The State of the Union Address

[ahole-ic]

Your logic fails sir.
You don't understand what I'm saying. Equal pay is NOT mcD's workers and a fireman getting paid the same price. Equal pay is no one should get paid a lesser wage if the experience and education is the same and etc. This is the point I tried to make earlier. I say 'guidelines' and people go, omg, communism! It's a difference, a huge difference.

Regulation of how any business pays its employees may not be communism, but it certainly is only an idea someone who has no successful business experience would have. It wasn't MY logic that failed. If a business can hire a person for cheaper than someone they already have doing the exact same job, then they should be able to. That person accepted the wage they were offered and the business may not have been able to afford another employee had they not taken the position at that wage.

 

[audioholic 5,000+ posts]

I actually posted the actual definition in an earlier post and this was not my definition of communism. I said if this were in practice it would be communism... and it would. Sorry that wasn't clear.

Understood.

Your logic fails sir.
You don't understand what I'm saying. Equal pay is NOT mcD's workers and a fireman getting paid the same price. Equal pay is no one should get paid a lesser wage if the experience and education is the same and etc. This is the point I tried to make earlier. I say 'guidelines' and people go, omg, communism! It's a difference, a huge difference.

I think we are getting mired in a simple misunderstanding here.

 

[Enellz 10+ year member]

For a person who's studying to get his MBA I know buisness and know it well. Yes I know it's simply a contract when offered a wage and it's up to the two parties to decide that. Even though companies rack millions of profits doing this process it's a little thing called morals and public image a company should with hold. Rumors in the business can cause a high turnover rate, and even worse low morale workplace. Companies should follow standards. don't **** a man trying to get a job to a lower wage than the next person getting interviewed with him. This is widely known as a high reward but bad practices.

 

[audioholic 5,000+ posts]

Regulation of how any business pays its employees may not be communism, but it certainly is only an idea someone who has no successful business experience would have. It wasn't MY logic that failed. If a business can hire a person for cheaper than someone they already have doing the exact same job, then they should be able to. That person accepted the wage they were offered and the business may not have been able to afford another employee had they not taken the position at that wage.

Any shift towards the left can be viewed as communism or socialism. Its a tactic politicians on both sides of the isle utilize in order to scare the population into conformity. For example, any shift towards govt control of any situation can be called a shift towards communism, making people think of Soviet Russia or even Nazi's. Technically, the police force could be called a form of socialism, but I think we all agree a police agency is necessary.. Again, extremism dictating our thought process. Lets not follow our political leaders in this tactic.

 

[Enellz 10+ year member]

All I'm saying is that the government should keep a watchful eye on businesses to make sure their doing the right practices and fairness towards it's workers. By merger, I mean buying up every company to create a monopoly. Competetion creates jobs, and competive wages. Another would be higher education should be cheaper and nearly similiar rates across the D1 board. It's minor tweaks Im talking about, not a goverment takeover

 

[ahole-ic]

Studying to get your MBA is a lot different than having business experience. I will guarantee that once you get out there and start calling some shots you'll realize what is ethical and what isn't. Right now your primary concern seems to be the worker's morale. How high will his morale be when the company goes under because they weren't solvent? Take GM for instance. They gave unions contracts that allowed people to draw checks for not working. They paid retired people the same pay as if they were working etc and had the government not bailed GM out, they would have already went under. They still will, it's just in the future a little ways off. The primary responsibility of upper management is to turn a profit for the shareholders. If they cannot manage to do that, they cannot treat the workers "ethically" because they will be out of business unless obama steps in.

 

[audioholic 5,000+ posts]

In all fairness, GM only paid people 95% of their normal wages, to not work. lol? Big business is as corrupt as our govt. The sooner we realize this, on both fronts, the better off we will be. The problem is, too many people are looking at what to get out if for themselves, rather than realizing they are all vying for the title of 'captain' on a sinking ship.

 

[ahole-ic]

In all fairness, GM only paid people 95% of their normal wages, to not work. lol? Big business is as corrupt as our govt. The sooner we realize this, on both fronts, the better off we will be. The problem is, too many people are looking at what to get out if for themselves, rather than realizing they are all vying for the title of 'captain' on a sinking ship.

I'm not saying big business is not corrupt, but if you don't like it then don't be a part of that business. It's their business to run and if they want to be corrupt let them be corrupt and catch them when they break the law. Don't regulate them out of business and cost thousands of people their jobs and ruin the economy just because you are experiencing class envy. That's all I'm saying. We won't fix the corruption while we stand around and complain, attack the companies etc. The only way to beat them is to start your own company and not be corrupt. Utilize your own skill and industry and beat them and run them out of business.

 

[Enellz 10+ year member]

Studying to get your MBA is a lot different than having business experience. I will guarantee that once you get out there and start calling some shots you'll realize what is ethical and what isn't. Right now your primary concern seems to be the worker's morale. How high will his morale be when the company goes under because they weren't solvent? Take GM for instance. They gave unions contracts that allowed people to draw checks for not working. They paid retired people the same pay as if they were working etc and had the government not bailed GM out, they would have already went under. They still will, it's just in the future a little ways off. The primary responsibility of upper management is to turn a profit for the shareholders. If they cannot manage to do that, they cannot treat the workers "ethically" because they will be out of business unless obama steps in.

We all know GM kinda put themselves in a bad positions with their products to begin with. Their sales have been lacking for years, it was just a reuse and repeat cycle with their business plan. They accreditted the rising fuel cost as a fad, so their business model was wrong to begin with. They dug that hole themselves first, then added fuel to the fire with their workers wages and their unions. In business their is always a problem and a chain of events that follows afterwards. Thier problem were their car sales and ignorance on gas milage. They didnt address the problem and so the deck of cars fell into place.

 

[audioholic 5,000+ posts]

I'm not saying big business is not corrupt, but if you don't like it then don't be a part of that business. It's their business to run and if they want to be corrupt let them be corrupt and catch them when they break the law. Don't regulate them out of business and cost thousands of people their jobs and ruin the economy just because you are experiencing class envy. That's all I'm saying. We won't fix the corruption while we stand around and complain, attack the companies etc. The only way to beat them is to start your own company and not be corrupt. Utilize your own skill and industry and beat them and run them out of business.

GM paying employees 95% of their wages not to work was not against the law (until recently, and the practice has since ended). My point was, big business is not in the business of being 'moral' or 'ethical', they are in the business of making profit, even if it means following practices that otherwise would be considered unethical, but technically obey the laws of the land. Big business and our govt are in bed together, and that's a recipe for disaster. Simply saying start my own GM, play by a different set of rules that would put me at a disadvantage but allow me to sleep at night, and beat their profit margin, is not being realistic, for many reasons. Its an idealistic capitalistic view of the situation, and how to fix it. Changing the rules, by getting rid of the rule makers, is the only realistic solution. Again our politicians have shown no propensity to do it themselves. And the national media shows no propensity to confront these problems.

 

[jmanpc 5,000+ posts]

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[Enellz 10+ year member]

GM paying employees 95% of their wages not to work was not against the law (until recently, and the practice has since ended). My point was, big business is not in the business of being 'moral' or 'ethical', they are in the business of making profit, even if it means following practices that otherwise would be considered unethical, but technically obey the laws of the land. Big business and our govt are in bed together, and that's a recipe for disaster. Simply saying start my on GM, play by a different set of rules that would put me at a disadvantage but allow me to sleep at night, and beat their profit margin, is not being realistic. Changing the rules, by getting rid of the rule makers, is the only realistic solution. Again our politicians have shown no propensity to do it themselves. And the national media shows no propensity to confront these problems.

This is what I agree on 100%. Big businesses and even small are trying to get ahead and they will do by any means. Reducing wages for the same work, kill off their current employees and hire new ones at less pay, jack up prices, and etc. This is my main reason for rules being sit in place and made law on what they can and cannot do. Yes we all want to make money, but shortcuts kill off companies...examples:

Circuit City

Kmart having to Merge

GM

Chrysler

As far as making these rules and guidelines into law, it just wont happen. Politicians depend on donations, and who make the biggest ones? Big corperations, health care companies, famous people, etc. Their all dancing together. Their all heartless and corrupted no matter what side of the line you go with

 

[audioholic 5,000+ posts]

Business being in the business of making profits should not be frowned upon btw, its how our capitalist system works. Its the very basis of it. If a company can fire a single mom and put her and her kids in the welfare system in order to improve profit at the end of the year, they will. That's not evil, unless you think capitalism is evil. The task is not to point fingers at that policy, its to create a environment in which the company is better off keeping that person working. But when big business and politics are in bed together, and the media is in on it too, things grind to a halt while the average Joe pays the price. The bigger problem is, right now the average Joe seems to think he should work hard to get in on that action, instead of working hard to fix the problem. Again, too many people vying for position of captain on a sinking ship.

 

[Enellz 10+ year member]

Business being in the business of making profits should not be frowned upon btw, its how our capitalist system works. Its the very basis of it. If a company can fire a single mom and put her and her kids in the welfare system in order to improve profit at the end of the year, they will. That's not evil, unless you think capitalism is evil. The task is not to point fingers at that policy, its to create a environment in which the company is better off keeping that person working. But when big business and politics are in bed together, and the media is in on it too, things grind to a halt while the average Joe pays the price. The bigger problem is, right now the average Joe seems to think he should work hard to get in on that action, instead of working hard to fix the problem. Again, too many people vying for position of captain on a sinking ship.

Welcome to America my friend

 

[audioholic 5,000+ posts]

Welcome to America my friend

It doesnt have to be this way. A defeatist attitude is the by-product of allowing this political trend to continue for far too long. Value of the dollar, self-sufficient and healthy economy, education... these are things our government should be looking at very hard right now. Instead they are just playing the same old bait and switch game, and the average american laps it up like a hungry dog.