him as to what is about to take place...

Beat Dominator.... slams open Jims' house door holding a 100 pound

solid state amp cradled under his right arm and yells .......................................

...............................................................

.............................................................. I'm The Juggernaut B*tch!!

reference;

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-3934651591022114445

Pfft

Chuck Norris dressed as the Juggernaut.

 

[desertheat 10+ year member]

And you know what happened to the Juggernaut haha, he got owned by a tiny chick and a bald nerd. Beat, you need to expand your mind bro. Tubes are pure audio sex.

 

[PenguinsAudio 10+ year member]

the argument continues, and my garage is still warm

 

[GordonW 10+ year member]

Beautiful...pictures of setup now //content.invisioncic.com/y282845/emoticons/biggrin.gif.d71a5d36fcbab170f2364c9f2e3946cb.gif
Digital or analog source? //content.invisioncic.com/y282845/emoticons/wink.gif.608e3ea05f1a9f98611af0861652f8fb.gif

Primary source is VPI TNT turntable, with VPI SDS speed-control unit, VPI JMW12.5 arm and Ortofon Jubilee moving-coil cartridge. Secondary source is Creek CD-50 CD player.

Speakers, are Martin-Logan Prodigys with twin Descent subwoofers (one subwoofer per channel, stereo bass). I can literally make the front windows of the store move in and out visibly on pipe organs... //content.invisioncic.com/y282845/emoticons/biggrin.gif.d71a5d36fcbab170f2364c9f2e3946cb.gif

Regards,

Gordon.

 

[GordonW 10+ year member]

And as to why a $20000 tube amp? For the same reason they build Ferrari Enzos, Bugattis, Koenigseggs, McLaren F1s and such. Sometimes, you just want the VERY BEST POSSIBLE, no matter what it costs...

Regards,

Gordon.

 

[thylantyr 10+ year member]

Car analogies and audio never work well.

I can't make a pig into a Ferrari but I can take an ordinary cheap tube circuit

and 'bling bling' the chassis with diamond and gold plating.

 

[JimJ 5,000+ posts]

Yikes...quite a source setup no matter what the amplification is //content.invisioncic.com/y282845/emoticons/smile.gif.1ebc41e1811405b213edfc4622c41e27.gif

 

[JimJ 5,000+ posts]

Car analogies and audio never work well.
I can't make a pig into a Ferrari but I can take an ordinary cheap tube circuit

and 'bling bling' the chassis with diamond and gold plating.

Seems to me you just set up another analogy...you could just as easily take a Fiero and make it look like a Lambo, but will it perform the same?

 

[Beat_Dominator 5,000+ posts]

Feiro lambos are teh bomz0rz.

 

[GordonW 10+ year member]

Car analogies and audio never work well.
I can't make a pig into a Ferrari but I can take an ordinary cheap tube circuit

and 'bling bling' the chassis with diamond and gold plating.

Um, 6SN7 tubes aren't cheap. They are more linear than any other form of analog amplification device, but they're not cheap.

1000VA power transformers aren't cheap.

Output transformers with 10-40000 Hz bandwidth (+- 1 dB) and 180+ w/ch output capacity before the onset of saturation (into a 2 ohm load!) aren't cheap.

Transformer-coupled moving-coil phono stages (again with 10-40000 Hz +- 1 dB bandwidth) aren't cheap to build.

The real hardware is there...

Regards,

Gordon.

 

[Beat_Dominator 5,000+ posts]

My amp is down 1dB at 80khz //content.invisioncic.com/y282845/emoticons/crap.gif.7f4dd41e3e9b23fbd170a1ee6f65cecc.gif

 

[GordonW 10+ year member]

My amp is down 1dB at 80khz //content.invisioncic.com/y282845/emoticons/crap.gif.7f4dd41e3e9b23fbd170a1ee6f65cecc.gif

Try hooking a transformer to the output, and see what the frequency response is. Good transformers are hard to find, and EXPENSIVE...

But worth it, when they're done properly. BTW, even though it's down 1 dB 1t 40KHZ, it's only down 3 dB at 100KHz... so it's not a brick-wall rolloff, by any measure. Phase response from 20Hz to 20KHZ is still exemplary, which is really what matters...

 

[Beat_Dominator 5,000+ posts]

I don't have test equip. so I just use the test results that John Atkinson got. //content.invisioncic.com/y282845/emoticons/tongue.gif.6130eb82179565f6db8d26d6001dcd24.gif

 

[thylantyr 10+ year member]

Think outside the speaker box. Get a SS amp with high clipping headroom

and install 'DSP' to mimick your tube amp distortion sonic signature vs. spending

big dollars on tube amps with esoteric components. People frown upon this

because they feel cheated when there is a simple pathway. There is no

benefit from a marketing point of view -> why sell a SS DSP amp for $500

when they know people will buy the $20k esoteric tube amp. lol