screws?

[atlninja82 10+ year member]

so ive been looking at peoples box builds lately and i have seen people using screws and people just using glue. so should i use screws if im already using wood glue? isnt the glue stronger than the wood itself? any comments, thoughts, or opinions are appreciated.

-eric

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[Twisted_0912 10+ year member]

the screws hold the material in place until the glue dries

 

[mlstrass 5,000+ posts]

been covered a 100 times. Screws hold the box together while the glue dries. Normally used in place of clamps...

 

[IDSkoT 5,000+ posts]

been covered a 100 times. Screws hold the box together while the glue dries. Normally used in place of clamps...

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Some people will clamp the box down after they glue it, then put in screws (Usually about 6" apart from each other.) Once they screw it in, they un-clamp and go to the next part.

 

[BushJ311 5,000+ posts]

I use glue and screws + clamps. But you do not need screws. I also did not keep the clamps on long

 

[atlninja82 10+ year member]

o sorry. i wasnt aware of the topic being covered. i would search but i didnt know what to search for. but since i have clamps cant i just clamp it down and let it dry and move on like that instead of using screws?

 

[IDSkoT 5,000+ posts]

o sorry. i wasnt aware of the topic being covered. i would search but i didnt know what to search for. but since i have clamps cant i just clamp it down and let it dry and move on like that instead of using screws?

Yeah, of course. People do it as a precaution. Because, it actually takes 24 hours for the glue to cure 100%. I keep my clamps on for 2-6 hours per bind to make sure the bond is good.

But let's put it in retrospect...

If you use screws, there will be pressure on that joint, the same as if clamps were on, all the time. Even after the glue cures.

But, you can use clamps and only clamps. I did that on my last build. The only thing is, I took my time. So it ended up taking me 2 or 3 days to construct a box with 6 sides. //content.invisioncic.com/y282845/emoticons/laugh.gif.48439b2acf2cfca21620f01e7f77d1e4.gif

 

[atlninja82 10+ year member]

gotchya. i think ill use some screws then. thanks a lot. and sorry for asking the same question a million other people did evidently .

-eric

 

[jdawg 5,000+ posts]

o sorry. i wasnt aware of the topic being covered. i would search but i didnt know what to search for. but since i have clamps cant i just clamp it down and let it dry and move on like that instead of using screws?

orly? What about the thread you made about it. //content.invisioncic.com/y282845/emoticons/rolleyes.gif.c1fef805e9d1464d377451cd5bc18bfb.gif

http://www.caraudio.com/forum/showthread.php?t=362296

 

[Pioneer~Saturn 5,000+ posts]

Yea, using screws allows you to keep moving with the project instead of waiting for the glue to cure with the pieces in clamps...the screws actually would also provide some support by going into the material further than the glue would, just a thought. If I have the time I simply clamp, makes a baller-smooth finish with no worries about screws+screw holes to cover up..

 

[Rashaddd 5,000+ posts]

the face of MDF can relatively easily be stripped and peel off. The glue won't fail, but it can be like gluing your two fingers together, and then when you pull them apart, the glue doesn't unstick, so instead a chunk of skin rips off one finger.

granted its unlikely to actually happen in an enclosure, but I think it is hard to argue against the fact that you're better off putting in screws every 6-8"

 

[kovemaster559 5,000+ posts]

just use a router , rabbiting bit , glue and tats it . makes it nice ohhh and clamps lots of clamps

 

[CadillacMatt 10+ year member]

Smaller enclosures should be OK without screws but for something like my 75lb box we used brad nails & screws in conjunction with plenty of wood glue //content.invisioncic.com/y282845/emoticons/smile.gif.1ebc41e1811405b213edfc4622c41e27.gif

Might be overkill but better to be safe then sorry.

 

[ngsm13 5,000+ posts]

Pneumatic nailer + glue = win.

nG

 

[wasted ink 10+ year member]

the face of MDF can relatively easily be stripped and peel off. The glue won't fail, but it can be like gluing your two fingers together, and then when you pull them apart, the glue doesn't unstick, so instead a chunk of skin rips off one finger.
granted its unlikely to actually happen in an enclosure, but I think it is hard to argue against the fact that you're better off putting in screws every 6-8"

as long as the joint is clamped while the glue fully cures, theres no possibiltity of that happening. i know exactly where youre coming from though. if somehting is going to break (and this has been proven) the wood will break before the joint (and not the paper surface ripping away)

just use a router , rabbiting bit , glue and tats it . makes it nice ohhh and clamps lots of clamps

amen homes

Smaller enclosures should be OK without screws but for something like my 75lb box we used brad nails & screws in conjunction with plenty of wood glue //content.invisioncic.com/y282845/emoticons/smile.gif.1ebc41e1811405b213edfc4622c41e27.gif
Might be overkill but better to be safe then sorry.

i used nothing but glue on my 5.5 cube enclosure for my MT18. and although using alot of screws and nails may seem like a good idea, ("the more, the better" theory) if you use fasteners closer then 6 inches or so from each other, they become stress risers in the joint. predrilling (pilot holes) will help, but not solve the problem.

trust me when i say, gluing and clamping is the way to go. if you must use screws, space them evenly every 8" or so, and use pilot holes.