Stetsom 2K6 vs. SAZ-1500's strapped test

You sure you wanna back that statement. Cause all the tests I've seen it hasn't done 7k on 12v @1ohm.
Yes I will. The test you've probably seen are mine and have the prototype 12v. I've only posted the test on a single battery and it does 5k. With extra batteries it will do it. And the finalized version of the 12v is stronger. What other tests have you seen?

 
You just proved how much you know about amplifiers. You win. //content.invisioncic.com/y282845/emoticons/thumbsupwink.gif.129404938effda6ad9cca39e7f4b58a3.gif Maybe before you start talking you should do some research on a product and how it works.
Tell me then kind sir.

How do you control the ripple of the output stage of the power supply? //content.invisioncic.com/y282845/emoticons/wink.gif.608e3ea05f1a9f98611af0861652f8fb.gif

A clamp and a dvom can be had in Daytona i'm sure with no issues, we'll see exactly what they will do in a car //content.invisioncic.com/y282845/emoticons/smile.gif.1ebc41e1811405b213edfc4622c41e27.gif. Could really care less, but it would settle the bickering.

 
Seems to be a lot of company nut huggers here. What does the way an amp looks have to do with reliability? I've seen amps a lot beefier than the 7kd that can't do close to rated power.
You can tell a few things about the design by looking at it:

1) It has very few devices

2) It is extremely small

Rather than re-cap my post on SMD... go read it and see why that has draw-backs. If there were no draw-backs to such a sparse design do you think that JBL would have "wasted" all that money making their A6000GTI with a ridiculous number of devices? It is a fact of the matter that using a few devices pushed to the limits has draw-backs -- sure, you can use fewer and get alot of power in a small board size, Stetsom did it. Just don't act like it is totally without consequence.

 
Tell me then kind sir.
How do you control the ripple of the output stage of the power supply? //content.invisioncic.com/y282845/emoticons/wink.gif.608e3ea05f1a9f98611af0861652f8fb.gif

A clamp and a dvom can be had in Daytona i'm sure with no issues, we'll see exactly what they will do in a car //content.invisioncic.com/y282845/emoticons/smile.gif.1ebc41e1811405b213edfc4622c41e27.gif. Could really care less, but it would settle the bickering.
Feel free to bring it cuz I'll be there. My name is Jeff and I'll be by a white toyota yaris. We'll have plenty of product there to test. But it won't matter or prove anything. Say if the amp does it's power or less it'll still get bashed by people no matter what. That's part of being a new player in the game.

 
Nobody would have a problem with it if Mr. Dante wouldn't have blown so much smoke up so many people's mini skirts //content.invisioncic.com/y282845/emoticons/smile.gif.1ebc41e1811405b213edfc4622c41e27.gif.

Come now...90% efficiency out of a standard class D? Why in the world would Kicker develop the push pull technology in the warhorse to get 94%...when they could have did a unstable class D that's much cheaper...and 90% efficient? //content.invisioncic.com/y282845/emoticons/smile.gif.1ebc41e1811405b213edfc4622c41e27.gif

But, he chose to do that...and now people have a bad taste in their mouths...

 
Nobody would have a problem with it if Mr. Dante wouldn't have blown so much smoke up so many people's mini skirts //content.invisioncic.com/y282845/emoticons/smile.gif.1ebc41e1811405b213edfc4622c41e27.gif.
Come now...90% efficiency out of a standard class D? Why in the world would Kicker develop the push pull technology in the warhorse to get 94%...when they could have did a unstable class D that's much cheaper...and 90% efficient? //content.invisioncic.com/y282845/emoticons/smile.gif.1ebc41e1811405b213edfc4622c41e27.gif

But, he chose to do that...and now people have a bad taste in their mouths...
I 100% agree with you. Alan is a nice guy but he has no common sense when he talks. If the 7k 16v is 70% efficient I'd be shocked. Hell, any amp being above 80% is great. Trust me, I'm feeling the blunt end of Alan's mouth.

 
just for those of you who rather not read over there

Last time I checked Tommy didn't own any of my products -- unless he bought a used one somewhere I'm pretty sure he still doesn't, so I fail to see how he is a "Sundown guy." He also posted IA 20.1 pictures -- why isn't he an "IA guy" as well?

And what gives you the idea that Sundown uses "burnt Atomic boards?" Good job putting out completely false information.

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As for the rest of the thread... I don't see where the debate is. Lets break it down:

1) The 2k6d is a powerful amp and puts out over 3kw, we can agree on this

2) The 2k6d is less efficient than a pair of 1500Ds, this has been demonstrated

3) The 2k6d has less than 1/4 of the heatsink mass of two 1500Ds

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Therefore, the less efficient amp with substantially less cooling capability will be running it's devices hotter and pushing more current through each one.

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We all know that heat is the enemy of semiconductor devices... so what conclusion can one draw? That the amp with parts running at a much higher temperature and much closer to the sheer package size limitations of current is much less likely to have a long life span.

Is there any debate about the above points? It doesn't mean that every amp is going to fail but it does mean that the likelihood is increased. For this same reason I recently tooled up a new heatsink with even more thermal mass and surface area for my lines to further reduce operating temperature for even longer life.

There is no debate that the Stetsom Vulcan line can put out a great deal of power in the SPL lanes -- I don't believe that was questioned. One thing that does bother ME is the way they rate the current draw on their lines. The 2k6d holds most of the records in nSPL since they use their own fusing to fit into the 200-amp class with an amp that draws over 300 amps of current (as any 3kw amp will do, my 3000D calls for a 300-amp fuse as it should). As the test conducted on ROE points out this amp will quickly blow a different brand of 200-amp fuse.

It also bothers me that people believe that using so few devices has no draw-backs... regardless of what part number the devices are a given package has physical limitations regardless of the ratings. No matter what a TO-247 case FET is rated for, that package can only handle so much current and dissipate so much heat from the limited amount of contact area present on the casing. And again, does this necessarily mean they will pop left and right? No -- obviously not all of them fail or we wouldn't be having a debate. It simply means that the devices are strained hard and the probability of failure is higher.

If Stetsom is using the particular devices I suspect they are they did pick the best ones for doing the job with the fewest parts, but it is not without it's drawbacks (eg: reduced efficiency, reduced life span). It's a balancing act and they picked what they wanted the most -- most output for a given size.

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All that being said -- if you like your amp, thats great! If it works for you, thats great! Obviously you run what you do for a reason, glad you like it //content.invisioncic.com/y282845/emoticons/smile.gif.1ebc41e1811405b213edfc4622c41e27.gif
I'm not debating that the Vulcans put out the power the claim -- I'm not sure why you are calling for another comparison. I agreed that they put out the power claimed, I have seen them to do so at quite a few shows. The 1k4d is probably even smaller still than the 2k6d if it follows suit (I have not seen a 1k4d model), so the comparison would likely hold up. The only things that the test on ROE questioned are:

1) Efficiency -- demonstrated to be lower. This is a consequence of the very compact design and low device count. Pushing so much current through so few devices isn't without it's draw-backs.

2) Reliability -- in the test it seemed that the 2k6d had trouble being ran at full output continuously. This doesn't really surprise me, nor should it surprise anyone who has any experience with semiconductor devices -- given that we have established that the amp DOES do 3500 watts, IS less efficient than a comparable amp, and DOES have about 3-4 times less heat-sink mass. Unless the amp really was ~90-95% efficient (which it was proven not to be) you simply cannot run 3000+ watts continuously in an 8 pound case -- not even with the small fan used.

For that kind of power density you would need water cooling, vapor phase, or thermoelectric cooling. Ever look at new computer heat-sinks? They are up to several pounds now with fancy heat-pipes and all sorts of things for a few hundred watts of dissipation, many times with 120mm fans pushing a great deal of CFM.
 
You just proved how much you know about amplifiers. You win. //content.invisioncic.com/y282845/emoticons/thumbsupwink.gif.129404938effda6ad9cca39e7f4b58a3.gif Maybe before you start talking you should do some research on a product and how it works.
Your just proved your a ****ing nut rider. Fuck Stetsom as well as you. //content.invisioncic.com/y282845/emoticons/smile.gif.1ebc41e1811405b213edfc4622c41e27.gif

Have a nice day.

 
Your just proved your a ****ing nut rider. Fuck Stetsom as well as you. //content.invisioncic.com/y282845/emoticons/smile.gif.1ebc41e1811405b213edfc4622c41e27.gif
Have a nice day.
why be so hostel in this thread? no need to bash anyone.

nobody is saying that the stetsom cant do the power, but its still an inefficient current hog that WILL heat up and is not suited for daily usage without consequences.

but its cool you can run 7000watts on a stock alty with 1 battery without issues for 1 full hour //content.invisioncic.com/y282845/emoticons/tongue.gif.6130eb82179565f6db8d26d6001dcd24.gif

 
Your just proved your a ****ing nut rider. Fuck Stetsom as well as you. //content.invisioncic.com/y282845/emoticons/smile.gif.1ebc41e1811405b213edfc4622c41e27.gif
Have a nice day.
WOW, must have hit a nerve. I never used that kind of language with you. A forums is just for discussion/ debate. I'll be the bigger man and apologize if I said anything to upset you.

 
WOW, must have hit a nerve. I never used that kind of language with you. A forums is just for discussion/ debate. I'll be the bigger man and apologize if I said anything to upset you.
Sorry, I had just got back from court to find out the cop that wrote me a ticket is lying his *** off. I really don't even care about this discussion, its just people's opinions, since there are very few tests of these amps on either side of this debate.

I apologize for my comment, I'm just having a bad time right now. //content.invisioncic.com/y282845/emoticons/frown.gif.a3531fa0534503350665a1e957861287.gif

But I do agree with Megalomaniac

 
why be so hostel in this thread? no need to bash anyone.


nobody is saying that the stetsom cant do the power, but its still an inefficient current hog that WILL heat up and is not suited for daily usage without consequences.

but its cool you can run 7000watts on a stock alty with 1 battery without issues for 1 full hour //content.invisioncic.com/y282845/emoticons/tongue.gif.6130eb82179565f6db8d26d6001dcd24.gif
Not to get into this argument here, but, my 2k6 running @ 1 ohm never had any problems.

Never overheated, and never shut off.

As far as current hog. My old setup of a NSB 100 in the back and a stock battery (duralast from autozone) up front with a 200 amp Powermaster alternator (which was rated at 120 amps at idle), and I never had any voltage drop below 13v where the battery was floating at. That's at idle by the way. Given that with rise I am sure that the actual impedance was probably around 2 ohms if not more, but still I never had any problems.

Like I said I am not here in this thread to stir the barrel but I beat on that amp hard and never had that problem. So the concept of it shutting off after 10 minutes seems extremely odd to me.

And now i am going to blend back into the background on this thread.

 
Your just proved your a ****ing nut rider. Fuck Stetsom as well as you. //content.invisioncic.com/y282845/emoticons/smile.gif.1ebc41e1811405b213edfc4622c41e27.gif
Have a nice day.
As a rep you should be atleast a little bit more professional on this forum.

Just because Alan is cocky doesn't give you an excuse to react this way.

 
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