SQ sub with solid output

[Cruzer 10+ year member]

Let me first try and explain my view on something to better help what u think is best for me.

u know how rockford fosgate has 3 lines of subwoofers?

the way i see it/view it/etc. is like this

prime is for a beginner to car audio, wanting to add a little bass, enough to hear the notes that u have to have a sub for.

punch is for the average subwoofer fan. they get solid output from these subs and those that enjoy prime would say these subs are too much.

power is for bass heads and SPL guys. its really way to loud to be a wise choice for a daily driver.

so this is how i classify subs i run across. for example Image Dynamics.

the ID series is for those who want to add a little bass enough to hear and recognize that songs have bass.

the IDQ series is for the average subwoofer user (one that always wants subs in every vehicle they have). they provide solid output, but nothing deafening or hurting ur ears.

IDMAX stupid loud, not really smart to choose for a daily driver.

JL Audio

a jl 12w0 is for beginners

12w3 is for average users

12w7 is just not needed, dont want it that loud for my daily driver

now i know, everyone's opinion is different but thats how i see it. so what sub should i go for?

(2) IDQ12v2

(2) Polk MM1240 (i have the 10" versions now, love the SQ, i want little more output figure these would fit the bill but maybe they wont be much louder?)

(1) incriminator flatlyne 15" (15" because the 12" is $319 and the 15" is $340 and since this would be a single sub setup ill go for 15" for output)

http://www.incriminatoraudio.com/upd...e=2&product=20 (for those not familiar with the brand or product line)

All subs will get 870watts rms from an AQ1200D.

sealed boxes for whatever subs i end up with

i cant decide because maybe the polks wont be quite loud enough(tho i really think that will be spot on).

are the IDQs worth the extra $ over the polks? will i even hear the output difference or the SQ difference?

with the incriminator 15" really be GOOD SQ? im 99% sure it will be loud enough. Is it worth buying this over 2 12s for cheaper than this 1 sub that might not be as loud as 2 12s?

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[4OZGLOVES 10+ year member]

FI Q series are also great subs for SQ and good output. I had a 12 off 1000 rms in 2.5 cubes ported at 31 hz and it sounded amazing.

 

[kmanian 5,000+ posts]

shy not use a ported box? that is going to give you more output without going through buying and selling.

 

[Cruzer 10+ year member]

FI Q series are also great subs for SQ and good output. I had a 12 off 1000 rms in 2.5 cubes ported at 31 hz and it sounded amazing.

I guess i could run 1 15" Q series, but do u think that it will have more output than 2 12s? such as IDQ12v2?

it would be cheaper than the incriminator flatylne but how will it compare? is it the same but cheaper, or is it better for cheaper?

shy not use a ported box? that is going to give you more output without going through buying and selling.

Why is ported better than sealed other than output? i know ive heard sealed and i like the sound. Im not sure i can build a ported box, and i dont want to pay over 100$ for someone to make it and ship it to me when i can spend 30-40$ and make a sealed one.

 

[bigaudiofanatic 10+ year member]

ID Q FTW I can not see a 15 inch going as tight as a 12.

 

[Bumpin' Goalie 10+ year member]

I guess i could run 1 15" Q series, but do u think that it will have more output than 2 12s? such as IDQ12v2?
it would be cheaper than the incriminator flatylne but how will it compare? is it the same but cheaper, or is it better for cheaper?

Why is ported better than sealed other than output? i know ive heard sealed and i like the sound. Im not sure i can build a ported box, and i dont want to pay over 100$ for someone to make it and ship it to me when i can spend 30-40$ and make a sealed one.

When you go ported, you use airspace and tuning to control the response curve. You can make it very flat or peaked, depending on your listening preferences. I personally enjoy my ported enclosures more than sealed enclosures. They are not pre-fabs by any means though.

Also, for what it's worth:

Your way of describing things as 'simple, medium, too much' can be overruled by remembering that you can always turn it down safely. But you cant always turn it up safely. As long as it sounds just as "good" I'd rather have the ability to safely be louder. Just food for thought //content.invisioncic.com/y282845/emoticons/smile.gif.1ebc41e1811405b213edfc4622c41e27.gif

 

[infamous_e46 5,000+ posts]

I have one for sale in the classifieds 12 sq sub 3inch coil

 

[Cruzer 10+ year member]

Also' date=' for what it's worth:

Your way of describing things as 'simple, medium, too much' can be overruled by remembering that you can always turn it down safely. But you cant always turn it up safely. As long as it sounds just as "good" I'd rather have the ability to safely be louder. Just food for thought //content.invisioncic.com/y282845/emoticons/smile.gif.1ebc41e1811405b213edfc4622c41e27.gif[/quote']

I know the way i view it is flawed, but i really cant find a better way to compare subs and such. i cant find any articles to read that give a way to judge specs and stuff, so i just guess and ask on forums =/

Ur right it is better to be able to just turn stuff down and be able to turn it up later, but im not gonna buy an IDMAX way more just to have that ability when an IDQ will be good enough.

ID Q FTW I can not see a 15 inch going as tight as a 12.

i question this as well but ive seen lots of people on this forum say size does not matter at all and 1 guy posted his FI 18" (not sure of model) and he played slipknot and tho i could not see the sub i could here it hitting every beat. also the SQ not known from the vid hard to tell

 

[Bumpin' Goalie 10+ year member]

Size isn't a big judge of "speed" or ability.

The only difference is usually the mms is slightly different, lowering Fs.

 

[Kyle_Keating 10+ year member]

"and he played slipknot and tho i could not see the sub i could here it hitting every beat"

subs don't miss beats ever. His system was in all likelihood very non-linear. If a sub missed a beat - where did it go? Eventually if you actually used that logic it would finish songs seconds if not minutes after they ended, or somehow they would have to ignore sound in the time domain and skip ahead magically to the correct point. This is totally illogical.

Good sounding system typically are in well designed systems and tend to be linear in the frequency domain, but beyond that you need a low distortion driver.

 

[FlexnInLa 10+ year member]

I'm a bass player and regularly play through PA systems with 18" subs. They are not "slow" by any means. Not do they sound bad.

 

[Cruzer 10+ year member]

"and he played slipknot and tho i could not see the sub i could here it hitting every beat"
subs don't miss beats ever. His system was in all likelihood very non-linear. If a sub missed a beat - where did it go? Eventually if you actually used that logic it would finish songs seconds if not minutes after they ended, or somehow they would have to ignore sound in the time domain and skip ahead magically to the correct point. This is totally illogical.

Good sounding system typically are in well designed systems and tend to be linear in the frequency domain, but beyond that you need a low distortion driver.

Well i have 2 RF p2 subs and on some fast metal music sometimes they dont play the beats. everything is wired right and the box is sealed and optimal size for the drivers, they are in perfect working order and have been underpowered so are not blown or damaged. guess internet talk > real life experience

 

[FlexnInLa 10+ year member]

Well i have 2 RF p2 subs and on some fast metal music sometimes they dont play the beats. everything is wired right and the box is sealed and optimal size for the drivers, they are in perfect working order and have been underpowered so are not blown or damaged. guess internet talk > real life experience

Uhh... I have about 20 years of real life experience with kick drum and bass guitar hitting subwoofers in PA systems. An properly powered 18, in a proper cabinet, can play every note I play on bass, and every kick a REALLY fast drummer can play on double bass. Do you think they are running 10's in a PA system when you go to a show?

 

[rosrock 10+ year member]

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[Bumpin' Goalie 10+ year member]

Uhh... I have about 20 years of real life experience with kick drum and bass guitar hitting subwoofers in PA systems. An properly powered 18, in a proper cabinet, can play every note I play on bass, and every kick a REALLY fast drummer can play on double bass. Do you think they are running 10's in a PA system when you go to a show?

Valid, true, good point.