"You Black People Were Lucky To Be Our Slaves"-Patrick Buchanan

[tsenfw 10+ year member]

The data is there, just too time consuming to research for free.
One might posit the question as follows:

Is there a structural shift in the number of patents granted after the instution of slavery in America?

Furthermore, I think the effect slavery had on innovation is a perfectly legitamate topic for discussion.

Concerning wealth, we were not discussing the merits of owning slaves as increasing wealth, we were discussing did it afford slave owners (and other benefactors) time to invent. I argue that they sat on their *****, he argues the used this time for intellectual growth. How and where would the find this cheap labor? Early experimentation of the slavery of Native Americans proved they were unfit for hard slave labor? Enslave other whites...hard to do very long...the fact that blacks are "different" provides some legitamacy to the institution.

Hmm yeah patent numbers is a good start. I didn't say the discussion was illegitabmate, just that you guys were taking liberties with your assumptions.

I wasn't referring to the merits of owning slaves as increasing wealth, I am directly addressing the time saving to slave owners. Basically, I believe they would have been sitting on their ***** anyways. In what way would slaves make more time for the wealthy? Would these owners have been working in the fields themselves if they didn't have slaves? Hell no! lol. They would have hired more expensive but still "cheap" labor. It's not like most of the people of the time in America were wealthy. Look it the shitty pay that came later in time to US factory workers. There was abundant cheap labor in the US, just not as cheap as slave labor.

So without slave labor the wealthy wouldn't have been as wealthy but they certainly wouldn't have been doing any manual labor themselves.

 

[IamDeMan 5,000+ posts]

Hmm yeah patent numbers is a good start. I didn't say the discussion was illegitabmate, just that you guys were taking liberties with your assumptions.
I wasn't referring to the merits of owning slaves as increasing wealth, I am directly addressing the time saving to slave owners. Basically, I believe they would have been sitting on their ***** anyways. In what way would slaves make more time for the wealthy? Would these owners have been working in the fields themselves if they didn't have slaves? Hell no! lol. They would have hired more expensive but still "cheap" labor. It's not like most of the people of the time in America were wealthy. Look it the shitty pay that came later in time to US factory workers. There was abundant cheap labor in the US, just not as cheap as slave labor.

So without slave labor the wealth wouldn't have been as wealthy but they certainly wouldn't have been doing any manual labor themselves.

This is just the type of coherent and intellectual babble that will cause this forum to come to one boring *** screeching halt.

STOP

 

[tsenfw 10+ year member]

I wouldn't say time is a moot point, more that its only one factor in a much bigger picture. Slave-based businesses had great prophet margins because the lowest level of work essentially free. There was an initial payment for the slaves (like we pay for equipment today) and nothing else, just some scheduled maintenance in the form of food. When a business makes big prophets, they stick to what they're doing, they don't rock the boat until the prophets go down. These places were building capital so the money was there to do other things with their time. Young lads were afforded the opportunity to go to school and educate themselves. Education produced great thought and ideas leading to great innovations in all walks of life. So its a chain of events. If the slave-based businesses weren't making any money, nobody would have done them. Or if the prophet margins weren't high enough, they would not have wanted to supply the demand and (as we see now with walmart) the demand would have had to have been supplied somewhere other than america. But since the prophet margins were so high, the americans as a society were able to bring a lot of money into this country.

Good points.

I don't think slavery was basically free, there was the initial cost of purchase, clothing, shelter, food, and workers to oversee them. Of course far cheaper than anything else at the time but still not free.

I would think the children of the wealthy would go to school regardless. But then again I'm just assuming. Wonder what the average wealth of slave owners of the time was. Definitely something to think about. Also, wonder what the statistics are on inventors. I was under the impression that inventors were more typically found in the working class rather than the wealthy.

 

[xhilr8n 10+ year member]

no, im saying if i was stuck in a place like that since birth, i dont think i would be any different. i would probably steal, sell drugs and all that shit to actually have something i could call mine. whether it be hooptie or the months rent. i agree with flips comments here. yes there are opportunities, but if you dont know about them, its as if there never were.

That just brings up another point, i know people who aren't racist, however they don't like ignorance or people who are willingly ignorant because it is easier. I would say i fall into that class. Anyone who treats me with respect, especially someone who is well read/spoken, i show the same respect. That goes the other way around also though.

Jason

 

[Dozy_production 10+ year member]

Hmm yeah patent numbers is a good start. I didn't say the discussion was illegitabmate, just that you guys were taking liberties with your assumptions.
They would have hired more expensive but still "cheap" labor.

You mean indentured servants? Does anyone remember US history?

 

[bigollie006 10+ year member]

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thats ****ing stupid do they even know that white and mexican peopl use all those just so the can stay off the streets for the night and im sure the could have brought black people over to america and made it a better place for both blacks and whites without the slavery have you forgoten all the hangings and beatings that the white people in the early days put opon black people so how can forceing them to work for them and beating them all day abusing them and killing them for no reason justify for bringing them to this country?//content.invisioncic.com/y282845/emoticons/confused.gif.e820e0216602db4765798ac39d28caa9.gif

Everyone uses the system, more black than anybody else though. Slavery was a crutial part of the developement of the United States, without it we wouldnt be where we are today. As bad as it was it was in the best interest of the country at the time. All throughout civilization slaves have been used to build empires, this is just another chapter in the history books.

Also they usually didnt kill them for no reason, they were rednecks

 

[05F150SuperCrew 10+ year member]

Bring back the racists because this thread got way too technical too fast. In fact just lock it.

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