Transit officer that executed kid arrested while trying to flee the state

[Flipx99 5,000+ posts]

I thought this was going to be brought up. But anyways, it could have been a mistake, as nobody knows what this guys intentions were. I was rather disgusted when I saw the news story about this to begin with but it pisses me off that the people of Oakland get so riled up about this but there are SO many other issues that are far more important to the safety of the public.
By all means, I think this guy should be tried with jury, but it's one thing for people to accuse things without knowing the truth.

Perhaps the people of Oakland are upset that the police officer wasn't addressing more important issues. I get upset when I see police sitting there trying to catch speeders or people who don't come to complete stops at redlights and stop signs.

But I brought that up because the actions of the police officer are reflected on the government. The police officer is acting as an agent of the government. To turn this into finance, the outcry is based on a principle - agent conflict. //content.invisioncic.com/y282845/emoticons/wink.gif.608e3ea05f1a9f98611af0861652f8fb.gif

 

[DBfan187 5,000+ posts]

The real culprit is Al "Dracula" Davis.

 

[its_bacon12 10+ year member]

How am I twisting the truth when I made a comparison? Watch the video, he clearly aims and shoots. I dont know how you dont see this. This is why I am saying you are blinded.
There are protests about gang violence, which is what the earlier events of that day of rioting started out as. Different groups of peopel came out later to start trouble.

how is that relevant to the public outcry against this cop. People pick and choose their battles. Some people block traffic by walking though it to support gay rights. SOme people burn cars when their sports team wins. Some people burn crosses because they dont like another race.

Your issue doesnt need to be addressed, it boils down to people choosing the action they want to take for the event at hand.

I agree with the last part, but when your streets are plagued by violence and you choose to riot over one mistake (or intent, unsure yet) by an officer, your values are seriously misplaced.

It's obvious this guy is going to be dealt with in the public eye with a serious degree of scrutiny. Also, I did say I saw the officer get up and pull the gun out. Whether the shot was intentional or not is the issue at hand, which you refuse to acknowledge.

 

[Chevillac 5,000+ posts]

Perhaps the people of Oakland are upset that the police officer wasn't addressing more important issues. I get upset when I see police sitting there trying to catch speeders or people who don't come to complete stops at redlights and stop signs.
But I brought that up because the actions of the police officer are reflected on the government. The police officer is acting as an agent of the government. To turn this into finance, the outcry is based on a principle - agent conflict. //content.invisioncic.com/y282845/emoticons/wink.gif.608e3ea05f1a9f98611af0861652f8fb.gif

dammit flip, the speeding thing I was going to bring up next, since he mentioned other things are more important.

 

[its_bacon12 10+ year member]

Perhaps the people of Oakland are upset that the police officer wasn't addressing more important issues. I get upset when I see police sitting there trying to catch speeders or people who don't come to complete stops at redlights and stop signs.
But I brought that up because the actions of the police officer are reflected on the government. The police officer is acting as an agent of the government. To turn this into finance, the outcry is based on a principle - agent conflict. //content.invisioncic.com/y282845/emoticons/wink.gif.608e3ea05f1a9f98611af0861652f8fb.gif

Ugh lol please don't turn this into a financial discussion and that mess...

 

[TC2k15x2 10+ year member]

Those of us who defend cops and the good job most do, understand bad apples occur in EVERY job. Go troll elsewhere you anarchist.

Your critisizing yourself, why judge a whole race by a few bad apples?

good job owning yourself.

cops are douches

 

[Flipx99 5,000+ posts]

I agree with the last part, but when your streets are plagued by violence and you choose to riot over one mistake (or intent, unsure yet) by an officer, your values are seriously misplaced.
It's obvious this guy is going to be dealt with in the public eye with a serious degree of scrutiny. Also, I did say I saw the officer get up and pull the gun out. Whether the shot was intentional or not is the issue at hand, which you refuse to acknowledge.

Do you think the riots are symbolic of the adverserial and combatitive relationship between the police and the public? Perhaps the riots are used as a mechanism to shed light on what they feel is a problem in their community. Because they are poor, they have limited ways to create change in the community but if they can get enough negative press perhaps they can shame the local government into changing the way the local police does business.

 

[Flipx99 5,000+ posts]

Ugh lol please don't turn this into a financial discussion and that mess...

lol....I stopped. But it is an economic problem. I addressed it more common terms in another post.

 

[its_bacon12 10+ year member]

dammit flip, the speeding thing I was going to bring up next, since he mentioned other things are more important.

There are many aspects to breaking the law, speeding is one. This isn't a pick and choose issues of cops that I brought up, it's of the people. Again, failed to comprehend (or objectively read) my statement.

 

[Chevillac 5,000+ posts]

I agree with the last part, but when your streets are plagued by violence and you choose to riot over one mistake (or intent, unsure yet) by an officer, your values are seriously misplaced.
It's obvious this guy is going to be dealt with in the public eye with a serious degree of scrutiny. Also, I did say I saw the officer get up and pull the gun out. Whether the shot was intentional or not is the issue at hand, which you refuse to acknowledge.

Because, you dont pull a gun out in that situation like that. What would the other purpose be to pull it out, instead of handcuffing him? He had 2 cops on him and there were at least 2 others in the immediate area. What could he have done while lying on the ground.

Ok, youre right a riot ensued, however it wasnt meant to be that way, that was opportunists coming out later after the protests. We can judge who's values are misplaced, but like I said, people pick and choose their battles.

 

[its_bacon12 10+ year member]

Do you think the riots are symbolic of the adverserial and combatitive relationship between the police and the public? Perhaps the riots are used as a mechanism to shed light on what they feel is a problem in their community. Because they are poor, they have limited ways to create change in the community but if they can get enough negative press perhaps they can shame the local government into changing the way the local police does business.

You make much more valid points and well constructed argument than the other guy, and I agree with this that it's possible.

But I highly doubt their protests/riots are that well thought out.

 

[Flipx99 5,000+ posts]

There are many aspects to breaking the law, speeding is one. This isn't a pick and choose issues of cops that I brought up, it's of the people. Again, failed to comprehend (or objectively read) my statement.

But people riot against that was well. The people of Warren, MI stood up against the local police because they where writing too many tickets. Another city somewhere else was dissolved because of the actions of the police. Is it possible the people could use their time on "more important" issues. I don't believe you or I, people thousands of miles a way, can accurately judge what should and should not be at the top of THEIR priority list. If I lived in CA, my number one priority would be to GTFO.

 

[DDeitz 10+ year member]

Your critisizing yourself, why judge a whole race by a few bad apples?
good job owning yourself.

cops are douches

yeah...i bet you'll have a different tone when you actually have to call 911. Meh most people who hate cops are doing something they would get in shit if they got caught for anyway..meh..

 

[Flipx99 5,000+ posts]

You make much more valid points and well constructed argument than the other guy, and I agree with this that it's possible.
But I highly doubt their protests/riots are that well thought out.

The Whiskey Rebellion wasn't very well thought out either, but it changed the course of this country forever.

yeah...i bet you'll have a different tone when you actually have to call 911.

Yes. It will be like this

1) I hope they actually answer

2) I wonder when they will come

3) I wonder if they will come

 

[its_bacon12 10+ year member]

Because, you dont pull a gun out in that situation like that. What would the other purpose be to pull it out, instead of handcuffing him? He had 2 cops on him and there were at least 2 others in the immediate area. What could he have done while lying on the ground.
Ok, youre right a riot ensued, however it wasnt meant to be that way, that was opportunists coming out later after the protests. We can judge who's values are misplaced, but like I said, people pick and choose their battles.

People do pick and choose their battles, yes I agree. Values, that's up for debate but seeing how it is Oakland and California, there's little to debate about.

As far as the gun, I've had a gun pulled on me for speeding once when I got pulled over. Obviously I know I'm not a threat whatsoever to him but he doesn't know that. This again regresses into whether or not the cop felt threatened or his judgment on the situation. As of now though it's purely speculation as to what exactly happened short of a full on confession and truthful depositions from the other officers.