THE OFFICAL 911 was a inside job thread

[snb778 5,000+ posts]

its never happened before...therefor... you're not the only one that doesnt know how... BUT the fuel was burning hot enough to melt steel

 

[chucksheen 10+ year member]

aight....i've covered this crap from every angle.. I was convinced for a while that there was a good chance it was a conspiracy.. but there are just a few things that over-rule it all
A. The familes and supporters of all the people that died would dump the rest of their money, and time left in life to research and hire detectives to figure it out... And yes it could be done...with all the millions of dollars raised to support these families, there would be enough money.

Bob Doyle and the Jersey Girls, with the help of grassroots are doing just that.

B.. THE PENTAGON BEING HIT BY A MISSILE OR SMALL JET THEORY is shut down IMMEDIATELY!!!!! because..... (Carlos Mencia Voice ) DEEET-DDEEDEEEEEEEEE!!! People's family members were on that flight you idiots!!!!! what, do you think their names were just made up, and all the interviews were just staged???

Who knows? Anything is possible.

C. Who do you think planned it....you have allllllllllllllll these theories...but NO leaks to who planned it. If more than 2 people knew about it, it would be leaked...but we all know it would take more than 2 people to plan a conspiracy like this.

There have been leaks. There is speculation on who is responsible but these are deep facts that require a criminal investigation. Project Manhattan, Jet Fighter project, Indonesian War; all hush hush.

D. TO plan something this great would be pointless when look what its done...what.? do you think Osama and all Al-Qeida (sp?) and Iraq was in on this and were just like "hmmmm, yea we're gonna start a war to bring down the US economy, and we'll have them attack us and beat the shi it out of both of us, and destory our cities, to benefit their economy....its sooooo pointless some of these reasons why they would even stage this.

There is a nuke plant very close to Manhattan, they could have killed MANY more people. They could have landed in the middle of the Pentagon. Read a book by a crony by the name of Zbigniew Bzinski called "The Grand Chessboard" on how Al-CIAda was formed out of the Mujahadeen. Read about Operation Cyclone where we recruited for Al-CIAda in the USA.

and yes... i have read almost all those videos on universalseed.org, but those few main points I just made shut em down. IT WASN'T A MISSLE

Read videos? Maybe there wasn't a missle but there certainly was molten metal. There are so many holes in the official conspiracy theory and no hard evidence, that it creates massive speculation. WE NEED A REAL CRIMINAL INVESTIGATION! Phillip Zelikow is just as much of a conflict of interest as HENRY KISSINGER.

P.S. nobody EVER...in the world has witnessed or studied a buildin of that size, being hit by an airplane that big, so nobody can say what could and couldnt happen.. I dont care where in the building there were explosions, or how hot something has to be to melt...maybe there were explosives placed in there by terrorists to take the building down right away instead of burning down like it did

Wrong, the architects engineered the building to withstand MULTIPLE impacts from jumbo jets that had more kinetic energy than what hit the towers.

The phone calls people made to their families on the planes when they were hi-jaked... You fukin tell me that was stage... why dont you idiots write to some of the families of these people and try to tell them it was staged and tell me how long you live

Already have. Many agree that lateral cell towers can't reach into the sky over ~5,000 or so. Airphones require credit cards. Do some REAL homework/research and stop drawing conclusions.

I could go on and on all day but I have other forums to hit up. I can show you the door but you have to walk through and do your own homework. Many hands make light work. You do know about the 8/6/01 PDB warning right? You do actually believe them when they say they "had no idea"? Fine tune your BS detector because it's not much of a jump to realize that they had prior knowledge and allowed it to happen, to they made sure it happend. Everyone agrees that they planned the wars, why is it so hard to realize they planned this too because they needed justification for their exploits? Cognitive dissonance?

 

[mightycrappy 10+ year member]

Watch Zeitgeist. Open your eyes

http://www.zeitgeistmovie.com/

 

[chucksheen 10+ year member]

10 minute tid bit by Jon Gold regarding his view of the importance of starting off with 9/11 PFT (911PressForTruth.com) to avoid cognitive dissonence as much as possible.

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=2519174289620182309

 

[snb778 5,000+ posts]

Bob Doyle and the Jersey Girls, with the help of grassroots are doing just that.
Who knows? Anything is possible.

There have been leaks. There is speculation on who is responsible but these are deep facts that require a criminal investigation. Project Manhattan, Jet Fighter project, Indonesian War; all hush hush.

There is a nuke plant very close to Manhattan, they could have killed MANY more people. They could have landed in the middle of the Pentagon. Read a book by a crony by the name of Zbigniew Bzinski called "The Grand Chessboard" on how Al-CIAda was formed out of the Mujahadeen. Read about Operation Cyclone where we recruited for Al-CIAda in the USA.

Read videos? Maybe there wasn't a missle but there certainly was molten metal. There are so many holes in the official conspiracy theory and no hard evidence, that it creates massive speculation. WE NEED A REAL CRIMINAL INVESTIGATION! Phillip Zelikow is just as much of a conflict of interest as HENRY KISSINGER.

Wrong, the architects engineered the building to withstand MULTIPLE impacts from jumbo jets that had more kinetic energy than what hit the towers.

Already have. Many agree that lateral cell towers can't reach into the sky over ~5,000 or so. Airphones require credit cards. Do some REAL homework/research and stop drawing conclusions.

I could go on and on all day but I have other forums to hit up. I can show you the door but you have to walk through and do your own homework. Many hands make light work. You do know about the 8/6/01 PDB warning right? You do actually believe them when they say they "had no idea"? Fine tune your BS detector because it's not much of a jump to realize that they had prior knowledge and allowed it to happen, to they made sure it happend. Everyone agrees that they planned the wars, why is it so hard to realize they planned this too because they needed justification for their exploits? Cognitive dissonance?

Didnt tell me what happened to all the family members that died in the plane that hit the Pentagon

 

[bds0688 10+ year member]

Can you with any degree of certainty make the claim about the 'experts' on your side of the argument being 100% subjective?

No, but I take opinions from both sides with a grain of salt. And I use my own thinking.

Why would the government conspire to make us look weak, by taking out two icons of our power and economy? I don't understand why anyone would, but what does the government accomplish? People got ragged for not being prepared and not taking the planes down before, yadda yadda. They went to war, but that hurt our economy even more...so where's the gain from a very intricate conspiracy. Nothing.

It would have been leaked by now. You can't tell me some mechanic for a plane, or a janitor for the towers would not have come out and told the world by now. People talk, and no one can get paid off enough to keep something like that a secret.

And I am not one to believe in government agents in black suits being the root of all evil, erasing people from records and shit for a plot THAT HAD NO POSITIVE GAIN WHATSOEVER. Someone would have came out and talked, and then others would follow. Documents would be shown, anything.

And in my opinion, I would engineer a building to fall down with as little collateral damage, for earthquakes and planes crashing.

 

[perfecxionX 10+ year member]

why do you guys even try to argue with these people?

its hopeless!

 

[snb778 5,000+ posts]

yea it really is

edit: nice picture btw

 

[Mr Wiggl3s 10+ year member]

CFR Presidential Candidates

thanks for bumping this thread

 

[chucksheen 10+ year member]

Didnt tell me what happened to all the family members that died in the plane that hit the Pentagon

I'm not your personal fact fetcher. Find out the answers for yourself and when you think you found the answer look deeper. Didn't they ID bodies from the Pentagon and not the flight? Were there any photos of seats or luggage? This question is EXACTLY why we need more answers because with the info that we have currently, it's too hard to understand and not very revealing at this juncture.

Did horizontal ejections cause this?

...and speaking of horizontal ejections a new paper was just published; info here:

http://911blogger.com/node/10426

Close-up

With every ejecting outwards and disintigrating it would be improbable for a piston pressure effect to cause hundreds of feet per second ejections of dust/material to make it from the massive core through an acre open floor space/plan and out focalized points.

Handful of asymetrical collapses and WTC7 was far superior construction because of the nature of the occupants it housed.

 

[chucksheen 10+ year member]

I could do this all day long. There should be a point where you stop making excuses for why it couldn't/shouldn't be an inside job and open your eyes enough to dig deeper by watching all films, reading all papers, looking at all photos, reading all books and sharing ANY info.

That's why people want to share the burden of truth so much these days because they feel like there is so much data/evidence/proof/red flags/questions/smoking guns/cumulative argument/massive coincidences and anomolies that it's like drinking from a firehouse. You might get someone that shares http://ZeitgeistMovie.com or you might get someone that would like you to consider watching http://WKJO.com; we are all unique and different. Just take a look for yourself and the diversity of the people on these 2 sites alone:

http://PatriotsQuestion911.com

http://ae911truth.org

Where is the piledriver/syringe effect if everything is being blasted outward, away from the massive core structure and 1 acre floor plan? This isn't either of the only 2 conclusions that were drawn/mistaken by NIST (appointed by Bush Whitehouse); pancake then inward bowing. UL even doubled their steel tests to twice as hot and long and they still couldn't produce the effects so they fudged their models from 3" bowing to 43" bowing; I kid you not. Go search/lookup John Gross lies about molten metal video and watch his smarmy lies. There is just too much and some of the best material is stuff I can't even post about; like articles published on http://911Blogger.com and http://JournalOf911Studies.com, and NORAD/NEADS/NMCC/Bronner/FAA/Boston/Military contradictions, stand downs, radar lies, phone calls, tape shredding, protocols/procedures and on and on and on. There is just so much. Watch any/all documentaries about Able Danger and witnesses in the neighborhoods where Atta and co. were in Florida around Huffman Aviation and details.

This cut and slag are not from a sedaline torch but more likely the effects of a cutting agent like thermate.

'The Meteor'

 

[chucksheen 10+ year member]

Duty calls, gotta run. Maybe someone else can pickup some slack. Many hands make light work.

 

[chucksheen 10+ year member]

Cars were hit on FDR street with ejections.

Damaged cars on FDR

http://www.journalof911studies.com/volume/200704/GrabbeExplosionsEvidence.pdf

Toasted car page (disclaimer: not all truthers agree on everything, we all agree that there are serious questions though)

http://www.drjudywood.com/articles/DEW/StarWarsBeam5.html#toasted

 

[chucksheen 10+ year member]

Cover all multi-media here:

http://MySpace.com/RoyShiversRap

http://911Synchronicity.com

 

[WhoSayWho? 5,000+ posts]

Hey Chuck -- I hate to burst your bubble but no one is really reading your posts or using a magnifying glass to examine the fVcking pictures you are posting.

Regardless of whether we understand the science behind why the buildings fell the way they did - we know WTF happened. It really is not complicated. A bunch of fvcking ragheads flew some planes into some buildings and killed a bunch of innocent people -- most of whom were Americans.

Now STFU.