THE OFFICAL 911 was a inside job thread

[btmorris972 10+ year member]

no joke, the level of your guys ignorence is perplexing, Its like talking to 5th graders. Im done, you ignore all evidence that doesnt conform to your illogical reasoning.
its like anything that isnt completely layed out and spoon fed to your tiny mouth, is questionable and subject to a conspiracy theory in itself.

BTW from you article: "However, the building was not able to withstand the intense heat of the jet fuel fire. While it was impossible for the fuel-rich, diffuse-flame fire to burn at a temperature high enough to melt the steel, its quick ignition and intense heat caused the steel to lose at least half its strength and to deform, causing buckling or crippling. This weakening and deformation caused a few floors to fall, while the weight of the stories above them crushed the floors below, initiating a domino collapse. "

your done.

Your profile says your 17. You probably didnt even watch 2 min of prof steven jones presentation.

Once again the us goverment cant explain wtc7 collapsing at freefall speed but you can:crazy:

Watch it one more time.

http://www.wtc7.net/videos.html

Now go kill yourself

 

[wilzyx 5,000+ posts]

we're talking about wtc7, a 47 story building that mysteriously fell 7 hours later. check out the link i just posted.

but there is no way in hell the debris from the two main towers made it fall, is that what he is trying to say?

 

[Lil Poot 5,000+ posts]

yes, and thats the official story, but we all know the government doesn't lie...

wtc 5 and 6 were damaged MUCH more extensively and were basically gutted by the fires, but they stood.

and i guess you being 17 does explain the angry name calling responses. i forgive your ignorance, we were all young at one time.

 

[fancynapkin 10+ year member]

wasn't the article i was thinking of. this is.
http://www.physics.byu.edu/research/energy/htm7.html

not that i expect you to read all of that, you obviously dont have the mental capacity to understand it, or the attention span to finish it.

i'm not even saying any of this PROVES 100% that the government blew up those 3 buildings. what im saying is that their official story is impossible, and that it seems to me they would have a reason for telling such blatant lies. you, on the other hand, find any article that seems to support your side of the story, and claim thats the be-all end-all explanation that blows all of these smoking guns right out of the water. i've only been focusing on wtc7. that is a small piece of a very large puzzle, with glaring, unanswered questions at every turn.

IVE ALREADY MADE THIS ARGUMENT

I guess Ill post it AGAIN:

"Steven Earl Jones is a professor of physics at Brigham Young University who conducts research in nuclear fusion and solar energy. " yeah, that really qualifies him . Guess what? My father has his Phd in physics and is a prof. at michigan, does his opinion count?

oh and try this one on for size:

"Some of Jones' collegues disagree with his beliefs regarding the collapse of the towers. The BYU physics department has issued a statement: "The university is aware that Professor Steven Jones's hypotheses and interpretations of evidence regarding the collapse of World Trade Center buildings are being questioned by a number of scholars and practitioners, including many of BYU's own faculty members. Professor Jones's department and college administrators are not convinced that his analyses and hypotheses have been submitted to relevant scientific venues that would ensure rigorous technical peer review." The Fulton College of Engineering and Technology department has also added, "The structural engineering faculty in the Fulton College of Engineering and Technology do not support the hypotheses of Professor Jones." "

YOU ARE DONE.

 

[btmorris972 10+ year member]

no joke, the level of your guys ignorence is perplexing, Its like talking to 5th graders. Im done, you ignore all evidence that doesnt conform to your illogical reasoning.
its like anything that isnt completely layed out and spoon fed to your tiny mouth, is questionable and subject to a conspiracy theory in itself.

BTW from you article: "However, the building was not able to withstand the intense heat of the jet fuel fire. While it was impossible for the fuel-rich, diffuse-flame fire to burn at a temperature high enough to melt the steel, its quick ignition and intense heat caused the steel to lose at least half its strength and to deform, causing buckling or crippling. This weakening and deformation caused a few floors to fall, while the weight of the stories above them crushed the floors below, initiating a domino collapse. "

your done.

You are aware that if the twin towers "pancaked" then theres no way in hell they could have collapsed within one second of freefall speed right??

 

[fancynapkin 10+ year member]

but there is no way in hell the debris from the two main towers made it fall, is that what he is trying to say?

Thats why I said FIRE and debris.

but Im sure controlled explosives took it down right sherlock? Since you guys clearly no more than these guys:

Air Crash Analysis

Cleveland Center regional air traffic control

Bill Crowley special agent, FBI

Ron Dokell president, Demolition Consultants

Richard Gazarik staff writer, Pittsburgh Tribune-Review

Yates Gladwell pilot, VF Corp.

Michael K. Hynes, Ed.D.,

ATP, CFI, A&P/IA president, Hynes Aviation Services; expert, aviation crashes

Ed Jacoby Jr. director,

New York State Emergency Management Office (Ret.); chairman, New York State Disaster Preparedness Commission (Ret.)

Johnstown-Cambria County Airport Authority

Cindi Lash staff writer, Pittsburgh Post-Gazette

Matthew McCormick manager, survival factors division, National Transportation Safety Board (Ret.)

Wallace Miller coroner, Somerset County, PA

Robert Nagan meteorological technician, Climate Services Branch, National Climatic Data Center

Dave Newell director, aviation and travel, VF Corp.

James O’Toole politics editor, Pittsburgh Post-Gazette

Pennsylvania State Police Public Information Office

Jeff Pillets senior writer,

The Record, Hackensack, NJ

Jeff Rienbold director, Flight 93 National Memorial, National Park Service

Dennis Roddy staff writer, Pittsburgh Post-Gazette

Master Sgt. David Somdahl public affairs officer,

119th Wing, North Dakota

Air National Guard

Mark Stahl photographer; eyewitness, United Airlines Flight 93 crash scene

Air Defense

Lt. Col. Skip Aldous (Ret.) squadron commander,

U.S. Air Force

Tech. Sgt. Laura Bosco public affairs officer,

Tyndall Air Force Base

Boston Center regional air traffic control

Laura Brown spokeswoman,

Federal Aviation Administration

Todd Curtis, Ph.D. founder, Airsafe.com; president, Airsafe.com Foundation

Keith Halloway public affairs officer, National Transportation Safety Board

Ted Lopatkiewicz director, public affairs, National Transportation Safety Board

Maj. Douglas Martin public affairs officer,

North American Aerospace Defense Command

Lt. Herbert McConnell public affairs officer,

Andrews AFB

Michael Perini public affairs officer, North American Aerospace Defense Command

John Pike director, GlobalSecurity.org

Hank Price spokesman, Federal

Aviation Administration

Warren Robak RAND Corp.

Bill Shumann spokesman,

Federal Aviation Administration

Louis Walsh public affairs officer, Eglin AFB

Chris Yates aviation security editor, analyst, Jane’s Transport

Aviation

Fred E.C. Culick, Ph.D., S.B., S.M. professor of aeronautics, California Institute of Technology

Robert Everdeen public affairs, Northrop Grumman

Clint Oster professor of public and environmental affairs, Indiana University; aviation safety expert

Capt. Bill Scott (Ret. USAF) Rocky Mountain bureau chief, Aviation Week

Bill Uher News Media Office, NASA Langley Research Center

Col. Ed Walby (Ret. USAF)

director, business development, HALE Systems Enterprise, Unmanned Systems, Northrop Grumman

Image Analysis

William F. Baker member, FEMA Probe Team; partner, Skidmore, Owings, Merrill

W. Gene Corley, Ph.D., P.E., S.E. senior vice president, CTL Group; director,

FEMA Probe Team

Bill Daly senior vice president, Control Risks Group

Steve Douglass image analysis consultant, Aviation Week

Thomas R. Edwards, Ph.D. founder, TREC; video forensics expert.

Ronald Greeley, Ph.D. professor of geology, Arizona State University

Rob Howard freelance photographer; WTC eyewitness

Robert L. Parker, Ph.D. professor of geophysics,

University of California, San Diego

Structural Engineering / Building Collapse

Farid Alfawakhiri, Ph.D. senior engineer, American Institute of Steel Construction

David Biggs, P.E. structural engineer, Ryan-Biggs Associates; member, ASCE team for FEMA report

Robert Clarke structural engineer, Controlled Demolitions Group Ltd.

Glenn Corbett technical editor, Fire Engineering; member, NIST advisory committee

Vincent Dunn deputy fire chief (Ret.), FDNY; author, The Collapse Of Burning Buildings: A Guide To Fireground Safety

John Fisher, Ph.D. professor of civil engineering, Lehigh University; professor emeritus, Center for Advanced Technology; member, FEMA Probe Team

Ken Hays executive vice president, Masonry Arts

Christoph Hoffmann, Ph.D. professor of computer science, Purdue University; project director, September 11 Pentagon Attack Simulations Using LS-Dyna, Purdue University

Allyn E. Kilsheimer, P.E.

CEO, KCE Structural Engineers PC; chief structural engineer, Phoenix project; expert in blast recovery, concrete structures, emergency response

Won-Young Kim, Ph.D. seismologist, Lamont-Doherty Earth Observatory, Columbia University

William Koplitz photo desk manager, FEMA

John Labriola freelance photographer, WTC survivor

Arthur Lerner-Lam, Ph.D. seismologist; director,

Earth Institute, Center for Hazards and Risk Research, Columbia University

James Quintiere, Ph.D. professor of engineering, University of Maryland member, NIST advisory committee

Steve Riskus freelance photographer; eyewitness, Pentagon crash

Van Romero, Ph.D. vice president, New Mexico Institute of Mining and Technology

Christine Shaffer spokesperson, Viracon

Mete Sozen, Ph.D., S.E. Kettelhut Distinguished Professor of Structural Engineering, Purdue University; member, Pentagon Building Performance Report; project conception, September 11 Pentagon Attack Simulations Using LS-Dyna, Purdue University

Shyam Sunder, Sc.D.

acting deputy director, lead investigator, Building and Fire Research Laboratory, National Institute of Standards and Technology

Mary Tobin science writer, media relations, Earth Institute, Columbia University

Forman Williams, Ph.D. professor of engineering, physics, combustion, University of California,

San Diego; member, advisory committee, National Institute of Standards and Technology

 

[wilzyx 5,000+ posts]

yep your right, we are done. some people disagree with one mans opinion so that means hes wrongl

 

[wilzyx 5,000+ posts]

the old ****ing man that owns the world trade centers said they pulled it! it didnt just fall down by itself!

 

[fancynapkin 10+ year member]

You are aware that if the twin towers "pancaked" then theres no way in hell they could have collapsed within one second of freefall speed right??

First of all, He posted that article, sinking his own ship (he apparently doesnt read things before he posts them)

Second of all, 2 structural engineers at MIT know what they're talking about, you do not.

 

[btmorris972 10+ year member]

Thats why I said FIRE and debris.
but Im sure controlled explosives took it down right sherlock? Since you guys clearly no more than these guys:

Air Crash Analysis

Cleveland Center regional air traffic control

Bill Crowley special agent, FBI

Ron Dokell president, Demolition Consultants

Richard Gazarik staff writer, Pittsburgh Tribune-Review

Yates Gladwell pilot, VF Corp.

Michael K. Hynes, Ed.D.,

ATP, CFI, A&P/IA president, Hynes Aviation Services; expert, aviation crashes

Ed Jacoby Jr. director,

New York State Emergency Management Office (Ret.); chairman, New York State Disaster Preparedness Commission (Ret.)

Johnstown-Cambria County Airport Authority

Cindi Lash staff writer, Pittsburgh Post-Gazette

Matthew McCormick manager, survival factors division, National Transportation Safety Board (Ret.)

Wallace Miller coroner, Somerset County, PA

Robert Nagan meteorological technician, Climate Services Branch, National Climatic Data Center

Dave Newell director, aviation and travel, VF Corp.

James O’Toole politics editor, Pittsburgh Post-Gazette

Pennsylvania State Police Public Information Office

Jeff Pillets senior writer,

The Record, Hackensack, NJ

Jeff Rienbold director, Flight 93 National Memorial, National Park Service

Dennis Roddy staff writer, Pittsburgh Post-Gazette

Master Sgt. David Somdahl public affairs officer,

119th Wing, North Dakota

Air National Guard

Mark Stahl photographer; eyewitness, United Airlines Flight 93 crash scene

Air Defense

Lt. Col. Skip Aldous (Ret.) squadron commander,

U.S. Air Force

Tech. Sgt. Laura Bosco public affairs officer,

Tyndall Air Force Base

Boston Center regional air traffic control

Laura Brown spokeswoman,

Federal Aviation Administration

Todd Curtis, Ph.D. founder, Airsafe.com; president, Airsafe.com Foundation

Keith Halloway public affairs officer, National Transportation Safety Board

Ted Lopatkiewicz director, public affairs, National Transportation Safety Board

Maj. Douglas Martin public affairs officer,

North American Aerospace Defense Command

Lt. Herbert McConnell public affairs officer,

Andrews AFB

Michael Perini public affairs officer, North American Aerospace Defense Command

John Pike director, GlobalSecurity.org

Hank Price spokesman, Federal

Aviation Administration

Warren Robak RAND Corp.

Bill Shumann spokesman,

Federal Aviation Administration

Louis Walsh public affairs officer, Eglin AFB

Chris Yates aviation security editor, analyst, Jane’s Transport

Aviation

Fred E.C. Culick, Ph.D., S.B., S.M. professor of aeronautics, California Institute of Technology

Robert Everdeen public affairs, Northrop Grumman

Clint Oster professor of public and environmental affairs, Indiana University; aviation safety expert

Capt. Bill Scott (Ret. USAF) Rocky Mountain bureau chief, Aviation Week

Bill Uher News Media Office, NASA Langley Research Center

Col. Ed Walby (Ret. USAF)

director, business development, HALE Systems Enterprise, Unmanned Systems, Northrop Grumman

Image Analysis

William F. Baker member, FEMA Probe Team; partner, Skidmore, Owings, Merrill

W. Gene Corley, Ph.D., P.E., S.E. senior vice president, CTL Group; director,

FEMA Probe Team

Bill Daly senior vice president, Control Risks Group

Steve Douglass image analysis consultant, Aviation Week

Thomas R. Edwards, Ph.D. founder, TREC; video forensics expert.

Ronald Greeley, Ph.D. professor of geology, Arizona State University

Rob Howard freelance photographer; WTC eyewitness

Robert L. Parker, Ph.D. professor of geophysics,

University of California, San Diego

Structural Engineering / Building Collapse

Farid Alfawakhiri, Ph.D. senior engineer, American Institute of Steel Construction

David Biggs, P.E. structural engineer, Ryan-Biggs Associates; member, ASCE team for FEMA report

Robert Clarke structural engineer, Controlled Demolitions Group Ltd.

Glenn Corbett technical editor, Fire Engineering; member, NIST advisory committee

Vincent Dunn deputy fire chief (Ret.), FDNY; author, The Collapse Of Burning Buildings: A Guide To Fireground Safety

John Fisher, Ph.D. professor of civil engineering, Lehigh University; professor emeritus, Center for Advanced Technology; member, FEMA Probe Team

Ken Hays executive vice president, Masonry Arts

Christoph Hoffmann, Ph.D. professor of computer science, Purdue University; project director, September 11 Pentagon Attack Simulations Using LS-Dyna, Purdue University

Allyn E. Kilsheimer, P.E.

CEO, KCE Structural Engineers PC; chief structural engineer, Phoenix project; expert in blast recovery, concrete structures, emergency response

Won-Young Kim, Ph.D. seismologist, Lamont-Doherty Earth Observatory, Columbia University

William Koplitz photo desk manager, FEMA

John Labriola freelance photographer, WTC survivor

Arthur Lerner-Lam, Ph.D. seismologist; director,

Earth Institute, Center for Hazards and Risk Research, Columbia University

James Quintiere, Ph.D. professor of engineering, University of Maryland member, NIST advisory committee

Steve Riskus freelance photographer; eyewitness, Pentagon crash

Van Romero, Ph.D. vice president, New Mexico Institute of Mining and Technology

Christine Shaffer spokesperson, Viracon

Mete Sozen, Ph.D., S.E. Kettelhut Distinguished Professor of Structural Engineering, Purdue University; member, Pentagon Building Performance Report; project conception, September 11 Pentagon Attack Simulations Using LS-Dyna, Purdue University

Shyam Sunder, Sc.D.

acting deputy director, lead investigator, Building and Fire Research Laboratory, National Institute of Standards and Technology

Mary Tobin science writer, media relations, Earth Institute, Columbia University

Forman Williams, Ph.D. professor of engineering, physics, combustion, University of California,

San Diego; member, advisory committee, National Institute of Standards and Technology

Fire doesent make skyscrapers suddenly fall at freefall speed.

If that was the case why wouldnt demolition teams just set buildings on fire when they need to be brought down in a controlled manner at freefall speed?

BTW I hope that list of people isnt from that bogus PM article

 

[fancynapkin 10+ year member]

yep your right, we are done. some people disagree with one mans opinion so that means hes wrongl

Hes a nuclear physicist for christs sakes!

 

[btmorris972 10+ year member]

Hes a nuclear physicist for christs sakes!

Did you watch his presentation:crazy:

 

[fancynapkin 10+ year member]

Fire doesent make skyscrapers suddenly fall at freefall speed.
If that was the case why wouldnt demolition teams just set buildings on fire when they need to be brought down in a controlled manner at freefall speed?

Hmmm, let me think, maybe becuase throwing some TNT in it is easier than setting a fire? //content.invisioncic.com/y282845/emoticons/rolleyes.gif.c1fef805e9d1464d377451cd5bc18bfb.gif

For **** sakes, you have no logic. just end it.

 

[fancynapkin 10+ year member]

Did you watch his presentation:crazy:

yes, and I almost choked on my cereal from laughing so hard. Youd probally use a biologists argument before admitting defeat.

 

[wilzyx 5,000+ posts]

Hmmm, let me think, maybe becuase throwing some TNT in it is easier than setting a fire? //content.invisioncic.com/y282845/emoticons/rolleyes.gif.c1fef805e9d1464d377451cd5bc18bfb.gif
For **** sakes, you have no logic. just end it.

actually its not, and its a hell of a lot more expensive. are you tellin me i could start my own demolition business with a matchbox and some kleenex?