The call for Bush impeachment just got bigger....

ok I got bored 1/2 way through... the problem being is I'm no opponent of an American Empire..... does the video change gears somewhere or does it stop beating the dead horse and start sodomizing it?

 
ok I got bored 1/2 way through... the problem being is I'm no opponent of an American Empire..... does the video change gears somewhere or does it stop beating the dead horse and start sodomizing it?
like i said, watch it through to the end. I think you should focus on how Bush has manipulated 9/11 and also focus on the bit about Neo Conservatism. That wolfowitz guy, Cheney, and Rumsfield are a bunch of lunatics with the way they think.

So you support an American Empire? You think it is ok for the USA to do whatever it wants around the world? What gives them the right to do such? And what gives you the right to act against the UN?

If you honestly believe that America has the right to disobey the UN and attack any country at will, then dont be surprised when terrorists or countries really start attacking you. I can assure you that your government set the bar pretty high for terrorist attacks. Any further attack will be much worse than Sept 11 (or else why would they waste their time?). You can thank your govt for that one //content.invisioncic.com/y282845/emoticons/smile.gif.1ebc41e1811405b213edfc4622c41e27.gif

J

 
I choose not to download and listen to an hour of certified bullshit. Let me get this straight...you believe that our own government, flew planes full of people into the WTC and then blew the place up as an excuse to start a war halfway across the world that the public largely disagrees with? To what end? Who would this serve? I guess the guys that build bombs and pack bullets will be busy. To act like this is some x-files conspiracy is the stupidest thing I have heard in a long time. You probably think they are doing all of this at the behest of the lizard-like alien overlords that have a secret flying saucer landing pad at Area 51 where the practice mind-control techniques on the 300 people that were supposed to be on the flights that crashed but were secretly routed to new mexico for the Lizard overlords. There, that sounds plausible- prove I am wrong! Is it so hard to wrap your mind around the truth that there are countries in the world, the middle east in paticular, that hate us and our way of life and will do anything to disrupt it, and the more public,gory and deadly the attack the better? Is it so difficult to believe a massive series of errors by multiple agencies (with a history of not talking to each other)allowed this plan to come to fruition? These are the same assholes that wear a bomb vest on a bus and kill people, and kidnap people to lop thier heads off with machetes on the internet. So, okay I guess the government is behind all of this because those arabs in the middle east are so nice, and have just been stereotyped as shitheads? Thier actions have shown them to be religous fanatics capable of anything to reach thier twisted goal. This is not an indictment of all people from the middle east, or even Muslims, but to say the government did this is utterly rediculous, and I don't need a stupid propoganda film to show me that. History has shown muslim extremists to be violent and not afraid to die in exceptionally evil ways to reach thier goals and it just makes too much sense. Besides, as many leaks as thier are in government to the press- do you really believe they could keep all of this quiet? Or have the overlords brainwashed us all through the tv broadcasts.....that does it, I'm lining my hat with tinfoil.

 
So you support an American Empire? You think it is ok for the USA to do whatever it wants around the world? What gives them the right to do such? And what gives you the right to act against the UN?
Yes I do, as for the right? umm you don't need the right too, just the force too.. it happens every day across the world... we are the nicest about it to boot. Also FVCK the UN... if Bush said "today I am going to bomb the UN right after my buddy John Bolton gets out of there" I'd throw a party... what a worthless organization...

If you honestly believe that America has the right to disobey the UN and attack any country at will, then dont be surprised when terrorists or countries really start attacking you. I can assure you that your government set the bar pretty high for terrorist attacks. Any further attack will be much worse than Sept 11 (or else why would they waste their time?). You can thank your govt for that one //content.invisioncic.com/y282845/emoticons/smile.gif.1ebc41e1811405b213edfc4622c41e27.gif

J
Umm it didn't take us invading a country to start terrorism... hell we didn't even get into the act (of sending troops there) until the 70's, or maybe it was the 80's. In any case it goes back to Europe roving around and carving up land, they MADE Iraq..... in any case I'd rather see the USA run around the globe setting up friendly democracies than islamists doing the same but with muslim governments...

 
I'm 24... I don't think the age automatically rolls over on your birthday... in any case I understand wife+kids changes everything and generally most people move more conservative when this happens, hence my comments... I personally am registered independent at the cost of my primary voting ability (in oregon you can't vote in primaries as an indy) and I'm not republican pundit but I'm all over the place on polotics so it's hard to nail me down where I stand on politics...
ohh and I tend to ramble and make statements in writing skipping parts of what I'm thinking so some of them may seem like they are lacking points or just completely lost in the sauce... but in any case...

I'm not bashing (truly).

In fact, I'm quite impressed!

When I was in my 20's, I wanted nothing to do with politics. It was an annoyance on the news, to me. I wanted my Bass guitar, pool table, cars, beer, babes, and buddies. Now's different story.

I don't consider myself Democrat, Liberal, Republican, Conservative, Hippy, goof ball... I'm like many smart Americans... I just want shit taken care of by the most qualified org'. There is no "one party is the best for everything". In fact, I think politics, in itself, has become so corrupt and dilluted by outside influenced and propaganda that it does no justice to the country at all.

Get someone in there who wants to, not only, hang his *** on the line for the sake of a cause, but to publically risk his own life to stand for a cause that will actually benefit Americans and not just buisiness investors.

Think teachers - passionate about building our people from the foundation/up, they get crap pay. Cops do just a little better on pay, so you get the dung of the populous who don't want to actually solve crimes and bust bored kids to meet their quota.

Can't solve it all.

 
I choose not to download and listen to an hour of certified bullshit. Let me get this straight...you believe that our own government, flew planes full of people into the WTC and then blew the place up as an excuse to start a war halfway across the world that the public largely disagrees with? To what end? Who would this serve? I guess the guys that build bombs and pack bullets will be busy. To act like this is some x-files conspiracy is the stupidest thing I have heard in a long time. You probably think they are doing all of this at the behest of the lizard-like alien overlords that have a secret flying saucer landing pad at Area 51 where the practice mind-control techniques on the 300 people that were supposed to be on the flights that crashed but were secretly routed to new mexico for the Lizard overlords. There, that sounds plausible- prove I am wrong! Is it so hard to wrap your mind around the truth that there are countries in the world, the middle east in paticular, that hate us and our way of life and will do anything to disrupt it, and the more public,gory and deadly the attack the better? Is it so difficult to believe a massive series of errors by multiple agencies (with a history of not talking to each other)allowed this plan to come to fruition? These are the same assholes that wear a bomb vest on a bus and kill people, and kidnap people to lop thier heads off with machetes on the internet. So, okay I guess the government is behind all of this because those arabs in the middle east are so nice, and have just been stereotyped as shitheads? Thier actions have shown them to be religous fanatics capable of anything to reach thier twisted goal. This is not an indictment of all people from the middle east, or even Muslims, but to say the government did this is utterly rediculous, and I don't need a stupid propoganda film to show me that. History has shown muslim extremists to be violent and not afraid to die in exceptionally evil ways to reach thier goals and it just makes too much sense. Besides, as many leaks as thier are in government to the press- do you really believe they could keep all of this quiet? Or have the overlords brainwashed us all through the tv broadcasts.....that does it, I'm lining my hat with tinfoil.
I think the scientologists already have a patent on lizard overlords...

 
I'm not bashing (truly).
In fact, I'm quite impressed!

When I was in my 20's, I wanted nothing to do with politics. It was an annoyance on the news, to me. I wanted my Bass guitar, pool table, cars, beer, babes, and buddies. Now's different story.

I don't consider myself Democrat, Liberal, Republican, Conservative, Hippy, goof ball... I'm like many smart Americans... I just want shit taken care of by the most qualified org'. There is no "one party is the best for everything". In fact, I think politics, in itself, has become so corrupt and dilluted by outside influenced and propaganda that it does no justice to the country at all.

Get someone in there who wants to, not only, hang his *** on the line for the sake of a cause, but to publically risk his own life to stand for a cause that will actually benefit Americans and not just buisiness investors.

Think teachers - passionate about building our people from the foundation/up, they get crap pay. Cops do just a little better on pay, so you get the dung of the populous who don't want to actually solve crimes and bust bored kids to meet their quota.

Can't solve it all.
I agree... the only reason I vote republican (since I only have two real choices) is because my blood pressure is measurably lower than when the dems are in power... someone really needs to get the republicans to live up to their reputation of being fiscally responsible... better yet they should enact a law robbing themselves of monetary policy and put it in the hands of professinal economists who would in turn give congress a set limit to spend how they please....

I don't consider myself Democrat, Liberal, Republican, Conservative, Hippy, goof ball... I'm like many smart Americans... I just want shit taken care of by the most qualified org'. There is no "one party is the best for everything". In fact, I think politics, in itself, has become so corrupt and dilluted by outside influenced and propaganda that it does no justice to the country at all.
I agree.

Get someone in there who wants to, not only, hang his *** on the line for the sake of a cause, but to publically risk his own life to stand for a cause that will actually benefit Americans and not just buisiness investors.
I would be up for the job if I could secure financial independence at a young age and had the support of my future family... My only problem would convincing an american public to vote for an independent with more than a few skeletons in the closet...

"Vote for Blake, the former drug dealing, and multiple unprosecuted felon (never caught thank god), to fix all your problems!"

not to mention I'm a pathological truth teller... I can only lie if it's a lie of ommision... I used to lie to my parents in a totally undetectable way but if someone asks me up front I will tell the truth even if I don't want to, it's uncontrollable... it gives me a good rep as a seller of used stuff here though //content.invisioncic.com/y282845/emoticons/smile.gif.1ebc41e1811405b213edfc4622c41e27.gif

 
I choose not to download and listen to an hour of certified bullshit.
Well, I guess I have implied in my previous post that you would be an ignorant fool.

Let me get this straight...you believe that our own government, flew planes full of people into the WTC and then blew the place up as an excuse to start a war halfway across the world that the public largely disagrees with? To what end?
Absolutely, I have been saying this all along. Also, a LOT of other people amongst many experts in fields such as physics, engineering, and psychology have been saying the same thing. If you watch the video you will get a glimpse as to thewhy aspect, but as you have shown in this post, I think you are too ignorant and lazy to watch it. Do I care? not really, you are the one who is losing out. However if you do choose to watch it, you will only get a glimpse of the why. This issue goes very very deep but it is fundamentally based in the wacky ideology of Neo Cons.

Who would this serve? I guess the guys that build bombs and pack bullets will be busy. To act like this is some x-files conspiracy is the stupidest thing I have heard in a long time.
It will directly serve in the finacial interests of a very select group of individuals. Believe it or not, certain Americans profited off the Vietnam war, which JFK was highly against. Certain individuals have also profited off of the Iraq war, some of them include Cheney and Bush, but are not limited to those two people.

It will also fufil an ideology, a game plan if you will (and a perverse one at that), of how a very select few of individuals believe America should be engaged in affairs around the world at the same time securing vital resouces(OIL).

I dont doubt that this issue, seemingly similar to an Xfiles conspiracy, would baffle you. Your American media has not prepped you to believe that something like this could ever take place, hence my argument on American free press.

You probably think they are doing all of this at the behest of the lizard-like alien overlords that have a secret flying saucer landing pad at Area 51 where the practice mind-control techniques on the 300 people that were supposed to be on the flights that crashed but were secretly routed to new mexico for the Lizard overlords.
Cant understand what you are talking about here, sorry.

Is it so difficult to believe a massive series of errors by multiple agencies (with a history of not talking to each other)allowed this plan to come to fruition? These are the same assholes that wear a bomb vest on a bus and kill people, and kidnap people to lop thier heads off with machetes on the internet. So, okay I guess the government is behind all of this because those arabs in the middle east are so nice, and have just been stereotyped as shitheads?
You are all over the place here, it is hard to keep up.

I think it is important you realize that the plane that was en route to hit the Pentagon (im pretty certain it was that plane) was being tracked by Cheney in the White House. He gave the order, after being asked many times, to stand down and not engage that flight. Also, I recall vividly reading that there was a policy put into place that required the consent of the Secretary of Defence to engage any aircraft suspected of being hijacked. I have to double check this one.

Although I dont want to further your views on me as being crazy, you should look into the history of the CIA and observe just how naughty //content.invisioncic.com/y282845/emoticons/naughty.gif.94359f346c0f1259df8038d60b41863e.gif that agency has been in terms of domestic and foreign affairs. I recall reading a lot of controversial shit regarding the CIA. This extends way back to the JFK era and the Bay of Pigs. Do some research and see how the CIA was involved with cuba, and in recent events, some south American country( I forget which) had a President or some high ranking official assasinated supposedly by the CIA. JFK was about to get rid of the CIA altogether, and look what happened to him.

My reference to the CIA just shows you there are certain areas of government that are engaged in very very sketchy events. Events that include assasianations of foreign dignitaries, the assasaination of the President himself (yes, JFK), and quite possibly the murder of 3000 Americans through direct or indirect involvement.

Thier actions have shown them to be religous fanatics capable of anything to reach thier twisted goal. This is not an indictment of all people from the middle east, or even Muslims, but to say the government did this is utterly rediculous, and I don't need a stupid propoganda film to show me that.
Then I will say that you are utterly stupid, naive, ignorant and a fine example of why the government can get away with things like this.

History has shown muslim extremists to be violent and not afraid to die in exceptionally evil ways to reach thier goals and it just makes too much sense. Besides, as many leaks as thier are in government to the press- do you really believe they could keep all of this quiet? Or have the overlords brainwashed us all through the tv broadcasts.....that does it, I'm lining my hat with tinfoil.
First off, dont confuse history and American television. One of the two can be censored and controlled. I absolutely believe that they could stage such an event and get away with it. The US government is the most powerful government in the world. I believe that the attacks, in whole or part, were outsourced or contracted out to others. If any terrorists were involved in the attacks, I highly believe the CIA or someone else in government would have been involved in their training and coordination.

J

 
Umm it didn't take us invading a country to start terrorism... hell we didn't even get into the act (of sending troops there) until the 70's, or maybe it was the 80's. In any case it goes back to Europe roving around and carving up land, they MADE Iraq..... in any case I'd rather see the USA run around the globe setting up friendly democracies than islamists doing the same but with muslim governments...
Again, covered in the film. America is not concerned with setting up democracies. You are concerned with getting people into power who will go along with your point of view and your action plan. This war is not about democracy. I think this was stressed in the film, espeically with the part on Rumsfield shaking the hand of Saddam.

J

 
hey DJGTSR... I've been saying what the video said all along... the war in iraq wasn't about WMD's or a 9/11 reprisal but about positioning of our power in a strategically important point in the world... Iraq was the perfect target because of

A) Location

B) A dictator running rough shod all over the UN

C) He had ACTUALLY used his WMD's and it's not much of a stretch to believe he still had them

D) Oil of course

E) A population already used to a secular government

F) A population who had already tried to defy saddam more than once (both the sunni's and the Kurds)

But where I differ from you is a say it's a win-win situation for the Iraqi's and the Americans...

 
Again, covered in the film. America is not concerned with setting up democracies. You are concerned with getting people into power who will go along with your point of view and your action plan. This war is not about democracy. I think this was stressed in the film, espeically with the part on Rumsfield shaking the hand of Saddam.
J
yah... we **** at picking dictators to be friendly too... it would be nice to see that policy go away and replaced with unilateral military intervention leaving behind a STABLE democracy... but I still haven't seen the rest of the film so I'm not sure what the producers opinion was on that subject...

 
hey DJGTSR... I've been saying what the video said all along... the war in iraq wasn't about WMD's or a 9/11 reprisal but about positioning of our power in a strategically important point in the world... Iraq was the perfect target because of
A) Location

B) A dictator running rough shod all over the UN

C) He had ACTUALLY used his WMD's and it's not much of a stretch to believe he still had them

D) Oil of course

E) A population already used to a secular government

F) A population who had already tried to defy saddam more than once (both the sunni's and the Kurds)

But where I differ from you is a say it's a win-win situation for the Iraqi's and the Americans...
Did you see the footage of the Iraqi children who were mutilated by the coalition mortars and gunfire? Dont you dare tell me its win win for them. I never said Saddam was a good guy who treated his people well, but dont start telling me the Iraqis are much better off now.

They are being slaughtered. Their country is a mess. There is no stability. Could you imagine living there right now?

Americans gaining? Gaining what? Tell me how you have gained from the war? Oh, did the price of oil go down 2 cents? Im sorry. This war has benefited only a few, and the few do not include the general American population.

J

 
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