Rear Fill vs Front Stage

[2LouDFoRThiS 10+ year member]

I think your front stage of your speakers is yes the most important, but not having no speakers at all in the back doesnt give you that surround sound effect. It just completes a system to have some rear fill. Dont you think so?

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[Worlddre 5,000+ posts]

no i dont

 

[Chevyaudio 5,000+ posts]

I second Dre...Rear Fill sucks.

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I think of it like this, you dont go to a concert and turn your back to the stage do you? then why would you want speakers behind you unless your were doing a Car Theatre project.

 

[azbass 5,000+ posts]

what ever you think sounds the best to YOU

 

[2LouDFoRThiS 10+ year member]

no i dont

dont people ever sit in your back seats?

 

[Trey803 5,000+ posts]

What the hell about me? Regular cab truck the rear speakers seem closer than the front ones but still about even. Rear-fill and Front stage are just about the same thing in my truck???? I am thinking about hooking up the fronts to an alpine amp just to see if I like

 

[bibby 5,000+ posts]

I look at it like this. front STAGE, and rear FILL are called that for reasons. You get high quality high powered comps in your front for a good strong front stage. Then get some good speakers, with low power for the back just to have some fill noise. So it's not all quiet back there.

 

[Worlddre 5,000+ posts]

dont people ever sit in your back seats?

tis a physical impossibility my backseat is incredibly small and the drivers seat might as well be touching it

 

[bri487 5,000+ posts]

rear fill is bomb when you have time delay. and when those and your fronts are perfectly matched to your woofers, then you have a sick *** setup.

 

[alteraudiousa 10+ year member]

if you have a good rear stage then you won't even notice it. The rears should blend in so well with your fronts it only sounds like a left and right(stereo) soundstage and not a front and rear stage. Personally I don't even need a rear fill as it does noting to improve my soundstage. ONce you DO get your TA right and the speakers are matched to your sub you'll truly have good bass, midbass and soundstage and it'll rock.

 

[bri487 5,000+ posts]

if you have a good rear stage then you won't even notice it. The rears should blend in so well with your fronts it only sounds like a left and right(stereo) soundstage and not a front and rear stage. Personally I don't even need a rear fill as it does noting to improve my soundstage. ONce you DO get your TA right and the speakers are matched to your sub you'll truly have good bass, midbass and soundstage and it'll rock.

exactly, every notes becomes more defined and louder because of time delay.

 

[Gary S 10+ year member]

Don't get side tracked by the old factory radio + four speakers standard... the only thing you will gain with rear speakers is more bass if you don't have amps and one or more subs. That's an old-fashioned factory system... exactly what you are trying to get away from.

The foundation of all great systems is the satellite/subwoofer system which consists of 3 or 4 channels of amplification, electronic crossovers (often built into the amps), front satellite speakers or component speakers to handle the highs and mids, and one or more subs. Every system should start with this backbone of design... anything less is a waste of time and money.

The only time you should use rear fill speakers in a car is if you are going to send them a dedicated surround signal... and today, you need some type of surround or Dolby processor to do that. Note that some CD players have/ or have had built -in processors in the past. Another way to do it is with the JL 5- channel amp.. it has an ambiance switch for the rear amp channels.... it is a surround signal... but they probably are not allowed to say that due to possible trademark infringement.

Feeding rear satellite speakers with anything less than a surround signal, such as stereo, or even worse, a mono signal, will take away from the front sound stage... as an example, lets say you are listening to a song with a lead singer... instead of being upfront and center, it's going to sound like he is in the middle of the car, or worse... your center stage will be the speaker that is closest to you.

Don't waste your time with rear fill unless you are going full-tilt with a surround system... a great set of front speakers, amplified, will fill your car with sound. Buy the best component system for the front you can afford, and spend what you have left on a head unit, amp(s), and subs, and most importantly, spend your money or time on the install... forget the rest.

Look folks... the reason the surround signal for rear satellites is the only answer is because a surround signal is essentially the stereo signal, minus the center (mono) signal... this gives you 360 degree sound, but the mono front stage portion of the soundtrack stays upfront and intact... the only place it should be.

 

[bri487 5,000+ posts]

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[req 5,000+ posts]

thanks mr gary.

rear fill should only be used for people who really dont care about sound quality at all.

about that comment "do people sit in your back seats?"

who cares. you dont sit back there. so dont worry about it hah. if they are your real friends, they will sit in the front - with you.

 

[bri487 5,000+ posts]

thanks mr gary.
rear fill should only be used for people who really dont care about sound quality at all.

about that comment "do people sit in your back seats?"

who cares. you dont sit back there. so dont worry about it hah. if they are your real friends, they will sit in the front - with you.

you mind would change completely if you heard something with great processing and time delay setup correctly. i'm a believer now. after two very extensive systems without rear fill.