"You Black People Were Lucky To Be Our Slaves"-Patrick Buchanan

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Hell yeah Flip. Why is it when African Americans in bad neighborhoods try to better themselves in getting an education they are looked down upon by their peers? Ex. Doing well in school and being made fun of for being too white. Cosby preaches about this all the time.

Until an entire culture realizes there are better ways to get out of the ghetto than selling drugs, hustling, or getting an NBA contract they are never going to advance.

Please do not put words in my mouth...my comments weren't directed at any race in particular, just George's comments.

I don't look down on anyone except those who choose not to take advantage of opportunities. I think it is the responsibility of those better off to communicate those opportunities to those who are blinded from them because of percieved socio-economic barriers. To me, it's not an issue of race, it's an issue of ignorance.

 
Nothing can justify slavery but there are a few points that he makes that have some meaning.
1) Black People are better off in American than if they had been left in Africa. Why do you think there aren't alot of takers on the whole "Go back to Africa" thing.

1a) White people have to understand that a large portion of the southern infrastructure and farming was done by blacks. It's a big reason why the rest of the country could focus on the industrial revolution as we alwasy had excess quantity in food production.

2) "Is white America really responsible for the fact that the crime and incarceration rates for African-Americans are seven times those of white America? Is it really white America’s fault that illegitimacy in the African-American community has hit 70 percent and the black dropout rate from high schools in some cities has reached 50 percent?"

No and No

3) The people in the neighborhood make it a ghetto... Case in point, a local city put up brand new project housing about 5 years ago. The quality of construction and looks were the equivalanet of 200k condos going up in nicer neighborhoods. Today if you drive by it, the building is disgustingly dirty and the people have trashed the inside.

The place doesn't create the problems it is the people. Another example a local smaller suburb locally, which was a nice place to live, had recently become engulfed with illegals from Mexi and Cuba streaming in through Miami. These people were seeking a better life but instead brought their problems with them. Their kids rob and kill for fun and now a nice town (which was mostly white) is now a slum in a little under 4-5 years.

This is looking at something from an educated standpoint.

 
Flip, i really respect your outlook on this. Tsenfw, i understand why you edited your post, but i think you did bring up a point that would get more notariety, if it were looked at more in depth rather than just scoffed at. Why would someone in that situation want to have children, there is an explanation for that based on financial gain, i wish the goverment would put stipulations on their "help" that would cure problems like this.

jason

 
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1) wow you are an ignorant son of a ***** eh? stop robbing and shooting? you really think its that easy? these people live in the ****ing slums. cant afford housing, running water, transportation to work, clothes for work, nothing. so you're saying if you had to support and feed you're family you wouldn't rob or sell dope? these people have no ****ing options, and it just so happens to be that they're surrounded by others of their kind (which happens to be black in these neighborhoods) so when the shit hits the fan its gonna be another "black on black" crime.

why do you think there is less violent crime in white suburbs? people will do what it takes to survive, and when its as easy as going to our steady jobs to make a living

So you are saying that there is no other viable solution to their situation and poverty level other than robbing and stealing? Go ahead and give someone else an excuse, usually that is all people need not to better themselves.

Racial Diversity exemplifies itself in our colleges. Another thing i believe that brings up hostility between cultures is the governments handouts. I know i have student loans out the a$$, while others will graduate with the same degree as me scott free of debt.

jason

 
Flip, i really respect your outlook on this. Tsenfw, i understand why you edited your post, but i think you did bring up a point that would get more notariety, if it were looked at more in depth rather than just scoffed at. Why would someone in that situation want to have children, there is an explanation for that based on financial gain, i wish the goverment would put stipulations on their "help" that would cure problems like this.

jason
There seems to be some disconnect between *** and procreation. I am unsure if the link between the two aren't taught in schools because we instead advocate abstinance or what?

But there is a solution that has actually provided a great deterrant against crime among those in such horrible socio-economic conditions: abortion.

Here are some articles worth reading if any are really interested in the subject:

http://pricetheory.uchicago.edu/levitt/Papers/LevittAlternativeStrategies2001.pdf

http://pricetheory.uchicago.edu/levitt/Papers/CullenLevittCrimeUrban1999.pdf

http://pricetheory.uchicago.edu/levitt/Papers/LevittVenkatesh2001.pdf

http://pricetheory.uchicago.edu/levitt/Papers/DonohueLevittTheImpactOfLegalized2001.pdf

http://pricetheory.uchicago.edu/levitt/Papers/DonohueLevittTheImpactOfLegalized2001.pdf

--This is my favorite economist btw.

 
All Jokes and Bullshit aside. The sooner we take the responsibilty of treating people like people and judge people as individuals instead part of a race and classing based on color. The better off we will all be. Let someones individual actions and mannerism speak for who they are. None of us chose what color or nationality we were born as. Its the ****ing cards your dealt, you play the hand and make the most of it. 2 kinds of people in this world, The people that go out and get what they want, and everybody else that has an excuse why they can't.

It is very easy for someone to sit around and feel sorry for themself and blame everything and everyone for the lack of money or oportunity or whatever they claim is holding them back. I hear this shit an d I feel the need to slap person saying it. If you are of age to work and have a able body there is no reason why you cannot support yourself or your family. People Immigrate to this country for the oportunity to work for subpar wages and no benefits because it is a lot better than where they came from. All the while we have sorry ***** that are content with living on handouts and goverment assistance. And they all have a sorry *** excuse.

 
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Growing up in Coos Bay OR, we had ONE black person. He ran a shoeshine stand.

With ONE black person here, we were beset by alcoholism, child abuse, a high vocational death rate, tons of property crime and we had no shortage of rundown housing, unpaved streets and real dives to get drunk in.

Obviously the ONE black guy wasn't responsible for all that...LOL!

Going from lily-white coastal Oregon into the USAF in 1974, I got to meet plenty of blacks, Hispanics and a few others. I never had any problems with them. About the only difference I could spot other than the obvious one of skin color was one of slang. Just like us whites, they liked a good car, a good stereo, a good time and a good lady! They struck me as "regular folks" in their ways.

Today Coos County still has the same kind of problems and there are just a few more black people, who have done nothing to cause them. The nearly-lily white county I live in has a BLACK sheriff and he's been re-elected even when the weekly neocon rag came out against him. A funny thing about that neocon fishwrap is that the owner took a black lady to a fancy seafood place, where treatment was bad, so he wrote about the perceived racism in a front page article. Even the rightwingnuts here aren't all that racist...LOL!

Now I have seen what things look like down South. The first time was summer 1974 in Biloxi when I was in tech training at Keesler AFB and the second time was from summer 1996 to early 1999 in Louisiana. The time at Keesler was short so not much was seen but my one story from that time was about a poor black guy who owned a beater cab he called Soul Cab. Now my sympathies are with anyone struggling to make a living and it was with sadness that as I was walking out one of the gates of the base that I saw his beater being towed away after a wreck.

In Louisiana I saw the white kids keep to themselves as did the black kids in various parking lots where they congregated. At the football games at SE Louisiana State's stadium, which at the time had no program so Hammond's Tornadoes played there, the crowd self-segregated. On the bathroom floor, little black kids were playing dice games for money...LOL!

In the city of Hammond, you saw a gorgeous city entrance and signs announcing it was an award-winning city for it's cleanliness. Guess who kept the city clean? Black inmates. You rarely saw a white inmate despite the area being 50/50 for black/white. The black neighborhoods were trashed out in the extreme and that is where those inmates should have been working!

Hallowe'en was the scariest time. Why? Not a SINGLE trick or treater was out anywhere. The street drug dealers owned the streets. The cops worked with some of them as informants and even the police chief said that 99% of his cleared crimes were solved due to informants. The starting salary in the late 1990's for a Hammond city cop was all of $1000 a month, which does not buy a truly professional law enforcement person. Is it any wonder the streets were a jungle?

People were overly polite but you knew that it masked a lot of stuff. The unsaid code of social segregation was just as powerful as the former Jim Crow system of laws. David Duke drew 20% of the white vote during a campaign when I was down there, so it's not like a majority of whites support racist policies. The blacks who are socially conservative hard-working church-going Baptists have more in common with the whites of the rural Midwest than they do with the thug culture by a long ways but they can't do much in the social setting or take a stand due to the violence wrought by the criminal element.

Government corruption and ineptitude is legendary in Louisiana and that just adds to the mess. Former governor Edwin Edwards was convicted for his role in working with former 49er owner Eddie DeBartolo to help him get a casino setup while I was there. Two white guys running for sheriff in a podunk parish got into it so bad that murder threats were made and one of them was jailed. The mayor of New Orleans was black and he presided over a city with a terrifically high murder rate and a dysfunctional government. Big city or rural countryside, black or white, nothing worked well when it came to government in Louisiana.

Until justice is seen as equitable, until effective measures are put into place that deal with the problems with effective leaders to implement them, until people face up to what's going on, the rot of racism will continue to drag down this nation.

A historical point: Blacks were slaves because the Indians and whites used early on died off when subjected to the harsh physical conditions in the sugar plantations and precious metals mines. Blacks were enslaved by blacks in the interior of Africa and sold to slave traders. Then those who were caught by the stronger enslaving blacks had to survive a long overseas voyage under horrendous conditions. If they made it that far, then they had to find a way to hang in there while being used as hard labor. The lucky ones were able to breed and they had to deal with this level of living from the 1500's to the 1800's before slavery ended.

Yet somehow they survived and hung in there as a people. They're a TOUGH and RESILIENT people. Do they have their problems as a group? Sure, but as was shown by the little story of my childhood in Coos Bay, they are not the root of all evil. Kill them all off and all you'll see is a world full of white people screwing it up royally...LOL! Bad people like good people come in all colors, shapes, sizes, religions and ****** orientations. Look at the individual as a person instead of seeing their accident-of-birth skin pigmentation. One time I read a sci-fi story in which some prankster came up with a virus that turned all black people white and all white people black. Talk about a really funny predicament...LOL!

Rick

 
All Jokes and Bullshit aside. The sooner we take the responsibilty of treating people like people and judge people as individuals instead part of a race and classing based on color. The better off we will all be. Let someones individual actions and mannerism speak for who they are. None of us chose what color or nationality we were born as. Its the ****ing cards your dealt, you play the hand and make the most of it. 2 kinds of people in this world, The people that go out and get what they want, and everybody else that has an excuse why they can't.

It is very easy for someone to sit around and feel sorry for themself and blame everything and everyone for the lack of money or oportunity or whatever they claim is holding them back. I hear this shit an d I feel the need to slap person saying it. If you are of age to work and have a able body there is no reason why you cannot support yourself or your family. People Immigrate to this country for the oportunity to work for subpar wages and no benefits because it is a lot better than where they came from. All the while we have sorry ***** that are content with living on handouts and goverment assistance. And they all have a sorry *** excuse.
I disagree. The only real solution is to kill all the white people.

 
im a meat cutter at a grocery store and i work with one other cutter. his family came into the store to buy groceries, he and his wife talked a little bit and while they were walking away his little girl says "mom, can we get some grape pop? i love grape pop..." i laughed quietly to myself.

 
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Growing up in Coos Bay OR, we had ONE black person. He ran a shoeshine stand.
With ONE black person here, we were beset by alcoholism, child abuse, a high vocational death rate, tons of property crime and we had no shortage of rundown housing, unpaved streets and real dives to get drunk in.

Obviously the ONE black guy wasn't responsible for all that...LOL!

Going from lily-white coastal Oregon into the USAF in 1974, I got to meet plenty of blacks, Hispanics and a few others. I never had any problems with them. About the only difference I could spot other than the obvious one of skin color was one of slang. Just like us whites, they liked a good car, a good stereo, a good time and a good lady! They struck me as "regular folks" in their ways.

Today Coos County still has the same kind of problems and there are just a few more black people, who have done nothing to cause them. The nearly-lily white county I live in has a BLACK sheriff and he's been re-elected even when the weekly neocon rag came out against him. A funny thing about that neocon fishwrap is that the owner took a black lady to a fancy seafood place, where treatment was bad, so he wrote about the perceived racism in a front page article. Even the rightwingnuts here aren't all that racist...LOL!

Now I have seen what things look like down South. The first time was summer 1974 in Biloxi when I was in tech training at Keesler AFB and the second time was from summer 1996 to early 1999 in Louisiana. The time at Keesler was short so not much was seen but my one story from that time was about a poor black guy who owned a beater cab he called Soul Cab. Now my sympathies are with anyone struggling to make a living and it was with sadness that as I was walking out one of the gates of the base that I saw his beater being towed away after a wreck.

In Louisiana I saw the white kids keep to themselves as did the black kids in various parking lots where they congregated. At the football games at SE Louisiana State's stadium, which at the time had no program so Hammond's Tornadoes played there, the crowd self-segregated. On the bathroom floor, little black kids were playing dice games for money...LOL!

In the city of Hammond, you saw a gorgeous city entrance and signs announcing it was an award-winning city for it's cleanliness. Guess who kept the city clean? Black inmates. You rarely saw a white inmate despite the area being 50/50 for black/white. The black neighborhoods were trashed out in the extreme and that is where those inmates should have been working!

Hallowe'en was the scariest time. Why? Not a SINGLE trick or treater was out anywhere. The street drug dealers owned the streets. The cops worked with some of them as informants and even the police chief said that 99% of his cleared crimes were solved due to informants. The starting salary in the late 1990's for a Hammond city cop was all of $1000 a month, which does not buy a truly professional law enforcement person. Is it any wonder the streets were a jungle?

People were overly polite but you knew that it masked a lot of stuff. The unsaid code of social segregation was just as powerful as the former Jim Crow system of laws. David Duke drew 20% of the white vote during a campaign when I was down there, so it's not like a majority of whites support racist policies. The blacks who are socially conservative hard-working church-going Baptists have more in common with the whites of the rural Midwest than they do with the thug culture by a long ways but they can't do much in the social setting or take a stand due to the violence wrought by the criminal element.

Government corruption and ineptitude is legendary in Louisiana and that just adds to the mess. Former governor Edwin Edwards was convicted for his role in working with former 49er owner Eddie DeBartolo to help him get a casino setup while I was there. Two white guys running for sheriff in a podunk parish got into it so bad that murder threats were made and one of them was jailed. The mayor of New Orleans was black and he presided over a city with a terrifically high murder rate and a dysfunctional government. Big city or rural countryside, black or white, nothing worked well when it came to government in Louisiana.

Until justice is seen as equitable, until effective measures are put into place that deal with the problems with effective leaders to implement them, until people face up to what's going on, the rot of racism will continue to drag down this nation.

A historical point: Blacks were slaves because the Indians and whites used early on died off when subjected to the harsh physical conditions in the sugar plantations and precious metals mines. Blacks were enslaved by blacks in the interior of Africa and sold to slave traders. Then those who were caught by the stronger enslaving blacks had to survive a long overseas voyage under horrendous conditions. If they made it that far, then they had to find a way to hang in there while being used as hard labor. The lucky ones were able to breed and they had to deal with this level of living from the 1500's to the 1800's before slavery ended.

Yet somehow they survived and hung in there as a people. They're a TOUGH and RESILIENT people. Do they have their problems as a group? Sure, but as was shown by the little story of my childhood in Coos Bay, they are not the root of all evil. Kill them all off and all you'll see is a world full of white people screwing it up royally...LOL! Bad people like good people come in all colors, shapes, sizes, religions and ****** orientations. Look at the individual as a person instead of seeing their accident-of-birth skin pigmentation. One time I read a sci-fi story in which some prankster came up with a virus that turned all black people white and all white people black. Talk about a really funny predicament...LOL!

Rick
 
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