speakers fine with no amp for this?

[AuX 10+ year member]

22 watts per channel of RMS output is a pretty common rating for the internal amp contained within a headunit. Many different decks (including the one I run) have a like wattage rating. But the percentage of distortion contained in the output signal at that level of wattage is generally pretty high and it's a safe bet to assume that your deck is only outputting 15-20 watts of clean power per channel. This is a generalization which, like all others, has its exceptions but it's safe enough to follow as a rule of thumb.
You certainly are in no way the first and I'll guarantee not the last person wanting some 'better than factory' tunes in their ride but are somewhat hamstrung by a really tight budget. Nothing to be ashamed of there, for sure!

Would it be easy to add an amp later? That depends on your definition of easy, really. An external amplifier requires power cable, ground connection cable, a lead that comes off the back of your headunit that tells it to turn on and off (typically referred to as the remote turn-on lead) and then speaker wire which will go from the amp to each speaker that it is amplifying ~ 4 speakers total in your case.

We don't know what you drive so there's no way to guess how hard it would be to run all the necessary wiring in your specific example.

Also - because of the odd (to us) model number for your Pioneer CD player I have to assume that you aren't in the states? With that in mind it is entirely possible that you drive a vehicle that isn't familiar to us at all so we'd really be guessing if we tried to tell you how easy or hard installing an amp in there might be!

Generally, though, it isn't actually difficult, per se, simply time-consuming.

You can goto www.crutchfield.com and type in Learning Center in the search bar - and then have a look around for the various installation videos they have posted there. They make for a pretty decent "how to" for beginners. //content.invisioncic.com/y282845/emoticons/smile.gif.1ebc41e1811405b213edfc4622c41e27.gif

Edit: I just saw that you're in Oz.

Which state?

My wife lives in SA (and so will I once all the immigration paperwork gets sorted which is a complete pain in the *** and incredibly time-consuming in its own right //content.invisioncic.com/y282845/emoticons/mad.gif.c18f003ab0ef8a0d9c27ca78d77a6392.gif)

I drive a Ford Laser 1994 KH model

I'm in QLD

So it might be a bit of fiddling around latter but still ok to do //content.invisioncic.com/y282845/emoticons/smile.gif.1ebc41e1811405b213edfc4622c41e27.gif well that ok even with out the amp what I have now and soon to be going in my car will have to sound a lot better then the stock 1 blown left speaker, right you barely know it's there rears are working normally and just the factory cassette radio installed.

EDIT: Thank you for the info and the site etc. //content.invisioncic.com/y282845/emoticons/smile.gif.1ebc41e1811405b213edfc4622c41e27.gif

 

[AuX 10+ year member]

It's kind of tough to make recommendations for a specific amp for you as many things that are commonplace here may or may not be available to you there in Australia.
For example - I'm a huge fan of Diamond Audio gear but as far as I know it isn't available to you lot over there unless you buy it from a source here and have it shipped overseas to you...

fair enough //content.invisioncic.com/y282845/emoticons/smile.gif.1ebc41e1811405b213edfc4622c41e27.gif

Well this is the best I can do to show you online what's available http://www.ryda.com.au/Car-Amplifiers-Store-s/9.htm plus than whatever the local stores can get etc. but I will just have to go in and look sometime soon.

 

[Prowler573 5,000+ posts]

Okay - what Ford marketed as a Laser there was sold as an Escort here (same car as yours excepting the obvious difference of yours being right-hand drive whereas the Escort stateside was left-hand drive) so that's a vehicle many here are going to be familiar with. //content.invisioncic.com/y282845/emoticons/smile.gif.1ebc41e1811405b213edfc4622c41e27.gif

I've never been to QLD, sadly. I've been to NSW for the very minimal experience of routing through Sydney's airport en route to Adelaide and I've been to Vic when the wife and I went to Melbourne to visit some people...

Mrs Prowler has an uncle that lives in Brisbane, though, so I'm sure I'll eventually get to see your fine state. //content.invisioncic.com/y282845/emoticons/smile.gif.1ebc41e1811405b213edfc4622c41e27.gif

 

[AuX 10+ year member]

Okay - what Ford marketed as a Laser there was sold as an Escort here (same car as yours excepting the obvious difference of yours being right-hand drive whereas the Escort stateside was left-hand drive) so that's a vehicle many here are going to be familiar with. //content.invisioncic.com/y282845/emoticons/smile.gif.1ebc41e1811405b213edfc4622c41e27.gif
I've never been to QLD, sadly. I've been to NSW for the very minimal experience of routing through Sydney's airport en route to Adelaide and I've been to Vic when the wife and I went to Melbourne to visit some people...

Mrs Prowler has an uncle that lives in Brisbane, though, so I'm sure I'll eventually get to see your fine state. //content.invisioncic.com/y282845/emoticons/smile.gif.1ebc41e1811405b213edfc4622c41e27.gif

glad to know it's a car many on here will be familiar with //content.invisioncic.com/y282845/emoticons/smile.gif.1ebc41e1811405b213edfc4622c41e27.gif

Well I'm sure you will make it to QLD someday //content.invisioncic.com/y282845/emoticons/smile.gif.1ebc41e1811405b213edfc4622c41e27.gif

My it's getting on to the early hrs here 2:50am I'm off to bed thanks for the help today everyone //content.invisioncic.com/y282845/emoticons/smile.gif.1ebc41e1811405b213edfc4622c41e27.gif

 

[kross 10+ year member]

Well, if you have to, you can buy from some online sites that will ship to Australia. sonicelectronix.com, woofersetc.com, and others will do so. I have no idea how much it will cost for shipping, import tarrifs, etc.

But there are plently of 4-channel, 60w RMS per channel amps available online for about $120 USD, or about $137 AUD, plus shipping, etc.

 

[AuX 10+ year member]

Just something I'm slightly confused on is the power out put of amplifiers //content.invisioncic.com/y282845/emoticons/redface.gif.62fdbfe1a101588a808c4cff71bcb942.gif now can you get to powerful? for what you have or not //content.invisioncic.com/y282845/emoticons/confused.gif.e820e0216602db4765798ac39d28caa9.gif or it like you have speakers, subs etc. and it needs x amount of power and you have a 600 watt amp it just draws what it needs yes?

I feel silly asking this but //content.invisioncic.com/y282845/emoticons/redface.gif.62fdbfe1a101588a808c4cff71bcb942.gif I just need to clear this up I forget how I became confused must of read or heard something I'm not sure.

 

[Prowler573 5,000+ posts]

Yes, you can certainly get too powerful.

You wouldn't want to try and power a set of tweeters that need no more than 50w, ever, with a 150w per channel amplifier. You wouldn't want to power a set of midrange drivers that aren't made for more than 100w or so with 500w. You wouldn't want to drive an entry-level subwoofer that only wants 200-250w and no more with a 1kW+ monoblock. Unhappy results will soon be had.

No - an amp won't simply draw what is needed by the driver in question and hold the rest of its output capability in reserve. That would be a nice feature, now that I think about it, and make the amplifier-buying decision considerably less complicated...I digress.

An amp is designed to output X amount of wattage at Y level of resistance. The values of X and Y, obviously, will vary from one amp to the next.

What you'll want to do is take a look at the RMS input wattage ratings on whatever speakers you're wanting to amplify. In your case, naturally, we're speaking of the Pioneer 6x9s and 6.5" speakers as listed in the opening post.

Your 6x9s have an RMS input rating of 40w each.

Your 6.5" 2-ways have an RMS rating of 30w each.

So you need an amp that does no more than 35-50w per channel. That matches the wattage ratings on your speakers well enough without going so far over the needed level of power as to be detrimental to the speakers.

 

[AuX 10+ year member]

Yes, you can certainly get too powerful.
You wouldn't want to try and power a set of tweeters that need no more than 50w, ever, with a 150w per channel amplifier. You wouldn't want to power a set of midrange drivers that aren't made for more than 100w or so with 500w. You wouldn't want to drive an entry-level subwoofer that only wants 200-250w and no more with a 1kW+ monoblock. Unhappy results will soon be had.

No - an amp won't simply draw what is needed by the driver in question and hold the rest of its output capability in reserve. That would be a nice feature, now that I think about it, and make the amplifier-buying decision considerably less complicated...I digress.

An amp is designed to output X amount of wattage at Y level of resistance. The values of X and Y, obviously, will vary from one amp to the next.

What you'll want to do is take a look at the RMS input wattage ratings on whatever speakers you're wanting to amplify. In your case, naturally, we're speaking of the Pioneer 6x9s and 6.5" speakers as listed in the opening post.

Your 6x9s have an RMS input rating of 40w each.

Your 6.5" 2-ways have an RMS rating of 30w each.

So you need an amp that does no more than 35-50w per channel. That matches the wattage ratings on your speakers well enough without going so far over the needed level of power as to be detrimental to the speakers.

//content.invisioncic.com/y282845/emoticons/smile.gif.1ebc41e1811405b213edfc4622c41e27.gif that clears that up thank you for the explanation, so does that mean you have about 15 watts headroom when matching amps to speakers?

 

[Prowler573 5,000+ posts]

//content.invisioncic.com/y282845/emoticons/smile.gif.1ebc41e1811405b213edfc4622c41e27.gif that clears that up thank you for the explanation, so does that mean you have about 15 watts headroom when matching amps to speakers?

The 15 watts difference in the input capabilites for your speakers and the output I suggested you be looking for in an amp is no specific benchmark to guide you in all amplifier buying decisions.

It was a general suggestion because 35w ~ 50w per channel output is a common value to be able to find.

It's also pretty common to find a 4ch amp in the neighborhood of 75w ~ 100w per channel output but that level of power wouldn't be appropriate for the gear you're running.

By way of contrast an amp that makes 15w per channel or 20w up to about 30w per channel isn't particularly common anymore as the internal amps in headunits make that much juice (or close to it) nowadays so there'd be no market for such a thing to very many buyers.

 

[AuX 10+ year member]

//content.invisioncic.com/y282845/emoticons/smile.gif.1ebc41e1811405b213edfc4622c41e27.gif ok I understand that then.

 

[genxx 10+ year member]

This is off topic: Brisbane rocks, also surfer paradise and the gold coast. I loved Australia. Awsome place to live. Spent 5 weeks there. Brisbane is my fav place I have been in Australia.

Sorry, just don't see to many people that know where Brisbane is. My apologies for thread dumping.

 

[Prowler573 5,000+ posts]

Well, I reckon the OP knows where it is since it's in his state and it isn't a little bitty town...

More people (non-Aussies) have at least heard of Brisbane than have Adelaide where Mrs Prowler lives.

I was freggin amazed when Death By Bass joined the forum because that's where he lives too - in Adelaide.

No "CrowEater" remarks from you, either, AuX! //content.invisioncic.com/y282845/emoticons/laugh.gif.48439b2acf2cfca21620f01e7f77d1e4.gif

 

[genxx 10+ year member]

I was talking about you Prowler not the OP. I know what QLD stands for and where it is.

 

[AuX 10+ year member]

Well, I reckon the OP knows where it is since it's in his state and it isn't a little bitty town...
More people (non-Aussies) have at least heard of Brisbane than have Adelaide where Mrs Prowler lives.

I was freggin amazed when Death By Bass joined the forum because that's where he lives too - in Adelaide.

No "CrowEater" remarks from you, either, AuX! //content.invisioncic.com/y282845/emoticons/laugh.gif.48439b2acf2cfca21620f01e7f77d1e4.gif

//content.invisioncic.com/y282845/emoticons/laugh.gif.48439b2acf2cfca21620f01e7f77d1e4.gif croweater, I can say that didn't come to mind.

I sure do know where Brisbane is //content.invisioncic.com/y282845/emoticons/laugh.gif.48439b2acf2cfca21620f01e7f77d1e4.gif

 

[AuX 10+ year member]

head unit is installed along with the front speakers //content.invisioncic.com/y282845/emoticons/smile.gif.1ebc41e1811405b213edfc4622c41e27.gif and I'm happy with them both //content.invisioncic.com/y282845/emoticons/smile.gif.1ebc41e1811405b213edfc4622c41e27.gif 6x9's are also in the parcel shelf now and ready to be connected will get that done next weekend and then I'm set //content.invisioncic.com/y282845/emoticons/smile.gif.1ebc41e1811405b213edfc4622c41e27.gif