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[joshpoints 10+ year member]

Originally posted by snova031 Eclipse has 0 online authorized dealers. Period.

That doesn't mean that their stuff isn't sold online.

 

[ss3079 5,000+ posts]

Originally posted by joshpoints That doesn't mean that their stuff isn't sold online.

I sure as hell wouldnt buy it online, considering there are no authorized dealers.

- Steve

 

[azngurlbaybee 10+ year member]

Originally posted by joshpoints That doesn't mean that their stuff isn't sold online.

I'm sure they mind when it happens though

 

[bass_mekanik 10+ year member]

most ppl prolly won't know these splits but Alpine SPR-175A's i reckon that these are one solit speaker and can go deep as in my install deeper than most speakers that i have heard

 

[paikiah 5,000+ posts]

Originally posted by azngurlbaybee I'm sure they mind when it happens though

places like ikesound and etronics, I dont' think they are authorized dealers for all their products. That's why they don't come with a factory warranty. I don't know how much that counts in the US, but with no after sales servicing, it'd be very hard to get consumers to make purchase.

It actually happens so often in Korea that even Sony Korea will refuse to service anything that is bought outside the country. The worst that I have dealt with is rockford. The distributor refuses to even lay hands on it if it is not from their company, even though I bought it at full retail prices from an authorised dealer in another country. Sux...

Lucky for me, I know quite a few amazing repair shops and manufacturers who help me out when I need to for free, Not everyone gets that kind of opportunity and I think it is very unfair to get turned down by another dealer in another part of the world.

If it wasn't for unauthorised sales, this problem would not even exist.

 

[joshpoints 10+ year member]

Originally posted by azngurlbaybee I'm sure they mind when it happens though

THis goes back to my prior statements.

Advatages for manufacturer when some unauthorized sales occur.

1. No warranty support

2. Will spread their old products that are cheap that people can afford which will increase popularity and people that can afford their new products will probably purchase from an authorized dealer.

Disadvantages

1. Some feel that it will cause a loss in profit from companies purchasing unauthorized products that are old.

 

[paikiah 5,000+ posts]

Originally posted by joshpoints THis goes back to my prior statements.

 

Advatages for manufacturer when some unauthorized sales occur.

1. No warranty support

2. Will spread their old products that are cheap that people can afford which will increase popularity and people that can afford their new products will probably purchase from an authorized dealer.

 

 

 

Disadvantages

1. Some feel that it will cause a loss in profit from companies purchasing unauthorized products that are old.

I think you got number 2 wrong. Corporations practice what is commonly found in other electronic industries, and that is to kill their own "offspring". THey will NOT be happy that someone got an older cheaper version of their product. If this were true, Intel would still be in the P3 level.

If a person buys an older cheaper version, the company has lost a potential customer's ability to purchase a newer version.

A DEALER might be happy to move his stock so that their yearly quota will be filled, but even then, dealers must retail their products at the minimum price given by the mftr/distributor.

 

[joshpoints 10+ year member]

Originally posted by paikiah I think you got number 2 wrong. Corporations practice what is commonly found in other electronic industries, and that is to kill their own "offspring". THey will NOT be happy that someone got an older cheaper version of their product. If this were true, Intel would still be in the P3 level.

 

If a person buys an older cheaper version, the company has lost a potential customer's ability to purchase a newer version.

 

A DEALER might be happy to move his stock so that their yearly quota will be filled, but even then, dealers must retail their products at the minimum price given by the mftr/distributor.

My previous posts explained #2 further. A store must sell its old models before releasing new model, because if they don't they will be stuck with the old models. Stores can do this by selling the units to people at a discounted rate. Then these unauthorized people sell the old units. This situation allows people that don't have the money, to purchase their models, that would otherwise not have even tried out their products because of the price. This person is allowing the authorized dealer to get rid of their old products which allows the dealer to purchase the new products, with minimal loss allowing them to stay in business longer which increases the sales that the manufacturer has, because the authorized dealer is now able to stay in business. The P3 still exists. You can still buy it. People buy the p4 for the improved performance.

 

[paikiah 5,000+ posts]

Originally posted by joshpoints My previous posts explained #2 further. A store must sell its old models before releasing new model, because if they don't they will be stuck with the old models. Stores can do this by selling the units to people at a discounted rate. Then these unauthorized people sell the old units. This situation allows people that don't have the money, to purchase their models, that would otherwise not have even tried out their products because of the price. This person is allowing the authorized dealer to get rid of their old products which allows the dealer to purchase the new products, with minimal loss allowing them to stay in business longer which increases the sales that the manufacturer has, because the authorized dealer is now able to stay in business. The P3 still exists. You can still buy it. People buy the p4 for the improved performance.

Oh yes, the P3 still exists, but at what cost? The 8088 processors still exist. Do they still manufacture it? Nope. P3's would cost a bomb, if you care to go and check it out. Why don't they sell it to unknowing customers? Cause it will reduce the chances of them purchasing a newer model. Yes, people rather buy a P4 due to higher performance. But there is no problem running a lot of non-game related applications on a P3, even a P2.

Companies do not stay stagnant, they move ahead with new and improved products. Dumping old units and moving new ones are more cost effective than to try and sell the old ones, hoping the competition will slow down their R&D and mftring.

What you have described is from a normal person's view, and also describing small industries. Sony, Alpine, JVC, matsushita electronic, all of them are conglomerates, and they do not slow their production nor R&D. No dealer would want to lose their licence (it's not easy to acquire one) for a few measly bucks in profit. Unless the company gives authorisation, they are not even allowed to sell below set prices.

 

[joshpoints 10+ year member]

Originally posted by paikiah Oh yes, the P3 still exists, but at what cost? The 8088 processors still exist. Do they still manufacture it? Nope. P3's would cost a bomb, if you care to go and check it out. Why don't they sell it to unknowing customers? Cause it will reduce the chances of them purchasing a newer model. Yes, people rather buy a P4 due to higher performance. But there is no problem running a lot of non-game related applications on a P3, even a P2.

 

Companies do not stay stagnant, they move ahead with new and improved products. Dumping old units and moving new ones are more cost effective than to try and sell the old ones, hoping the competition will slow down their R&D and mftring.

 

What you have described is from a normal person's view, and also describing small industries. Sony, Alpine, JVC, matsushita electronic, all of them are conglomerates, and they do not slow their production nor R&D. No dealer would want to lose their licence (it's not easy to acquire one) for a few measly bucks in profit. Unless the company gives authorisation, they are not even allowed to sell below set prices.

The last time I checked P3's were pretty cheap. The manufacturers do not wait for old units to sell before releasing new ones this is true. My point was that companies try to get rid of their old units as fast as possible so that they can minimize their loss. I'm speakers of the authorized dealers, not the manufacturer. This is where the unauthorized people buy from.

 

[paikiah 5,000+ posts]

Originally posted by joshpoints The last time I checked P3's were pretty cheap. The manufacturers do not wait for old units to sell before releasing new ones this is true. My point was that companies try to get rid of their old units as fast as possible so that they can minimize their loss. I'm speakers of the authorized dealers, not the manufacturer. This is where the unauthorized people buy from.

And when was the last time you checked? I just checked Intel's authorised retailer, and it was about triple the prices of the P4. Not just cause it's rare, but Intel Corp. has assigned that price limit on the P3's. Again, killing their own offspring to pave the way for the stronger, better one to survive. I think you've checked your prices with an unauthorised dealer.

Dumping might be a loss (when they dump stock, some companies crush it physically) but it is no comparison to losing out on sales of new units. If it was a small mftr, it might not be ture, but when you're dealing several billions, dumping is the right way to go. They will discourage buyers from purchasing their remaining older units.

 

[joshpoints 10+ year member]

Originally posted by paikiah And when was the last time you checked? I just checked Intel's authorised retailer, and it was about triple the prices of the P4. Not just cause it's rare, but Intel Corp. has assigned that price limit on the P3's. Again, killing their own offspring to pave the way for the stronger, better one to survive. I think you've checked your prices with an unauthorised dealer.

 

Dumping might be a loss (when they dump stock, some companies crush it physically) but it is no comparison to losing out on sales of new units. If it was a small mftr, it might not be ture, but when you're dealing several billions, dumping is the right way to go. They will discourage buyers from purchasing their remaining older units.

You can get an 800 mhz P3 for $68.00.

 

[jlaine 10+ year member]

Originally posted by joshpoints Actually mine is reality too. We don't live in a perfect world. Look at illegal downloads of music. How do the downloads become available before a cd is released. Easy, someone rleases the music onto sites like Kazza early. Companies can try as hard as they want to eliminate the illegal activity, but it will still come through.

 

 

Ahh, almost forgot my line.

 

You got hosed Tommy, you got hosed.

Last time I'm taking this discussion with you as it's clearly not sinking in,

Your idea is wasted effort. You have no logical thought process in the supply chain that Adire has.

Adire is the central and only warehouse. There are no other warehouses to cheat by. There are no dealers that stock massive amounts to cheat with, if they get caught they get taken care of. It would take me all of 2 minutes to get the president of Adire back in here to repeat everything I'm saying, again, but there is no point to it. You can feel free to believe what you'd like, but the only way to start a unauthorized network is to have a crooked adire dealer, that's it.

On the matter of eclipse- the only thing they reign in on tight is online deck selling.

TRY to find a eclipse deck online, go for it.

 

[joshpoints 10+ year member]

Originally posted by jlaine Last time I'm taking this discussion with you as it's clearly not sinking in,

 

Your idea is wasted effort. You have no logical thought process in the supply chain that Adire has.

 

Adire is the central and only warehouse. There are no other warehouses to cheat by. There are no dealers that stock massive amounts to cheat with, if they get caught they get taken care of. It would take me all of 2 minutes to get the president of Adire back in here to repeat everything I'm saying, again, but there is no point to it. You can feel free to believe what you'd like, but the only way to start a unauthorized network is to have a crooked adire dealer, that's it.

 

On the matter of eclipse- the only thing they reign in on tight is online deck selling.

 

TRY to find a eclipse deck online, go for it.

I totally agree. But If you're eclipse if you are going to be tight on decks you might as well be tight on the rest of your equipment.

 

[Acid 10+ year member]

So what's the price of the focals and Koda's over in the US dollars? Any ideas.....As I will be working in asia for the next 2 years!!! and I would really like to get my hands on one of them!!! I have a few following questions!!!

(1) what amplifier would u pair them up with?

(2) I have a alpine F340, issit good enough?

(3) any recommendations for coaxial speakers? to go with the whole package?

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