The big 3 just don't get it, nobody wants American cars.

Its good that German cars look good because the build quality is hooooorrrrrrrible.
Its not the initial build quality that sucks. Its the quality after they have been taken apart a few times. //content.invisioncic.com/y282845/emoticons/laugh.gif.48439b2acf2cfca21620f01e7f77d1e4.gif

 
I support good engineering above all else. I drive a Toyota. The only american cars I would consider owning are the focus because it's so **** cheep, or a Saturn SL2, because they are designed like an asian car.

Trucks are an entirely different issue though.

Edit: and WTF, camrys as cop cars???

smoke more
bad example..but i'm sure you got my point

 
You guys are completely missing the fawking point... It's not the cars, their cars are the least of their worries. It is a combination of large overhead costs {FA (P&E, M&E) & underfunded pensions } , higher variable costs (wages & health care) and a decreasingly productive workforce (no declines in productivity but less gains per year or Marginal productivity increases).

Their competition can make a similar to better quality car for less money even when the American government puts high tariffs on their products. Honda, Nissan, and Toyota have been pwning American manaufacturers for almost 2 decades as far as innovation.

I hope their workfoce gets handed their fawking pink slip from their 80k/year production line jobs and their unions fail.

 
You guys are completely missing the fawking point... It's not the cars, their cars are the least of their worries. It is a combination of large overhead costs {FA (P&E, M&E) & underfunded pensions } , higher variable costs (wages & health care) and a decreasingly productive workforce (no declines in productivity but less gains per year or Marginal productivity increases).
Their competition can make a similar to better quality car for less money even when the American government puts high tariffs on their products. Honda, Nissan, and Toyota have been pwning American manaufacturers for almost 2 decades as far as innovation.

I hope their workfoce gets handed their fawking pink slip from their 80k/year production line jobs and their unions fail.
They don't make 80k a year //content.invisioncic.com/y282845/emoticons/fyi.gif.9f1f679348da7204ce960cfc74bca8e0.gif

 
Biggest issue is the staffing that the big 3 have. When will the Auto unions relize that if they dont stop raping the big 3, they will all be out of work...

No reason to pay someone 30$ an hour to screw a door bolt on...

 
The only reason why american cars have stayed here for so long is because police, ambulance, etc etc are keeping them in service....now if they were only smart enough to have camrys or accords as police cars, then we can save money on gas too.
I won't front though, GM has really improved there product in recent years but it may be too late for them. I know Chrysler is still sub-par and I'm not too sure about Ford but looking at the interior of the new Mustang looks like they are finally getting the message. It's just too bad that they decided to improve their product too late because if they go under I would honestly miss seeing some of those cars on the road. The imports just offer a more options and better quality. X5/ML/Cayenne/RR>Escalade/Navigator E/5/A6/M/GS>STS/MKZ/300 and Z/S2K>Mustang/Challenger
the 350z or s2000 being better than the challenger?

are you out of your fucking mind?

 
According to the Indianapolis Star:Base wages average about $28 an hour. GM officials say the average reaches $39.68 an hour, including base pay, cost-of-living adjustments, night-shift premiums, overtime, holiday and vacation pay. Health-care, pension and other benefits average another $33.58 an hour, GM says. - September 26, 2007 UNITED AUTO WORKERS OFF THE JOB, Striking back at globalization. By Ted Evanoff
According to the National Review:Massive job cuts at General Motors, America's largest carmaker — coupled with the bankruptcy of Delphi, America's biggest autoparts maker — have provoked predictable handwringing from liberal pundits who worry that America is "losing its manufacturing base." But the wrenching change now buffeting the auto industry defies the usual press formulas. Just listen to Steve Miller a turnaround specialist who is steering Delphi's restructuring process. He exploded the myth of America's "endangered" union manufacturing jobs at his October press conference announcing Delphi's move into Chapter 11: "We cannot continue to pay $65 an hour for someone to cut the grass and remain competitive."

Take grass cutting. As defined by the current United Auto Worker contract negotiated with the "Big Five" (GM, Ford, Chrysler, and top parts makers Delphi and Visteon), an auto "production worker" is a job description that covers anything from mowing grass to cleaning the toilets. In the real world, these jobs would be outsourced to $8 an hour, no-benefit wage earners, but on Planet Big Five, these jobs get the same wages as any auto line-worker: an average $26 an hour ($60,000 a year) plus benefits that bring the company's total cost per worker to a staggering $65 an hour.

But at least the grass cutters are working for their pay. The UAW contract also guarantees that 12,000 autoworkers get full wage for doing nothing. On the heels of Miller's straight-talk, the Detroit News reported that "12,000 American autoworkers, instead of bending sheet metal, spend their days counting the hours in a jobs bank." These aren't jobs. And they certainly aren't being "lost" to China.

"We just go in (to Ford's Michigan Truck Plant) and play crossword puzzles, watch videos that someone brings in or read the newspaper," The News quoted one UAW worker as saying. "Otherwise, I've just sat."

The coming months will be painful for many American autoworkers. Accustomed to a certain lifestyle, they will see their wages cut in half, jeopardizing second homes, college tuitions, and car payments. One blue-collar Delphi worker interviewed by the Detroit News makes $103,000 a year operating a forklift and fears the consequences if his pay is drastically reduced. But many Americans will ask how a forklift operator felt entitled to a six-figure income in the first place (according to Bureau of Labor Statistics, the average forklift operator wage in the U.S. is $26,000).

It is an opportune time for political leadership to step to the plate and speak with candor, but the signs are not encouraging.

- November 29, 2005, Labor Pains, Detroit needs to play by market rules. By Henry Payne
40$ per hour is 80k per year...

 
.The imports just offer a more options and better quality. X5/ML/Cayenne/RR>Escalade/Navigator E/5/A6/M/GS>STS/MKZ/300 and Z/S2K>Mustang/Challenger
Let's redo this:

x5/ML = way too many reliability issues

Cayenne = ranked the worst reliable vehicle ever produced

RR = Navigator

Escalade = pretty good value

MKZ and 300s are not in the same class as the E/5/A6/M/GS

Z is nice, but at the bottom end of jap engineering.

Challenger is better that the previous 3 you listed. After you drive one, get back to me.

 
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