The call for Bush impeachment just got bigger....

[Slammed 5,000+ posts]

4runner....wow!

 

[HiAmplidude 10+ year member]

If you want my opinion, I say, USA... stop being such ham wallets and get the sheit awn!!! Yea... let the front page papers roll... just get it done...

I don't care so much about establishing a "democracy" in a state that will never recognize it. Why are our people (think early 20's) getting pegged off, one by one, by others who have nothing to do with military or democracy, who will ultimately win the "war", justl like in Viet-Nam?

 

[bikejunkie223 10+ year member]

What I don't understand is, say they are successful and boot dubya out of office, then Cheney is the MAN. Do any of them want to see what happens then? I am not a dubya fan, and I am not a fan of the war, but this country relies on oil, and as long as that is the case we have to deal with the politics of the countries that have the oil- the middle east. Currently the politics over there mean guns because you can't negotiate with people who are willing to blow themselves and anyone else up or kidnap people and saw their heads off on the internet. Did we need to invade Iraq? Probably not, and the lack of WMD's further's that sentiment, but for everyone to say Bush is a criminal is rediculous. I think he made a horrible decision (to invade) based on the info he was told- info that now has shown not to be accurate. Unfortunately, we can't just pack up and leave- that would leave Iraq as an anarchist state with thugs and goons worse than Sadaam to fight it out for control, and nobody is served by that, not the people in the region anyway, but I guess our troops wouldn't be getting killed. I don't think running away is the answer- if we do, all who have died and been wounded did so for nothing and that, people, would be the true tragedy.

I just think the Dems want to impeach Bush because they want payback for the rediculous impeachment of Bubba a few years back. You know what Democrats? here is a concept- put a candidate out there worth voting for and you may win the next one! John Kerry was a wishy-washy political tool who would say anything to get a vote- that is why he lost- at least with Dubya you knew what you were getting, Kerry was a big question mark, I couldn't figure out where he stood on anything besides the war, and stating the obvious (wrong war,blah blah) was stupid. Of course it is a bad war! is there a good war? The troops are already there, what would he have them do, fvcking leave? All this nonsense is rediculous- I honestly hope gas hits $5 a gallon so possibly Americans will wake up and take fuel economy seriously and we can maybey make some progress towards losing our oil dependence. BTW, how many gallons of ethanol do you get from an acre of corn? Do you honestly think there is enough farmland to supply the millions of cars on the road with ethanol? The fuel cell is the next big step, but currently it takes a ton of energy to make the hydrogen and there is no infastructure to deliver it to the people.

 

[4runnercrazy 10+ year member]

im retiring from this thread

no matter what i say you will never see it my way and no matter what you say ill never see it your way and im tired of reading

later guys //content.invisioncic.com/y282845/emoticons/smile.gif.1ebc41e1811405b213edfc4622c41e27.gif

 

[DJGTSR 10+ year member]

What I don't understand is, say they are successful and boot dubya out of office, then Cheney is the MAN. Do any of them want to see what happens then? I am not a dubya fan, and I am not a fan of the war, but this country relies on oil, and as long as that is the case we have to deal with the politics of the countries that have the oil- the middle east. Currently the politics over there mean guns because you can't negotiate with people who are willing to blow themselves and anyone else up or kidnap people and saw their heads off on the internet. Did we need to invade Iraq? Probably not, and the lack of WMD's further's that sentiment, but for everyone to say Bush is a criminal is rediculous. I think he made a horrible decision (to invade) based on the info he was told- info that now has shown not to be accurate. Unfortunately, we can't just pack up and leave- that would leave Iraq as an anarchist state with thugs and goons worse than Sadaam to fight it out for control, and nobody is served by that, not the people in the region anyway, but I guess our troops wouldn't be getting killed. I don't think running away is the answer- if we do, all who have died and been wounded did so for nothing and that, people, would be the true tragedy.



I just think the Dems want to impeach Bush because they want payback for the rediculous impeachment of Bubba a few years back. You know what Democrats? here is a concept- put a candidate out there worth voting for and you may win the next one! John Kerry was a wishy-washy political tool who would say anything to get a vote- that is why he lost- at least with Dubya you knew what you were getting, Kerry was a big question mark, I couldn't figure out where he stood on anything besides the war, and stating the obvious (wrong war,blah blah) was stupid. Of course it is a bad war! is there a good war? The troops are already there, what would he have them do, fvcking leave? All this nonsense is rediculous- I honestly hope gas hits $5 a gallon so possibly Americans will wake up and take fuel economy seriously and we can maybey make some progress towards losing our oil dependence. BTW, how many gallons of ethanol do you get from an acre of corn? Do you honestly think there is enough farmland to supply the millions of cars on the road with ethanol? The fuel cell is the next big step, but currently it takes a ton of energy to make the hydrogen and there is no infastructure to deliver it to the people.

I think we can all agree Bush and his administration are unfit for Presidency.

 

[HiAmplidude 10+ year member]

If you want my opinion, I say, USA... stop being such ham wallets and get the sheit awn!!! Yea... let the front page papers roll... just get it done...
I don't care so much about establishing a "democracy" in a state that will never recognize it. Why are our people (think early 20's) getting pegged off, one by one, by others who have nothing to do with military or democracy, who will ultimately win the "war", justl like in Viet-Nam?

For clarification, what I'm talking about here ^ is the war, not booting Bush. Booting Bush will have little to no effect on our country's current degraded state. It will take a very long time to recover from the last half-decade or so.

As for the war, yup, as stupid as it was to go, our people are there now. I say, instead of trying to be as civil as possible to look like Mother Theresa, to the media, let's get ugly and get it done! There will be far greater (USA-caused) collateral damage than there is now, but in the end it will benefit everyone. Yes -- I'm saying knowingly cause the unfortunate deaths of innocent civilians to save the lives of many more.

Iraqi civilians have lost something like 40,000 because of American pussism. So, say we sweep the country in a mad drive to finally crush the insurgency and we "accidentally" kill 15,000 civilians in the crossfire with our own weapons -- but, the war is over in months instead of years that would've killed another 40k civilians otherwise.

Hmmm... 15,000 more? 40,000 more? Let's go with 15,000, even though human rights activists are so retarded they won't be able to understand that 15,000 deaths at the hand of US forces is still better than 40,000 that we allowed to happen at the hands of their own psycho desert people.

 

[AcidicDreams 10+ year member]

I think we can all agree Bush and his administration are unfit for Presidency.

no... in fact several people have been disagreeing with you all along....

as for me??? they are unfit because the let congress spend like the tax money is THEIR money.... but what else is new... clinton, bush 1, regean, carter etc etc all aloowed the same thing...

I say we force our own federal taxes down to 5% for everyone, tell the government all they can do is a handful of tasks (military, somekind of FBI, some blanket standards setting branch) and let the states take care of the social programs.... that way places like NH can put along with 0 income taxes and no social programs... or you could stay/move to california and pay 50% taxes to support all the poor people.... I just really wish the fed government would get out of income redistrobution.......

that's kind of off topic though

 

[AcidicDreams 10+ year member]

For clarification, what I'm talking about here ^ is the war, not booting Bush. Booting Bush will have little to no effect on our country's current degraded state. It will take a very long time to recover from the last half-decade or so.
As for the war, yup, as stupid as it was to go, our people are there now. I say, instead of trying to be as civil as possible to look like Mother Theresa, to the media, let's get ugly and get it done! There will be far greater (USA-caused) collateral damage than there is now, but in the end it will benefit everyone. Yes -- I'm saying knowingly cause the unfortunate deaths of innocent civilians to save the lives of many more.

Iraqi civilians have lost something like 40,000 because of American pussism. So, say we sweep the country in a mad drive to finally crush the insurgency and we "accidentally" kill 15,000 civilians in the crossfire with our own weapons -- but, the war is over in months instead of years that would've killed another 40k civilians otherwise.

Hmmm... 15,000 more? 40,000 more? Let's go with 15,000, even though human rights activists are so retarded they won't be able to understand that 15,000 deaths at the hand of US forces is still better than 40,000 that we allowed to happen at the hands of their own psycho desert people.

yup... it's like vietnam never happened and no one learned anything... of course this is no vietnam... we've already toppled the government and we are losing far fewer people than we did even in vietnam.... but everyone should have learned the general populous has turned ***** since WWII and our population can only handle a couple years of war before they start wimpering and blubbering....

 

[DJGTSR 10+ year member]

yup... it's like vietnam never happened and no one learned anything... of course this is no vietnam... we've already toppled the government and we are losing far fewer people than we did even in vietnam.... but everyone should have learned the general populous has turned ***** since WWII and our population can only handle a couple years of war before they start wimpering and blubbering....

You guys should never have went to vietnam either //content.invisioncic.com/y282845/emoticons/wink.gif.608e3ea05f1a9f98611af0861652f8fb.gif but you needed the valuable rubber //content.invisioncic.com/y282845/emoticons/smile.gif.1ebc41e1811405b213edfc4622c41e27.gif

 

[bikejunkie223 10+ year member]

I am disgusted by what ******* Americans by and large have turned into. Everyone is so sensitive now that if you are a celebrity and you say something remotely off-color it is a huge story- really who gives a crap? I guess celebrity gossip keeps the sheep's minds off the prowling wolves of the world. Am I the only one that thinks sometimes America is too free? I agree with the post above that says we should have learned from the cluster-fvck that was vietnam and use out massive military might to crush these pricks quickly even if it does cause civilian casualties, because what we are doing now is putting troops trained to kill the enemy into a situation where they drive around waiting to get blown up by some goddam IED or get thier *** shot off in some alley. The current strategy is confusing- they really have no mission other than to be there and have thier buddies get horrifically injured or killed day by day. I had deeply hoped we had learned from Vietnam that the military makes a very poor police force when they don't even speak the **** language and basically the whole country agrees with just 2 things- they hate Isreal, and they hate America.

 

[jujumantb 10+ year member]

as for me??? they are unfit because the let congress spend like the tax money is THEIR money.... but what else is new... clinton, bush 1, regean, carter etc etc all aloowed the same thing...

uhh clinton balanced the budget....

 

[HiAmplidude 10+ year member]

uhh clinton balanced the budget....

I read an interesting statistic years ago that said something like (and I may get this a little wrong, but the point is there)... "Clinton (his leadership and adminstration) did more for America in his first 6 months in office than the previous 6 presidents did... combined"!

Honestly, I don't give a crap that he was pullin' night-shifts with an intern. He shouldn't have lied on national TV though. Buuuut... just about any other man naturally would do the same knee-jerk first reaction (to gettin' kinda' busted). Ah, so he's human ---- weird.

 

[Ignatowski 5,000+ posts]

He didnt get my vote......

W= Y?

 

[AcidicDreams 10+ year member]

uhh clinton balanced the budget....

actually he didn't... you've been lied to and bought it hook line and sinker...

Besides a PRESIDENT DOESN'T BALANCE BUDGETS!!! CONGRESS DOES! and the fact that clinton was sitting atop a massive economic boom (which collapsed in 2001) isn't his doing... in any case the situation was handled properly in terms of macroeconomics (lower taxes, more federal spending). In any case presidents take way too much credit for an economy they don't control...

 

[AcidicDreams 10+ year member]

I read an interesting statistic years ago that said something like (and I may get this a little wrong, but the point is there)... "Clinton (his leadership and adminstration) did more for America in his first 6 months in office than the previous 6 presidents did... combined"!

that's not a statistic.. that's a quote... and I could say the same for daffy duck and have someone quote it if you'd like... I think I'll have them call it a "statistic" as well