PLEASE tell me hes wrong

[Crown_amps]

spkr man you got pm about the recipt i found it and have a pic

 

[azbass 5,000+ posts]

Installer schools dont tell you how things work, they tell you how to install them

eh wrong.

 

[Spkrman]

My eclipse doesnt clip at full volume....

neither does my kenwood.

with a song recorded at a low level, I *have* to go to full volume to get reasonable output... same with some talk radio.

Full volume/gain itself shouldn;t make any difference... as long as things arent being overdriven, and full gain/volume should still be within the range of what the amp/HU can do cleanly.

 

[thch 10+ year member]

Yup, Potts is actually 100% correct. The gain IS a volume knob. The volume knob is a gain. You can get a clipped signal by raising the gain too high for the source, you can get a clipped signal by raising the volume too high for the gain.
People just like to bash.

exactly. the difference is all in the order.

the HU (should) never clip. turn the amp's gains up and the signal from the HU should be fine. turn the HU volume all the way up and it should be fine (not counting other signal processing like EQs or highpass filters).

adjust the gains at the amp and the output will clip based upon the input.

because the volume knob can be safely adjusted, it is a good choice as a volume control.

because the gian knob cannot be safely adjusted and is based upon the input signal, it is not a good choice for volume control.

can you use it to control volume? sure. but you can easily run into issues with clipping. this can be an advantage if clipping (and associated compression) was a goal.

i'd be happy with 4V balenced as a standard. won't happen, its more expensive. still, it'd be nice.

its all perspective, but it seems most logical to use the source unit as a volume control and use the gains to allow the amp to take the source input and generate an appropriate output.

 

[Spkrman]

exactly. the difference is all in the order.
the HU (should) never clip. turn the amp's gains up and the signal from the HU should be fine. turn the HU volume all the way up and it should be fine (not counting other signal processing like EQs or highpass filters).

adjust the gains at the amp and the output will clip based upon the input.

because the volume knob can be safely adjusted, it is a good choice as a volume control.

because the gian knob cannot be safely adjusted and is based upon the input signal, it is not a good choice for volume control.

can you use it to control volume? sure. but you can easily run into issues with clipping. this can be an advantage if clipping (and associated compression) was a goal.

i'd be happy with 4V balenced as a standard. won't happen, its more expensive. still, it'd be nice.

its all perspective, but it seems most logical to use the source unit as a volume control and use the gains to allow the amp to take the source input and generate an appropriate output.

In most situations, sure.

But in my case, I can set the gain on the kicker as needed, and plug up the remove gain - remote gain 100% = where the gain on teh amp is... so I *can* "safely" use it as a volume control... and do //content.invisioncic.com/y282845/emoticons/naughty.gif.94359f346c0f1259df8038d60b41863e.gif

The discussion was not normal use, but definition.

 

[helotaxi 5,000+ posts]

eh wrong.

For 99% of the "schools" out there that is true. They teach you the basics of installing. They don't teach the theory behind how things work, only do this this way cause that's how it's done. There are exceptions but a basic installer certification means that you are certified to install basic stuff. A lot of the people in this thread claiming to be certified installers that have been arguing this and that only reinforce my point.

 

[Spkrman]

For 99% of the "schools" out there that is true. They teach you the basics of installing. They don't teach the theory behind how things work, only do this this way cause that's how it's done. There are exceptions but a basic installer certification means that you are certified to install basic stuff. A lot of the people in this thread claiming to be certified installers that have been arguing this and that only reinforce my point.

circuit city tells you underpowering kills da woofers //content.invisioncic.com/y282845/emoticons/cool.gif.3bcaf8f141236c00f8044d07150e34f7.gif

CC says it, gotta be true... which of course, certain employees will swear by that.

I smell a parrallel, but then again, it could just be italian beef.

 

[Eldorado 5,000+ posts]

neither does my kenwood.
with a song recorded at a low level, I *have* to go to full volume to get reasonable output... same with some talk radio.

Full volume/gain itself shouldn;t make any difference... as long as things arent being overdriven, and full gain/volume should still be within the range of what the amp/HU can do cleanly.

my post wasnt directed toward you putts

 

[Spkrman]

my post wasnt directed toward you putts

? Ther was no "direction" with mine... I was adding to what you said.

 

[Eldorado 5,000+ posts]

dont bother

 

[azbass 5,000+ posts]

For 99% of the "schools" out there that is true. They teach you the basics of installing. They don't teach the theory behind how things work, only do this this way cause that's how it's done. There are exceptions but a basic installer certification means that you are certified to install basic stuff. A lot of the people in this thread claiming to be certified installers that have been arguing this and that only reinforce my point.

not the school i went too. unless things were changed.

 

[Eldorado 5,000+ posts]

ITAILAN BEEF !

 

[Spkrman]

thats what im talkin about!

baba's @ 183rd and cicero... best gyro and italian beef... mmmmmmmmmmmmm

 

[Eugenics 5,000+ posts]

in the land of baskin robins, you are a month old vanilla stale icecream cone. this was the most boring argument ever. good job proving absolutly nothing putts

 

[Spkrman]

Yup, Potts is actually 100% correct. The gain IS a volume knob. The volume knob is a gain. You can get a clipped signal by raising the gain too high for the source, you can get a clipped signal by raising the volume too high for the gain.
People just like to bash.

right under the above post, very fitting //content.invisioncic.com/y282845/emoticons/cool.gif.3bcaf8f141236c00f8044d07150e34f7.gif

helotaxi does a great of explaining it... and "good job proving nothing putts"

ahhhh, the joys of ca.com