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[wolfey 10+ year member]

They aren't telling anyone they can't buy them there. I just found out today that those were actually a used set somone traded in for store credit. Which is perfectly legal by the way.

that is just plain stupid.. You continue to make less and less sense. You are just digging yourself into a deeper hole with your completely stupid lies"I heard kodas and they are not as good as mbq's".."ok i lied". "they are an unauthorized dealer.." " I never said they were a dealer". then you go trying to explain how you didnt lie.. you are a very poor liar.. dont tell them you lied then try to explain how you didnt lie at least.. better yet, just quit being an idiotic liar and be honest with us all.

if you havent heard something and you know very little to nothing about it, dont comment on it.. you obviously havent heard kodas so dont say that mbq's are better. If you like MB quarts tell the guy that and explain what you like about them, no need to say they are better than something you dont know about.. would you be happy if we all agreed that you have the best system as the world, because its obvious you sure think so.. you ought to take it to some competitions and see how it does.. then you'll find out exactly what other people think.. and maybe it is good, i wouldnt be surprised if it was, but just cus its good doesnt mean its better than everything else.

 

[jlaine 10+ year member]

Originally posted by joshpoints What you can do, and some people do do, is buy their old units (that are about to be replaced) from an authorized seller and then you can sell them for cheap. So Adire isn't really losing money off of these unauthorized sellers, because the units were originally bought at full price. You may say that Adire lost money because the other company that bought them at below MSRP should have paid full price. But the response to that is, the unauthorized dealer probably wouldn't have bought them from MSRP because they weren't willing to pay full price. So at least the sale of the Adire in an unauthorized way got their name out to the person that bought the Adire set and this person through word of mouth will tell others who may buy Adire. It's all in theory though. Both your side and my side are possible outcomes.

 

 

Still you got hosed Tommy, you got hosed. (I love this statement don't take it personal, it's just that wonderbreads screen character reminds of the mountain due commercial...)

Look... In all seriousness...

There are very few 'clearing out' discounts given from adire, and when they are, they are offered to the general public as well as the dealers, but there are still no possible openings to undercut the dealer chain.

There are no unauthorized sales from adire, period. Every invoice, every order, every time, goes through them, no matter what. Every product going out is either sold to a authorized dealer at dealer cost, or to an end user at end user cost... There is no hidden supply chain.

If an authorized dealer is selling beneath their set limits which is on the dealer price sheet, they are in violation of their contract and thusly are in a position to be removed from dealership status, that is how Adire runs things. They keep a good reign on the supply line because that's how you know what your products are doing and how well they are doing - and it keeps growth controlled and steady, instead of a potential influx and swell of orders, and then a sudden backlash when demand is peaked.

Yours is theory, mine is the brunt reality of it. One is a thought, the other happens because it's controlled that way.

 

[joshpoints 10+ year member]

Originally posted by jlaine Look... In all seriousness...

 

There are very few 'clearing out' discounts given from adire, and when they are, they are offered to the general public as well as the dealers, but there are still no possible openings to undercut the dealer chain.

 

There are no unauthorized sales from adire, period. Every invoice, every order, every time, goes through them, no matter what. Every product going out is either sold to a authorized dealer at dealer cost, or to an end user at end user cost... There is no hidden supply chain.

 

If an authorized dealer is selling beneath their set limits which is on the dealer price sheet, they are in violation of their contract and thusly are in a position to be removed from dealership status, that is how Adire runs things. They keep a good reign on the supply line because that's how you know what your products are doing and how well they are doing - and it keeps growth controlled and steady, instead of a potential influx and swell of orders, and then a sudden backlash when demand is peaked.

 

Yours is theory, mine is the brunt reality of it. One is a thought, the other happens because it's controlled that way.

I'm not talking about the way Adire's warehouse works, I'm talking from a business stand point. I hear what you're saying. My point is, it's not Adire that is selling old models at a discount to unauthorized dealers, as it is dealers, selling to unauthorized dealers. I'm also talking about how this works in industry in general. It doesn't just happen to Adire it happens to all companies. Can you get me a copy of that contract sheet?

You got hosed Tommy, you got hosed.

 

[paikiah 5,000+ posts]

Originally posted by joshpoints I'm not talking about the way Adire's warehouse works, I'm talking from a business stand point. I hear what you're saying. My point is, it's not Adire that is selling old models at a discount to unauthorized dealers, as it is dealers, selling to unauthorized dealers. I'm also talking about how this works in industry in general. It doesn't just happen to Adire it happens to all companies. Can you get me a copy of that contract sheet?

 

 

 

You got hosed Tommy, you got hosed.

josh, I think you've been hosed constantly so far... how this industry works in general. Either you've been a dealer/distributor for quite some time, or you've only based your claims on rumours.

The business stand point of things, I still think you're wrong to accuse dealers, such as jlaine, to carry out fradulent sales. The profits of that outcome is simply not worth risking losing dealership status. Jlaine won't show his contract to you.

To see you ask about the contract alone is enough to tell me that you don't know much about business. Me? I've run my own business since a young age, made quite a bit of money. I think I know a thing or two about international business. I've worked with my uncles ever since I came back to Korea. He deals in PA distribution. He won't show his contract to you.

Now, I'm about to embark on another business, and there's no way I'd be showing my contract to you.

Happens to all companies? Hmmm, I don't think you know half the story. I'd say even Jlaine will admit not knowing all of how this sort of industry runs. No one knows it all. You're just giving this industry's manufacturer, distributor, and dealers a bad name.

get the pic? bottom line, admit defeat. Or just don't post about this point anymore.

you got hosed, josh. You got hosed. //content.invisioncic.com/y282845/emoticons/wink.gif.608e3ea05f1a9f98611af0861652f8fb.gif

 

[MTXTANT 10+ year member]

Originally posted by wolfey that is just plain stupid.. You continue to make less and less sense. You are just digging yourself into a deeper hole with your completely stupid lies"I heard kodas and they are not as good as mbq's".."ok i lied". "they are an unauthorized dealer.." " I never said they were a dealer". then you go trying to explain how you didnt lie.. you are a very poor liar.. dont tell them you lied then try to explain how you didnt lie at least.. better yet, just quit being an idiotic liar and be honest with us all.

 

if you havent heard something and you know very little to nothing about it, dont comment on it.. you obviously havent heard kodas so dont say that mbq's are better. If you like MB quarts tell the guy that and explain what you like about them, no need to say they are better than something you dont know about.. would you be happy if we all agreed that you have the best system as the world, because its obvious you sure think so.. you ought to take it to some competitions and see how it does.. then you'll find out exactly what other people think.. and maybe it is good, i wouldnt be surprised if it was, but just cus its good doesnt mean its better than everything else.

Look man, I thought this whole thing was over but apparently its not over for you. I HAVE heard Kodas and I liked Quarts better. I didn't lie.....nor do I give a rats *** if you think that or not. I, by no means, think my system is better than anyone elses. I wouldn't have posted what I posted without knowing something about it. Because that would be uneducated information. So please let this die. I don't want to argue. Leave it alone and purchase a life but make sure its from an authorized dealer.

-peace

 

[ss3079 5,000+ posts]

I dont see how Josh got "hosed"...Im sticking with his arguement right now, it only seems correct.

- Steve

 

[paikiah 5,000+ posts]

Originally posted by ss3079 I dont see how Josh got "hosed"...Im sticking with his arguement right now, it only seems correct.

 

- Steve

erm, joshpoints, not josh jlaine.

 

[ss3079 5,000+ posts]

Originally posted by paikiah erm, joshpoints, not josh jlaine.

Oh...sam ting //content.invisioncic.com/y282845/emoticons/biggrin.gif.d71a5d36fcbab170f2364c9f2e3946cb.gif

- Steve

 

[joshpoints 10+ year member]

Originally posted by jlaine Look... In all seriousness...

 

There are very few 'clearing out' discounts given from adire, and when they are, they are offered to the general public as well as the dealers, but there are still no possible openings to undercut the dealer chain.

 

There are no unauthorized sales from adire, period. Every invoice, every order, every time, goes through them, no matter what. Every product going out is either sold to a authorized dealer at dealer cost, or to an end user at end user cost... There is no hidden supply chain.

 

If an authorized dealer is selling beneath their set limits which is on the dealer price sheet, they are in violation of their contract and thusly are in a position to be removed from dealership status, that is how Adire runs things. They keep a good reign on the supply line because that's how you know what your products are doing and how well they are doing - and it keeps growth controlled and steady, instead of a potential influx and swell of orders, and then a sudden backlash when demand is peaked.

 

Yours is theory, mine is the brunt reality of it. One is a thought, the other happens because it's controlled that way.

Actually mine is reality too. We don't live in a perfect world. Look at illegal downloads of music. How do the downloads become available before a cd is released. Easy, someone rleases the music onto sites like Kazza early. Companies can try as hard as they want to eliminate the illegal activity, but it will still come through.

Ahh, almost forgot my line.

You got hosed Tommy, you got hosed.

 

[wolfey 10+ year member]

personally i think Josh has some realistic advice, at the same time however i do know that many manufacturers highly discourage unauthorized sales of products. I have to assume however that many let this type of thing occur and do not want to spend the money to try and change the fact that people are selling without authorization.. I know a reseller who in the past had sold lots car audio stuff on the internet without being internet authorized.. Rockford fosgate recently caught him and is in the process of sueing him and they has revoked his line of credit. Other companies such as planet audio have caught him also and he had to beg for them to not reject his line.. Since then he doesnt sell anything unauthorized anymore and he's told me a lot about how the industry works.. I think the fact remains though that these big companies have trouble keeping tabs on all of there dealers/distributors.. And having people sell on ebay and what not doesnt totally hurt them, the name and the products get out to many people who otherwise wouldnt be able to get the product do to location or price range.. Its seems like a pretty complex industry with the internet and price wars, its not the same as it was 5 years ago where you had to go to circuit city or an audio store. Read this :

http://www.lightav.com/subpages/rules.html

it is a vit outdated as he wrote it like 2 years ago i think, but its got some interesting things.. many of which you may already know though.

 

[azngurlbaybee 10+ year member]

Originally posted by joshpoints Actually mine is reality too. We don't live in a perfect world. Look at illegal downloads of music. How do the downloads become available before a cd is released. Easy, someone rleases the music onto sites like Kazza early. Companies can try as hard as they want to eliminate the illegal activity, but it will still come through.

Wow, that's totally unrelated. You really are fishing for ways to dig yourself out of your hole now, aren't you? //content.invisioncic.com/y282845/emoticons/smile.gif.1ebc41e1811405b213edfc4622c41e27.gif

 

[paikiah 5,000+ posts]

Originally posted by azngurlbaybee Wow, that's totally unrelated. You really are fishing for ways to dig yourself out of your hole now, aren't you? //content.invisioncic.com/y282845/emoticons/smile.gif.1ebc41e1811405b213edfc4622c41e27.gif

hey, getting closer to the magical 200 posts soon..//content.invisioncic.com/y282845/emoticons/wink.gif.608e3ea05f1a9f98611af0861652f8fb.gif

congrats, congrats

btw, you're up really late

 

[azngurlbaybee 10+ year member]

It's barely midnite here //content.invisioncic.com/y282845/emoticons/crazy.gif.c13912c32de98515d3142759a824dae7.gif

 

[paikiah 5,000+ posts]

Originally posted by azngurlbaybee It's barely midnite here //content.invisioncic.com/y282845/emoticons/crazy.gif.c13912c32de98515d3142759a824dae7.gif

it's 4:22p.m. over here...

think it's over 3a.m. in the east coast...

anyway, today's forum's like a ghost town...

3 members, 0 guests.. never seen such low numbers...

 

[neonak 10+ year member]

octane-r 6.5 compo, 175 $ in local store.. unmatched (personally would rate them equally to boston rally)