Alright i understand that. fine what ever. I don't care anymore. I know the sub came how it came, you think that becuase i have low posts and low feedback that i am lying. Thats fine. You think becuase he has all this feed back, and all theses posts and you have probably interacted with him in some form on these forums that he is not thats up to you. But i am not a scammer. I simply tried to get what i paid for, and unfortunatly wont be granted that. So I have to accept it. It teaches me to deal with kids who can barly wipe their own *** and have never seen the real world, where people work hard for things, and character and integrity are respected. I am done with this thread think what you want, you have no proof. I have two people who were there upon inspection prior to installation, firebird 1991 and my mother. We know the truth. Enjoy your days and i hope all your efforts into this were worth it.